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reply "Anonymous" <gimligetmeabox+d gmail.com> writes:
Hello all,

If I could have a minute of your time for a short anonymous 
survey regarding D libraries and tools, I'd really appreciate it.

http://goo.gl/forms/lMrHRr335C


This is explained further in the link above, but for context: I'm 
a developer working on a library for D that I need for an 
application I'd like to write in D. I need the community's 
opinion of paying for builds of open source software, as my 
library requires extra work to build and cannot be built with 
just dub. I want to make it as easy as possible for others to use 
the library, but providing/maintaining builds for different 
compilers and platforms is time-consuming and costly.

Thanks for your time!
Dec 09 2014
next sibling parent reply "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
The form doesn't accept my input. Just provide your cool build 
system so people could use it to build the library.
Dec 10 2014
next sibling parent ketmar via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:02:22 +0000
Kagamin via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 The form doesn't accept my input. Just provide your cool build=20
 system so people could use it to build the library.


or even better: provide sh-script to build the thing. it can be
suboptimal, but if it accepts at least DFLAGS people will either
rewrite it for their build systems or will make a wrapper or something.
Dec 10 2014
prev sibling parent "Anonymous" <gimligetmeabox+d gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 10 December 2014 at 08:02:25 UTC, Kagamin wrote:

 The form doesn't accept my input. Just provide your cool build 
 system so people could use it to build the library.


Yeah, you'll be able to build the library yourself (or download 
builds other people make, even). The survey is so I can judge if 
I should bother preparing builds and offering them for a fee.

I don't want to put the time into that, then offer it to the 
community, just to have them reject my work for daring to ask for 
payment for pre-compiled builds. I don't expect that to happen, 
but I wanted to be sure.
Dec 10 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?TWFydGluIERyYcWhYXI=?= via Digitalmars-d writes:
Dne 10.12.2014 v 6:33 Anonymous via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):

 Hello all,
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 If I could have a minute of your time for a short anonymous survey
 regarding D libraries and tools, I'd really appreciate it.
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 http://goo.gl/forms/lMrHRr335C
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 This is explained further in the link above, but for context: I'm a
 developer working on a library for D that I need for an application I'd=



 like to write in D. I need the community's opinion of paying for builds=



 of open source software, as my library requires extra work to build and=



 cannot be built with just dub. I want to make it as easy as possible fo=


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 others to use the library, but providing/maintaining builds for
 different compilers and platforms is time-consuming and costly.
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 Thanks for your time!


Hi,

I would like to fill out your survey, but the description makes it too
abstract for me to reasonably choose my answers.

The price I am willing to pay for a piece of software is always dictated
by the prices of other software available and by returns of the software
I am programming (be it money or just joy).

You wrote some interesting things:
"However, this library has some *very* large generated sources, which
makes it difficult (if not impossible) to compile using common D tools
(namely, dub). It is using a different build system, which allows it to
generate and build quite easily, but would likely create headaches for
dub users."

These are some strong claims, would you care to back them up with some
numbers?

Also, could you give more details about the library? Or the build
system? It may turn out that the library itself is not likely to be a
source of your income, but the build system can be. Who knows... Unless
you give more details, you are not likely to get reasonable answers.

Just my opinion...

Martin
Dec 10 2014
parent "Anonymous" <gimligetmeabox+d gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 10 December 2014 at 08:29:51 UTC, Martin DraĊĦar via 
Digitalmars-d wrote:

 Dne 10.12.2014 v 6:33 Anonymous via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):

 Hello all,
 
 If I could have a minute of your time for a short anonymous 
 survey
 regarding D libraries and tools, I'd really appreciate it.
 
 http://goo.gl/forms/lMrHRr335C
 
 
 This is explained further in the link above, but for context: 
 I'm a
 developer working on a library for D that I need for an 
 application I'd
 like to write in D. I need the community's opinion of paying 
 for builds
 of open source software, as my library requires extra work to 
 build and
 cannot be built with just dub. I want to make it as easy as 
 possible for
 others to use the library, but providing/maintaining builds for
 different compilers and platforms is time-consuming and costly.
 
 Thanks for your time!


 Hi,

 I would like to fill out your survey, but the description makes 
 it too
 abstract for me to reasonably choose my answers.

 The price I am willing to pay for a piece of software is always 
 dictated
 by the prices of other software available and by returns of the 
 software
 I am programming (be it money or just joy).


I understand that. Going into this, I was more concerned with how 
many people would refuse such an offering in its various forms.


