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reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gfk15/ć_programming_language_compile_c_subset_to_c_java/
Jun 16 2013
next sibling parent reply "Rob T" <alanb ucora.com> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 01:29:19 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gfk15/ć_programming_language_compile_c_subset_to_c_java/


Unfortunately the choice of ć as the name dominates much of the 
reddit discussion. I just had to mention it, because I too 
thought there was a glitch concerning the "c". Also unfortunate 

Linux machine, yet it ironically aims to be for writing "very 
portable programming libraries". I'm left scratching my head ...

--rt
Jun 16 2013
next sibling parent reply "Aleksandar Ruzicic" <aleksandar ruzicic.info> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 06:09:46 UTC, Rob T wrote:

 On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 01:29:19 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gfk15/ć_programming_language_compile_c_subset_to_c_java/


 Unfortunately the choice of ć as the name dominates much of the 
 reddit discussion. I just had to mention it, because I too 
 thought there was a glitch concerning the "c". Also unfortunate 

 Linux machine, yet it ironically aims to be for writing "very 
 portable programming libraries". I'm left scratching my head ...

 --rt


I was pleased to see that there is a language with non-english 
name, but I share opinion with most of reddit crowd that 
single-letter name such as Ć (and even D!) is a bad choice for 
naming a language. It's just not easily searchable!

Interestingly, for a school project I've developed a tiny 
language and stack-based VM for it called Ћ (that's a cyrillic Ć) 
and just for fun I've also made all keywords cyrilic :D (it was 
c-like of course, hence the name)
Jun 16 2013
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 6/16/2013 11:31 PM, Aleksandar Ruzicic wrote:

 It's just not easily searchable!


I beg to differ:

http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gfk15/ć_programming_language_compile_c_subset_to_c_java/cak93zw
Jun 17 2013
parent reply "Aleksandar Ruzicic" <aleksandar ruzicic.info> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 09:34:48 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 6/16/2013 11:31 PM, Aleksandar Ruzicic wrote:

 It's just not easily searchable!


 I beg to differ:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gfk15/ć_programming_language_compile_c_subset_to_c_java/cak93zw


Sadly, searching for "d la" doesn't give me any D-related result 
on first page on google or duckduckgo (my default search engine). 
First hit on Google is for Disability Living Allowance (DLA) for 
adults and on DDG for Defense Logistics Agency - Home Page.

It must be that it works for you because of your search history.

When I look for something on D I don't usually search on google 
or other search engines, I search here at forums, github, 
stackoverflow or (in the "old" days) on dsource. When I do use 
search engine I search for dlang and it works.

I'm not saying that D is a bad name, it fits more than C++ as a C 
successor, just that it's not that easy to search for. When I 
tell people about D I always point them to dlang.org, so they 
don't go on google first :)
Jun 17 2013
parent reply "Aleksandar Ruzicic" <aleksandar ruzicic.info> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 13:47:59 UTC, Aleksandar Ruzicic wrote:

 On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 09:34:48 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 6/16/2013 11:31 PM, Aleksandar Ruzicic wrote:

 It's just not easily searchable!


 I beg to differ:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gfk15/ć_programming_language_compile_c_subset_to_c_java/cak93zw


 Sadly, searching for "d la" doesn't give me any D-related 
 result on first page on google or duckduckgo (my default search 
 engine). First hit on Google is for Disability Living Allowance 
 (DLA) for adults and on DDG for Defense Logistics Agency - Home 
 Page.

 It must be that it works for you because of your search history.

 When I look for something on D I don't usually search on google 
 or other search engines, I search here at forums, github, 
 stackoverflow or (in the "old" days) on dsource. When I do use 
 search engine I search for dlang and it works.

 I'm not saying that D is a bad name, it fits more than C++ as a 
 C successor, just that it's not that easy to search for. When I 
 tell people about D I always point them to dlang.org, so they 
 don't go on google first :)


Oh, on second read I see you were talking about autocomplete box. 
I've disabled that feature long ago..
Jun 17 2013
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 6/17/2013 6:53 AM, Aleksandar Ruzicic wrote:

 Oh, on second read I see you were talking about autocomplete box. I've disabled
 that feature long ago..


I like the autocomplete box. I use it as a spell checker :-)

Anyhow, I think the days of D being hard to search for are past.
Jun 17 2013
parent reply "Rob T" <alanb ucora.com> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 18:12:12 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 6/17/2013 6:53 AM, Aleksandar Ruzicic wrote:

 Oh, on second read I see you were talking about autocomplete 
 box. I've disabled
 that feature long ago..


 I like the autocomplete box. I use it as a spell checker :-)

 Anyhow, I think the days of D being hard to search for are past.


Don't be fooled by the Google search history, it records 
everything you do and attempts to give you what you already 
expect from previous searches, (it also attempts to do targeted 
advertising), so what works well for you may not work for others.

To find out what Google does to D novices, try browsing through 
the Tor network. Prob a good idea anyway if you prefer that the 
NSA should not have your entire Google history too.

