• Bill Baxter (3/3) Dec 19 2006 Almost a week and no posts. Hope you're doing OK there. Must have been...
• BCS (4/8) Dec 19 2006 I hope he is just to busy slaughtering bugs and adjusting features. 1.0
• Brad Roberts (6/10) Dec 19 2006 I haven't talked with Walter, but I do know that his area of town is sti...
• Chris Nicholson-Sauls (4/17) Dec 20 2006 Maybe with this in mind we should encourage pushing the D/1.0 release ou...
• BCS (3/9) Dec 20 2006 Jan 1 was a bit arbitrary to begin with. So unless W doesn't have power
• Chris Miller (7/15) Dec 21 2006 I'm perfectly fine with postponing the release date; releases are
• Dave (5/18) Dec 21 2006 Probably holed up in a ski lodge somewhere plugging away at 0.178 on a l...
• John Reimer (5/21) Dec 21 2006 He'd be smart man! I'm sure he would be much more productive because of...
• renoX (6/17) Dec 21 2006 Well without power, the battery would last only so long, so it's not so
• BCS (3/14) Dec 21 2006 IIRC Seattle doesn't have any ski lodges and most of the rest of the
• Walter Bright (15/18) Dec 22 2006 I often went out jogging and would stop and yak with the powerline
• Georg Wrede (12/18) Dec 23 2006 With a judicial system that espouses random transfers of fortunes (the
• Walter Bright (21/23) Dec 23 2006 The generators certainly do. Mine has a prominent sticker on it warning
• %Wolven (11/21) Dec 23 2006 Unfortunately, Mother Nature hasn't been pruning anywhere near fast enou...
• Georg Wrede (2/25) Dec 23 2006 Well, at least it was funnier than mine! :-)
• Burton Radons (32/54) Dec 23 2006 As far as I know warning signs have no effect on potential for
• Kevin Bealer (13/25) Dec 26 2006 That might be, but education is probably more to blame than IQ, and

Bill Baxter <wbaxter gmail.com> writes:

Almost a week and no posts.  Hope you're doing OK there.  Must have been 
quite a storm.

--bb

BCS <BCS pathilink.com> writes:

Bill Baxter wrote:
 Almost a week and no posts.  Hope you're doing OK there.  Must have been 
 quite a storm.
 
 --bb

I hope he is just to busy slaughtering bugs and adjusting features. 1.0 
is less than 2 weeks off <g>.

Yeah. I to hope he's OK.

Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, Bill Baxter wrote:

 Almost a week and no posts.  Hope you're doing OK there.  Must have been 
 quite a storm.
 
 --bb

I haven't talked with Walter, but I do know that his area of town is still 
without power.  The estimates I saw were for wednesday or thursday to get 
the high power lines repaired.

Later,
Brad

Chris Nicholson-Sauls <ibisbasenji gmail.com> writes:

Brad Roberts wrote:
 On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, Bill Baxter wrote:
 
 Almost a week and no posts.  Hope you're doing OK there.  Must have been 
 quite a storm.

 --bb

 
 I haven't talked with Walter, but I do know that his area of town is still 
 without power.  The estimates I saw were for wednesday or thursday to get 
 the high power lines repaired.
 
 Later,
 Brad

Maybe with this in mind we should encourage pushing the D/1.0 release out of
January and 
into February.  Hard to release something on time when you can't really work on
it.  :)

-- Chris Nicholson-Sauls

BCS <BCS pathilink.com> writes:

Chris Nicholson-Sauls wrote:
 
 Maybe with this in mind we should encourage pushing the D/1.0 release 
 out of January and into February.  Hard to release something on time 
 when you can't really work on it.  :)
 
 -- Chris Nicholson-Sauls

Jan 1 was a bit arbitrary to begin with. So unless W doesn't have power 
back by x-mas or later, I don't think it makes much difference.