 You wrote some interesting things:
 "However, this library has some *very* large generated sources, 
 which
 makes it difficult (if not impossible) to compile using common 
 D tools
 (namely, dub). It is using a different build system, which 
 allows it to
 generate and build quite easily, but would likely create 
 headaches for
 dub users."

 These are some strong claims, would you care to back them up 
 with some
 numbers?


These numbers change as I work on the library, and I am being 
purposeful about remaining as anonymous as possible at this stage 
in case this offering is the sort of thing that would create a 
backlash from this community. What I will say is that building 
the D code itself with rdmd requires more RAM than any of the 
machines I have access to can offer - it has to be done one 
module at a time, and required the creation of manually 
maintained .di files.


 Also, could you give more details about the library? Or the 
 build
 system? It may turn out that the library itself is not likely 
 to be a
 source of your income, but the build system can be.


I don't expect either would be. The build system is publicly 
available, it just isn't common in the D community.


 Who knows... Unless
 you give more details, you are not likely to get reasonable 
 answers.


I've gotten decent responses so far. I may go into more detail 
soon, but I've also got a lot more work to do before the library 
is ready for an initial release, so details I could give would 
not all necessarily end up being accurate.


 Just my opinion...


And it is appreciated. It doesn't have to be on the form to be 
valuable input.


 Martin
Dec 10 2014
prev sibling parent reply "BBaz" <bb.temp gmx.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 10 December 2014 at 05:33:20 UTC, Anonymous wrote:

 Hello all,

 If I could have a minute of your time for a short anonymous 
 survey regarding D libraries and tools, I'd really appreciate 
 it.

 http://goo.gl/forms/lMrHRr335C


 This is explained further in the link above, but for context: 
 I'm a developer working on a library for D that I need for an 
 application I'd like to write in D. I need the community's 
 opinion of paying for builds of open source software, as my 
 library requires extra work to build and cannot be built with 
 just dub. I want to make it as easy as possible for others to 
 use the library, but providing/maintaining builds for different 
 compilers and platforms is time-consuming and costly.

 Thanks for your time!


Hello, sorry for being a kill-joy but your survey table is 
seriously bugged ! Have you tried it before publishing ?
Dec 10 2014
parent reply "Anonymous" <gimligetmeabox+d gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 10 December 2014 at 15:24:13 UTC, BBaz wrote:

 On Wednesday, 10 December 2014 at 05:33:20 UTC, Anonymous wrote:

 Hello all,

 If I could have a minute of your time for a short anonymous 
 survey regarding D libraries and tools, I'd really appreciate 
 it.

 http://goo.gl/forms/lMrHRr335C


 This is explained further in the link above, but for context: 
 I'm a developer working on a library for D that I need for an 
 application I'd like to write in D. I need the community's 
 opinion of paying for builds of open source software, as my 
 library requires extra work to build and cannot be built with 
 just dub. I want to make it as easy as possible for others to 
 use the library, but providing/maintaining builds for 
 different compilers and platforms is time-consuming and costly.

 Thanks for your time!


 Hello, sorry for being a kill-joy but your survey table is 
 seriously bugged ! Have you tried it before publishing ?


Yes, and others have successfully responded to it. Can you be 
more specific about the problem you're having?
Dec 10 2014
parent "BBaz" <bb.temp gmx.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 10 December 2014 at 15:33:51 UTC, Anonymous wrote:

 On Wednesday, 10 December 2014 at 15:24:13 UTC, BBaz wrote:

 On Wednesday, 10 December 2014 at 05:33:20 UTC, Anonymous 
 wrote:

 Hello all,

 If I could have a minute of your time for a short anonymous 
 survey regarding D libraries and tools, I'd really appreciate 
 it.

 http://goo.gl/forms/lMrHRr335C


 This is explained further in the link above, but for context: 
 I'm a developer working on a library for D that I need for an 
 application I'd like to write in D. I need the community's 
 opinion of paying for builds of open source software, as my 
 library requires extra work to build and cannot be built with 
 just dub. I want to make it as easy as possible for others to 
 use the library, but providing/maintaining builds for 
 different compilers and platforms is time-consuming and 
 costly.

 Thanks for your time!


 Hello, sorry for being a kill-joy but your survey table is 
 seriously bugged ! Have you tried it before publishing ?


 Yes, and others have successfully responded to it. Can you be 
 more specific about the problem you're having?


Well...it's just worked now. Previously I could not select 0$ 
more than once.
Dunno what happened.
Dec 10 2014