--rt
Jun 17 2013
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 6/17/2013 2:03 PM, Rob T wrote:

 On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 18:12:12 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 6/17/2013 6:53 AM, Aleksandar Ruzicic wrote:

 Oh, on second read I see you were talking about autocomplete box. I've disabled
 that feature long ago..


 I like the autocomplete box. I use it as a spell checker :-)

 Anyhow, I think the days of D being hard to search for are past.


 Don't be fooled by the Google search history, it records everything you do and
 attempts to give you what you already expect from previous searches, (it also
 attempts to do targeted advertising), so what works well for you may not work
 for others.

 To find out what Google does to D novices, try browsing through the Tor
network.
 Prob a good idea anyway if you prefer that the NSA should not have your entire
 Google history too.


I tried it on a machine I never use google on, and I got the same autocomplete 
results.
Jun 17 2013
next sibling parent reply "monarch_dodra" <monarchdodra gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 21:33:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 I tried it on a machine I never use google on, and I got the 
 same autocomplete results.


So anybody want to talk about the language?

The language seems cool. Anybody tried it? Unfortunatly, it seems 
it comes with *0* library, making its usage laborious at best. Am 
I wrong?

I didn't see how you could include/import either?

I'm curious about how they manage memory for class allocation in 
C / C++, since they seem to have chosen the reference model. 
Also, no structs?

Anybody know if you can actually write *programs* with this 
language, or is it really just meant for deploying libraries? 
Like.. "light" libraries?
Jun 17 2013
parent reply Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
On 6/18/13, monarch_dodra <monarchdodra gmail.com> wrote:

 On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 21:33:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 I tried it on a machine I never use google on, and I got the
 same autocomplete results.


 So anybody want to talk about the language?


I don't see much point in the language. If you limit yourself to a
minimalistic language in order for your library to be translatable,
how will the API look like in the target languages? It won't use any
language-specific features that make APIs easy to uses (for example it
likely won't provide any range functionality or templates in D..).

You might as well use C, or C++ with some extern "C" API functions.
Then you can write a stable API, have full optimizations, and can even
distribute the built binaries for some platforms (and you build once
per platform, instead of N*platforms * N*languages). Most languages
can interface with C too.
Jun 17 2013
parent "monarch_dodra" <monarchdodra gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 18 June 2013 at 02:17:19 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:

 On 6/18/13, monarch_dodra <monarchdodra gmail.com> wrote:

 On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 21:33:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 I tried it on a machine I never use google on, and I got the
 same autocomplete results.


 So anybody want to talk about the language?


 I don't see much point in the language. If you limit yourself 
 to a
 minimalistic language in order for your library to be 
 translatable,
 how will the API look like in the target languages? It won't 
 use any
 language-specific features that make APIs easy to uses (for 
 example it
 likely won't provide any range functionality or templates in 
 D..).

 You might as well use C, or C++ with some extern "C" API 
 functions.
 Then you can write a stable API, have full optimizations, and 
 can even
 distribute the built binaries for some platforms (and you build 
 once
 per platform, instead of N*platforms * N*languages). Most 
 languages
 can interface with C too.


One of the problems (which is always a pain), is to link the 
actual C code, which is always a task in itself. Also, as the 
authors presented it, it can also work for "deployable 
languages", such a javascript, which wouldn't work with C.

It's true the language only has access to the lowest common 
denominator of features.

I hadn't thought about "API stability": indeed, looking through 
the examples, each language has its own variants in the 

http://cito.sourceforge.net/hello.html

It also seems to be trying to target both GC and non GC 
languages, which appears to make a mess of things... For example 
it currently doesn't allow string concatenation.

Also, for classes: "new C() allocates new instance of class C and 
returns a pointer to it. If you target the C programming 
language, delete the allocated object some time later." Ouch.
Jun 17 2013
prev sibling parent reply "Rob T" <alanb ucora.com> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 21:33:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 I tried it on a machine I never use google on, and I got the 
 same autocomplete results.


Your complete historical profile is stored on Google's servers, 
not the individual machine. Did you log into Google, or use the 
same IP, or anything else that may allow Google's algos to figure 
out who you are?
Jun 17 2013
next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 6/17/2013 3:04 PM, Rob T wrote:

 On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 21:33:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 I tried it on a machine I never use google on, and I got the same autocomplete
 results.


 Your complete historical profile is stored on Google's servers, not the
 individual machine. Did you log into Google, or use the same IP, or anything
 else that may allow Google's algos to figure out who you are?


No, and I didn't log in, and there are no cookies on it.
Jun 17 2013
prev sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 6/17/2013 3:04 PM, Rob T wrote:

 On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 21:33:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 I tried it on a machine I never use google on, and I got the same autocomplete
 results.


 Your complete historical profile is stored on Google's servers, not the
 individual machine. Did you log into Google, or use the same IP, or anything
 else that may allow Google's algos to figure out who you are?