"Chris Miller" <chris dprogramming.com> writes:

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:32:31 -0500, Chris Nicholson-Sauls  
<ibisbasenji gmail.com> wrote:

  I haven't talked with Walter, but I do know that his area of town is  
 still without power.  The estimates I saw were for wednesday or  
 thursday to get the high power lines repaired.
  Later,
 Brad

 Maybe with this in mind we should encourage pushing the D/1.0 release  
 out of January and into February.  Hard to release something on time  
 when you can't really work on it.  :)

I'm perfectly fine with postponing the release date; releases are  
postponed all the time. For those who wanted to get things done before 1.0  
but actually ran out of time would have a chance at it and now realize the  
actual time needed.

- Chris

Dave <Dave_member pathlink.com> writes:

Brad Roberts wrote:
 On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, Bill Baxter wrote:
 
 Almost a week and no posts.  Hope you're doing OK there.  Must have been 
 quite a storm.

 --bb

 
 I haven't talked with Walter, but I do know that his area of town is still 
 without power.  The estimates I saw were for wednesday or thursday to get 
 the high power lines repaired.
 
 Later,
 Brad

Probably holed up in a ski lodge somewhere plugging away at 0.178 on a laptop,
thinking "Ahhh, don't 
have to read those annoying 'personality suggestions' on digitalmars.D until
they get the power 
fixed" <g>

At least, I hope that's what it is anyhow :)

"John Reimer" <terminal.node gmail.com> writes:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:13:38 -0800, Dave <Dave_member pathlink.com> wrote:

 Brad Roberts wrote:
 On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, Bill Baxter wrote:

 Almost a week and no posts.  Hope you're doing OK there.  Must have  
 been quite a storm.

 --bb

  I haven't talked with Walter, but I do know that his area of town is  
 still without power.  The estimates I saw were for wednesday or  
 thursday to get the high power lines repaired.
  Later,
 Brad

 Probably holed up in a ski lodge somewhere plugging away at 0.178 on a  
 laptop, thinking "Ahhh, don't have to read those annoying 'personality  
 suggestions' on digitalmars.D until they get the power fixed" <g>

 At least, I hope that's what it is anyhow :)


He'd be smart man!  I'm sure he would be much more productive because of  
it.

:D

-JJR

renoX <renosky free.fr> writes:

John Reimer a écrit :
 On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:13:38 -0800, Dave <Dave_member pathlink.com> wrote:
 Brad Roberts wrote:


[cut]
 Probably holed up in a ski lodge somewhere plugging away at 0.178 on a 
 laptop, thinking "Ahhh, don't have to read those annoying 'personality 
 suggestions' on digitalmars.D until they get the power fixed" <g>

 At least, I hope that's what it is anyhow :)

 
 
 He'd be smart man!  I'm sure he would be much more productive because of 
 it.

Well without power, the battery would last only so long, so it's not so 
sure..
Maybe an OLPC would be useful ;-)

renoX

BCS <BCS pathilink.com> writes:

renoX wrote:
 John Reimer a écrit :
 On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:13:38 -0800, Dave <Dave_member pathlink.com> 
 wrote:
 Brad Roberts wrote:



 Probably holed up in a ski lodge somewhere 


 
 Well without power, the battery would last only so long, so it's not so 
 sure..
 Maybe an OLPC would be useful ;-)
 
 renoX

IIRC Seattle doesn't have any ski lodges and most of the rest of the 
north wast has power. <G>

Walter Bright <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

Brad Roberts wrote:
 I haven't talked with Walter, but I do know that his area of town is still 
 without power.  The estimates I saw were for wednesday or thursday to get 
 the high power lines repaired.

I often went out jogging and would stop and yak with the powerline 
repairmen. I learned a lot about how the high tension wires work that 
way. I wouldn't want their job, though, those guys worked 17 hours on, 7 
off, and they stay working till everyone is up. They said they'd be 
working through New Year's.

Fun fact: I asked them what they did about idiot homeowners who plugged 
generators into their home circuits, thus energizing the main power 
lines and putting the linemens' lives at risk. The guy laughed and said 
they clamped all the lines to ground before working on them, shorting 
out those generators. Serve's 'em right!

Not so fun fact: Numerous people died because they either brought their 
generator or charcoal grill inside. You'll poison yourself even running 
the generator in the garage with the garage door wide open. It got so 
bad that the newspaper ran front page headlines warning people about this.

Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> writes:

Walter Bright wrote:
 Brad Roberts wrote:
 
 Not so fun fact: Numerous people died because they either brought their 
 generator or charcoal grill inside. You'll poison yourself even running 
 the generator in the garage with the garage door wide open. It got so 
 bad that the newspaper ran front page headlines warning people about this.

With a judicial system that espouses random transfers of fortunes (the 
words Punitive, Starbuck's coffee mug, and car mirror text come to 
mind), every generator will have to carry a prominent tag that says 
"don't ever use this, especially if you need to".

Not that it helps, I bet every charcoal grill already boasted a tag that 
says "not for indoor use".

I think the worst possible combination of personality traits is an 
enterprising attitude combined with profound ignorance.

OTOH, if these morons didn't get pruned every once in a while, the 
average IQ of mankind today would be about 20. Mother Nature does 
Eugenics for us, sparing us the moral conundrums.

Walter Bright <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

Georg Wrede wrote:
 Not that it helps, I bet every charcoal grill already boasted a tag that 
 says "not for indoor use".

The generators certainly do. Mine has a prominent sticker on it warning 
about the problem.

But even smart people often do monumentally stupid things.

I was once watching the drag racing TV show "Pinks". A kid was driving a 
hopped up VW bug. He had too much power in it for the suspension, and 
was clearly having difficulty keeping it straight on the track. For some 
reason I forgot, the race was suspended for a couple weeks. The kid 
comes back, and this time the bug has a roll cage installed. He said his 
mother wouldn't let him race anymore without one.

So off he goes down the track, still unable to keep the car straight. An 
axle snapped, and the car veered hard left and smashed into the rails, 
rolling and disintegrating into a million pieces. The crew and audience 
were all going "oh gawd, no." So the camera crew rushes up, and there is 
the kid, still sitting in the cage (the rest of the car was pretty much 
gone), badly shaken up but unhurt.

Sometimes, your momma is right!

But the kid still made a rookie mistake, adding lots of power but 
failing to upgrade the suspension and drive train to take it. And I 
think the track operators should have booted his car off the track after 
that first out-of-control pass.

%Wolven <rma wolven.net> writes:

== Quote from Georg Wrede (georg.wrede nospam.org)'s article
 Walter Bright wrote:
 Brad Roberts wrote:

 Not so fun fact: Numerous people died because they either brought their
 generator or charcoal grill inside. You'll poison yourself even running
 the generator in the garage with the garage door wide open. It got so
 bad that the newspaper ran front page headlines warning people about this.


 OTOH, if these morons didn't get pruned every once in a while, the
 average IQ of mankind today would be about 20. Mother Nature does
 Eugenics for us, sparing us the moral conundrums.

Unfortunately, Mother Nature hasn't been pruning anywhere near fast enough in
the
U.S. for many decades...  :)  and now the morons are overwhelming our entire
social system.  Hence the NEED for the front page headlines mentioned above.  I
have noticed that the morons tend to prefer huddling in masses, particularly in
and around large coastal cities, like the Seattle area.  <g>  That fact gives
those of us on the other side of the hills (Wenatchee) hope that Mt. Rainier
might
really blow and do a bunch of "pruning" all at once...  ;)

Of course, I sincerely hope Walter would be bright enough to escape the shears.

P.S. (I hope everyone recognizes that all of the above was said with tongue
firmly
in cheek.)

Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> writes:

%Wolven wrote:
 == Quote from Georg Wrede (georg.wrede nospam.org)'s article
Walter Bright wrote:
Not so fun fact: Numerous people died because they either brought their
generator or charcoal grill inside. You'll poison yourself even running
the generator in the garage with the garage door wide open. It got so
bad that the newspaper ran front page headlines warning people about this.


 
OTOH, if these morons didn't get pruned every once in a while, the
average IQ of mankind today would be about 20. Mother Nature does
Eugenics for us, sparing us the moral conundrums.

 
 Unfortunately, Mother Nature hasn't been pruning anywhere near fast enough in
the
 U.S. for many decades...  :)  and now the morons are overwhelming our entire
 social system.  Hence the NEED for the front page headlines mentioned above.  I
 have noticed that the morons tend to prefer huddling in masses, particularly in
 and around large coastal cities, like the Seattle area.  <g>  That fact gives
 those of us on the other side of the hills (Wenatchee) hope that Mt. Rainier
might
 really blow and do a bunch of "pruning" all at once...  ;)
 
 Of course, I sincerely hope Walter would be bright enough to escape the shears.
 
