digitalmars.D - Web Programming in D
- Web Dev (14/14) Jun 21 2023 The D language is among the languages that I have been
The D language is among the languages that I have been interested in for a long time, and it is pleasing to see that there is an active community by following the forum for a while. As part of my job, I usually develop web software. There have been projects where I have used Python, PHP and recently Go for the backend. However, I recently thought of using the D language in web projects as well. When I look at the frameworks developed on the web, I see Hunt and Vibe.D options. I think Hunt is no longer in development but Vibe.D continues to be developed. Has anyone done a web project with Vibe.D before? What are the positive and negative aspects? Does it make sense to use the D language on the web for now?
Jun 21 2023
On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 06:15:47 UTC, Web Dev wrote:The D language is among the languages that I have been interested in for a long time, and it is pleasing to see that there is an active community by following the forum for a while. As part of my job, I usually develop web software. There have been projects where I have used Python, PHP and recently Go for the backend. However, I recently thought of using the D language in web projects as well. When I look at the frameworks developed on the web, I see Hunt and Vibe.D options. I think Hunt is no longer in development but Vibe.D continues to be developed. Has anyone done a web project with Vibe.D before? What are the positive and negative aspects? Does it make sense to use the D language on the web for now?As someone whose day job involves web development in Python and Java, at the current state-of-the-art for D web development libraries, I would probably not choose D for a web project; I say this even as someone who's developed their own HTTP server ([handy-httpd](https://github.com/andrewlalis/handy-httpd)). For hobbyist stuff, yeah, go right ahead. But if you're planning on investing time and money into a product, it just makes sense to go with something that has a lot more support, better documentation, better tooling, and so on. And at the moment, that would be Python + FastAPI, PHP + Laravel, Java + Spring, etc; I don't see any D library that is yet comparable to any of the popular language/framework combos. The issue is that in order to make D competitive in web programming, with the most bleeding-edge frameworks, we need a coordinated effort by tens or hundreds of contributors, and I just don't think that'll happen unless something spectacular happens in the coming months as the D language foundation reorganizes stuff.
Jun 22 2023
enzo <matrixenzo843 gmail.com> On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 08:04:03 UTC, Andrew wrote:On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 06:15:47 UTC, Web Dev wrote:Oh, you've ventured into the wild, wild west of web development with D, have you? Bravo for treading where the tumbleweeds of documentation roll freely and the saloons of support are few and far between! Crafting your own HTTP server is no small feat; it’s like being a blacksmith in an age of 3D printers. Quite the hobbyist hero, aren't you? Indeed, when it comes to the bustling metropolises of [web development](https://vardaam.com/hire-dedicated-web-developers/), where the buildings (frameworks) are tall and the streets (documentation) are well-paved, Python + FastAPI, PHP + Laravel, and Java + Spring are like the New York, Paris, and Tokyo of the web world. They've got the infrastructure, the crowds, and the bright lights. Meanwhile, D is more like a charming little village on the frontier—beautiful in its own right but not quite the place for building skyscrapers... yet. It's a tall order to marshal a legion of developers to bring D up to the cutting-edge of web development, akin to asking a group of cowboys to build a space station with nothing but their lassos and grit. But who knows? With the D language foundation stirring the pot, perhaps we're on the brink of witnessing a spectacular gold rush in the land of D. Until then, keep your server spurs shiny, and may your code compile faster than a gunslinger's draw!The D language is among the languages that I have been interested in for a long time, and it is pleasing to see that there is an active community by following the forum for a while. As part of my job, I usually develop web software. There have been projects where I have used Python, PHP and recently Go for the backend. However, I recently thought of using the D language in web projects as well. When I look at the frameworks developed on the web, I see Hunt and Vibe.D options. I think Hunt is no longer in development but Vibe.D continues to be developed. Has anyone done a web project with Vibe.D before? What are the positive and negative aspects? Does it make sense to use the D language on the web for now?As someone whose day job involves web development in Python and Java, at the current state-of-the-art for D web development libraries, I would probably not choose D for a web project; I say this even as someone who's developed their own HTTP server ([handy-httpd](https://github.com/andrewlalis/handy-httpd)). For hobbyist stuff, yeah, go right ahead. But if you're planning on investing time and money into a product, it just makes sense to go with something that has a lot more support, better documentation, better tooling, and so on. And at the moment, that would be Python + FastAPI, PHP + Laravel, Java + Spring, etc; I don't see any D library that is yet comparable to any of the popular language/framework combos. The issue is that in order to make D competitive in web programming, with the most bleeding-edge frameworks, we need a coordinated effort by tens or hundreds of contributors, and I just don't think that'll happen unless something spectacular happens in the coming months as the D language foundation reorganizes stuff.
Feb 06
On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 06:15:47 UTC, Web Dev wrote:I think Hunt is no longer in development but Vibe.D continues to be developed.It seems that Hunt is dead yes.Has anyone done a web project with Vibe.D before? What are the positive and negative aspects?Some people are using D for web projects. For example this one looks nice: https://myst.rs/ Mostly you have 2 frameworks with many features: * Vibe.d * Arsd CGI Vibe has many integrations with different packages (oauth, oneapi, graphql). CGI is the fastest (at least in benchmarks). If you need simpler solution (just a server): * handy * serverino * lighttp (not maintained, but still worked)Does it make sense to use the D language on the web for now?Like there is no any sense to use D in general, not specifically in web. But if you like D, you can use it for web as well. For production I think it is save to choose Go. I think current level of D frameworks won't provide any "killer features" compare to other popular solutions and have more cons (lack of users, documentation, adoption for deployment, etc) than pros (D is fun and great for your hobby project). But you can try it for something simple and see if it works for you :)
Feb 06