Why not try it on your machine and report what the autocomplete says?
Jun 17 2013
parent "Rob T" <alanb ucora.com> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 23:24:28 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 Why not try it on your machine and report what the autocomplete 
 says?


Through secure Tor network with no history on my end anyway, I 
typed as far as "d pr" and "d programming" showed up as the 
second item in the list, so I would also say that D the language 
is easy to find these days.

--rt
Jun 17 2013
prev sibling parent "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 06:09:46 UTC, Rob T wrote:

 On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 01:29:19 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gfk15/ć_programming_language_compile_c_subset_to_c_java/


 Unfortunately the choice of ć as the name dominates much of the 
 reddit discussion. I just had to mention it, because I too 
 thought there was a glitch concerning the "c". Also unfortunate 

 Linux machine, yet it ironically aims to be for writing "very 
 portable programming libraries". I'm left scratching my head ...

 --rt


I also don't see much value in it, as it would be better to have 
something to similar to negen, compiling IL to native code.

Thus supporting any language that targets the CLR.

--
Paulo
Jun 17 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 06:29:21PM -0700, Walter Bright wrote:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gfk15/ć_programming_language_compile_c_subset_to_c_java/


How on earth do you pronounce the name of this language? :-(  "Cee
acute"? I'm tempted to propose renaming it to C-flat. :-P


T

-- 
Stop staring at me like that! You'll offend... no, you'll hurt your eyes!
Jun 17 2013
parent reply "Aleksandar Ruzicic" <aleksandar ruzicic.info> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 18:15:54 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:

 On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 06:29:21PM -0700, Walter Bright wrote:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gfk15/ć_programming_language_compile_c_subset_to_c_java/


 How on earth do you pronounce the name of this language? :-(  
 "Cee
 acute"? I'm tempted to propose renaming it to C-flat. :-P


 T


http://translate.google.com/#auto/pl/%C4%86 and hit Listen button 
in the lower-right corner of second box :)
Jun 17 2013
parent reply Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
On 6/17/13, Aleksandar Ruzicic <aleksandar ruzicic.info> wrote:

 http://translate.google.com/#auto/pl/%C4%86 and hit Listen button
 in the lower-right corner of second box :)


That sounded like "chia", I don't think that's right. There's another
website which states that "=C4=86" sounds like the beginning of "Church" (a
soft "ch"), while =C4=8C sounds like "Chalk" (a hard "ch").

Both are in the Croatian and Serbian alphabet, of course. :p
Jun 17 2013
parent reply "jerro" <a a.com> writes:
 That sounded like "chia", I don't think that's right.


Here's another one

http://translate.google.com/#en/sr/%C4%86
Jun 17 2013
parent Piotr Szturmaj <bncrbme jadamspam.pl> writes:
W dniu 17.06.2013 22:47, jerro pisze:

 That sounded like "chia", I don't think that's right.


 Here's another one

 http://translate.google.com/#en/sr/%C4%86


Google Translate synthesizes it incorrectly. Ć is spoken as "Ci" when 
written alone. It's spoken differently (a little shorter) when used in a 
word, such as "Ćma" (it means moth).
Jun 17 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "MattCoder" <mattcoder hotmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 01:29:19 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gfk15/ć_programming_language_compile_c_subset_to_c_java/


At least It seems that they hit right on marketing, look how many 
posts about the language spelling. The name will get that way! :)
Jun 17 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
On 17 June 2013 19:14, H. S. Teoh <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> wrote:

 On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 06:29:21PM -0700, Walter Bright wrote:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gfk15/=C4=87_programming_l=




anguage_compile_c_subset_to_c_java/

 How on earth do you pronounce the name of this language? :-(  "Cee
 acute"? I'm tempted to propose renaming it to C-flat. :-P


That's a B!  :o)


In an unrelated (musical) note... a C, an Eb and a G walk into a bar,
the bartender says:  "Sorry, we don't server minors".

A tumbleweed rolls past...

--
Iain Buclaw

*(p < e ? p++ : p) =3D (c & 0x0f) + '0'
Jun 17 2013
prev sibling parent "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:40:56AM +0100, Iain Buclaw wrote:

 On 17 June 2013 19:14, H. S. Teoh <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> wrote:

 On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 06:29:21PM -0700, Walter Bright wrote:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gfk15/ć_programming_language_compile_c_subset_to_c_java/


 How on earth do you pronounce the name of this language? :-(  "Cee
 acute"? I'm tempted to propose renaming it to C-flat. :-P


 
 That's a B!  :o)
 
 
 In an unrelated (musical) note... a C, an Eb and a G walk into a bar,
 the bartender says:  "Sorry, we don't server minors".


[...]

Bartender? I thought it would be the time signature raising an
objection... from extra notes in the bar! :-)


T

-- 
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'lazy fairy,' which is the belief that if governments are lazy enough, the Good
Fairy will come down from heaven and do all their work for them.
Jun 17 2013