 P.S. (I hope everyone recognizes that all of the above was said with tongue
firmly
 in cheek.)

Well, at least it was funnier than mine! :-)

Burton Radons <burton-radons smocky.com> writes:

Georg Wrede wrote:
 Walter Bright wrote:
 Brad Roberts wrote:

 Not so fun fact: Numerous people died because they either brought 
 their generator or charcoal grill inside. You'll poison yourself even 
 running the generator in the garage with the garage door wide open. It 
 got so bad that the newspaper ran front page headlines warning people 
 about this.

 
 With a judicial system that espouses random transfers of fortunes (the 
 words Punitive, Starbuck's coffee mug, and car mirror text come to 
 mind), every generator will have to carry a prominent tag that says 
 "don't ever use this, especially if you need to".

As far as I know warning signs have no effect on potential for 
litigation. If you put out a live wire and have a sign saying "don't 
touch this wire it's live and you'll die" and someone touches it, their 
family can still sue you successfully for making a public hazard in the 
first place.

So I think warning signs are put there simply because companies don't 
want their customers to be hurt. There really aren't that many 
sociopaths around.

 Not that it helps, I bet every charcoal grill already boasted a tag that 
 says "not for indoor use".
 
 I think the worst possible combination of personality traits is an 
 enterprising attitude combined with profound ignorance.
 
 OTOH, if these morons didn't get pruned every once in a while, the 
 average IQ of mankind today would be about 20. Mother Nature does 
 Eugenics for us, sparing us the moral conundrums.

I don't see much evidence that intelligence is a matter of genetics. I 
know a lot of smart children of stupid people and vice versa; like 
sexual preference it seems to be a massively-complex cog of womb, 
early-life, and explorational experiences. Smart children might be a 
somewhat more common product of smart parents, but I'd be willing to 
wager that that's because they're presented with stimulating materials 
early on (which they might or might not latch onto) rather than due to 
some kind of smart gene.

If there were a correlation, you'd expect that the most extraordinary 
thinkers would have exclusively come from extraordinary thinkers (since 
random mutations wouldn't cause such drastic and beneficial 
differences), but that's not how it's played out. Isaac Newton was the 
son of a farmer, for example. Albert Einstein was the son of a salesman. 
That their parents were moderately successful for their time (which 
might or might not be a sign of strong intelligence) might be seen as a 
precondition for them receiving the education their children needed to 
reach their potential.

In such a pseudo-randomised situation smart people will always tend to 
congregate and build on one another, and our duty is to make sure that 
pre-existing social conditions don't become the limit to a person's 
intellectual potential. That's not really helped by having a "snobs 
versus slobs" mentality, which you're not expressing here but is a very 
common consequence of this train of thought.

Kevin Bealer <kevinbealer gmail.com> writes:

== Quote from Georg Wrede (georg.wrede nospam.org)'s article
 Walter Bright wrote:
 Brad Roberts wrote:

 Not so fun fact: Numerous people died because they either brought their
 generator or charcoal grill inside. You'll poison yourself even running
 the generator in the garage with the garage door wide open. It got so
 bad that the newspaper ran front page headlines warning people about this.


...
 I think the worst possible combination of personality traits is an
 enterprising attitude combined with profound ignorance.
 OTOH, if these morons didn't get pruned every once in a while, the
 average IQ of mankind today would be about 20. Mother Nature does
 Eugenics for us, sparing us the moral conundrums.

That might be, but education is probably more to blame than IQ, and
selection doesn't stop at the individual level.

Individuals that lack sense get pruned by nature.  But societies that
lack compassion and respect for human life, are destroyed or turned
into bonzai varieties by a much larger gardening process.  If a house
that is divided will fall, what happens when a society divides itself?

I can think of a lot of dumb things I've done that almost got *me*
pruned, so I say if you can print a warning about charcoal burners
in the paper, do it.  It might saves lives, and these days printed
newspapers are in need of good reasons to justify their own survival.

Kevin