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digitalmars.D - URL consistency for D 2.0 website.

reply Leandro Lucarella <llucax gmail.com> writes:
Is there any chance D website get a consistent URL scheme for version 2.0?

I mean, I've written some docs a while ago incluiding links to D (where
there were no D 2.0), so I used, for example,
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/changelog.html as a link for D 1.0.

Now I want to update it and I have to put:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/changelog.html

for 1.0 and:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/changelog.html

But I guess that if there is a D 3.0 in the future, the D 2.0 website will
be moved to http://www.digitalmars.com/d/2.0/ and the version 3.0 will be
available in http://www.digitalmars.com/d/, so I have to go fix all the
URLs again.

So, it would be great if I can access to any fixed D version
specification/changelog by using the URL scheme:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/[version]/

and leaving http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ for the latest version (as
usual).

This could be easily done with rewrite rules.

TIA.

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next sibling parent reply Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic gmail.com> writes:
Khm... I do not know about this...

The system is pretty much straightforward from my perspective - it uses 
what is common in all version control systems, where the most recent 
version (the one in-development) is in he trunk (/), while other 
versions are in tags/branches (/1.0)

Secondly, there is no stable D 2.0 yet, so it simply does not belong to 
"/2.0".
Dec 03 2007
parent Leandro Lucarella <llucax gmail.com> writes:
Dejan Lekic, el  4 de diciembre a las 00:31 me escribiste:

 Khm... I do not know about this...
 
 The system is pretty much straightforward from my perspective - it uses what
is common in all version control systems, where the most recent version (the
one 
 in-development) is in he trunk (/), while other versions are in tags/branches
(/1.0)


Website != program, and particulary, website != program using svn (because
is the only VCS that I know, that, by convention, use that name scheme).

In websites you want clean, stable URIs, so you don't have problems like
the ones I presented and you don't end up with broken links, or worst,
"hijacked" links (links that should point to D 2.0 specs that
suddenly points to 3.0"). There are many other reasons for stable URIs,
you can read about them here:
http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI
(start reading at "Why should I care?" if you get bored at the begining,
the "latest" case is mentioned in "So what should I do? Designing URIs" =)

And anyways, what I am proposing don't interfere at all with your proposed
svn-ish scheme, is just like you have a 2.0 branch that stays in sync with
the trunk if you whish. You loose nothing, you win *a lot*.


 Secondly, there is no stable D 2.0 yet, so it simply does not belong to "/2.0".


Stable or not, D 2.0 releases are called 2.0, the website mention 2.0
version. If D 2.0 is not 2.0 I think it's not a wise choice to name it
2.0 =)

PS: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ claims to be HTML 4.01 strict but it
    doesn't validate :S
    You can see the errors here:
    http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitalmars.com%2Fd%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0

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prev sibling parent reply Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> writes:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:37:58 -0300
Leandro Lucarella <llucax gmail.com> wrote:


 Is there any chance D website get a consistent URL scheme for version
 2.0?


No. :(


 So, it would be great if I can access to any fixed D version
 specification/changelog by using the URL scheme:
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/[version]/
 
 and leaving http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ for the latest version (as
 usual).


I've already pointed it out before - good time to it again, since
nothing has changed: I don't see a reason why the experimental version
of D is on the frontpage. This makes no sense at all! Please change
this, Walter.

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Dec 04 2007
parent reply jcc7 <technocrat7 gmail.com> writes:
== Quote from Alexander Panek (alexander.panek brainsware.org)'s article

 On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:37:58 -0300
 Leandro Lucarella <llucax gmail.com> wrote:

 Is there any chance D website get a consistent URL scheme for
 version 2.0?


 No. :(


 So, it would be great if I can access to any fixed D version
 specification/changelog by using the URL scheme:
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/[version]/

 and leaving http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ for the latest version
 (as usual).


 I've already pointed it out before - good time to it again, since
 nothing has changed: I don't see a reason why the experimental
 version of D is on the frontpage. This makes no sense at all! Please
 change this, Walter.


I still think it's a no-brainer to have the D 1.x spec be the "default"
specification until D 2.x is called "stable" (an event which is probably still
many months away). At the very minimum, the D 2.x spec should be marked as
"draft"
or "experimental" or something like that.

I don't know how hard it would be for Walter to change the links to make D 1.x
default, but I wouldn't guess that it would be that hard. I'd be nice if he'd at
least reply to this thread or the last one
http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D&article_id=60812
to let us know why we're wrong. I think that a good number of us are in
agreement
on this issue (even though D isn't a democracy).
Dec 05 2007
next sibling parent Leandro Lucarella <llucax gmail.com> writes:
jcc7, el  5 de diciembre a las 17:26 me escribiste:

 == Quote from Alexander Panek (alexander.panek brainsware.org)'s article

 On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:37:58 -0300
 Leandro Lucarella <llucax gmail.com> wrote:

 Is there any chance D website get a consistent URL scheme for
 version 2.0?


 No. :(


 So, it would be great if I can access to any fixed D version
 specification/changelog by using the URL scheme:
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/[version]/

 and leaving http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ for the latest version
 (as usual).


 I've already pointed it out before - good time to it again, since
 nothing has changed: I don't see a reason why the experimental
 version of D is on the frontpage. This makes no sense at all! Please
 change this, Walter.


 
 I still think it's a no-brainer to have the D 1.x spec be the "default"
 specification until D 2.x is called "stable" (an event which is probably still
 many months away). At the very minimum, the D 2.x spec should be marked as
"draft"
 or "experimental" or something like that.


Agree!

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prev sibling parent Robert Fraser <fraserofthenight gmail.com> writes:
jcc7 wrote:

 I don't know how hard it would be for Walter to change the links to make D 1.x
 default, but I wouldn't guess that it would be that hard. I'd be nice if he'd
at
 least reply to this thread or the last one
 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D&article_id=60812
 to let us know why we're wrong. I think that a good number of us are in
agreement
 on this issue (even though D isn't a democracy).


I doubt it would be hard at all (if nothing else, just stick a rewrite 
rule in the server config & there you go), but I can see a possible 
reason why 2.0 is the main page: new users will most likely adopt 
whatever's on the main page or grab the "latest version" that's not 
clearly marked alpha/experimental. Although 2.0 _is_ alpha/experimental, 
Walter could want to increase adoption of 2.0 by new D users rather than 
be forced to support a legacy product, so in this sense, encouraging new 
users to give 2.0 a try is a solid decision.

I disagree with this reasoning, as I think (if nothing else) it gives 
new users the impression that D is not stable and breaking changes are 
often introduced, which is not true at all of the (fully capable) 1.x 
branch.
Dec 05 2007