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digitalmars.D - Split general into multiple threads

reply Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and 
according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval 
issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no 
OT! Only other category proposals.

Proposed categories:

- DMD
- DRuntime
- Phobos
- Language design (or Idea pool)
- D Foundation + resources
- Events
- Other (formerly known as General)

I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to 
adapt them anyways if we realize that something is noisy again or 
too silent.

https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66
May 26 2016
next sibling parent jmh530 <john.michael.hall gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 17:07:54 UTC, Seb wrote:

 Proposed categories:

 - DMD
 - DRuntime
 - Phobos
 - Language design (or Idea pool)
 - D Foundation + resources
 - Events
 - Other (formerly known as General)


I would worry about splitting it in to too many categories. There 
are already are DMD DRuntime and Phobos categories. Study is kind 
of like Language design, but maybe a more formal version of it. I 
feel like Events already tend to go in Announce and don't see a 
reason to duplicate it.
May 26 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply ag0aep6g <anonymous example.com> writes:
On 05/26/2016 07:07 PM, Seb wrote:

 Proposed categories:

 - DMD
 - DRuntime
 - Phobos


Already there, but not used a lot. Druntime and Phobos are just being 
spammed by GitHub.

I suggest combining the three into one Development group that also 
covers dlang.org, official tools, etc. Switch the GitHub thing off, and 
tell people to use it instead of General for everything that touches on 
code in the dlang repositories.

Enforcing the use of that group (or the three that are there already) 
would reduce the traffic in General by a good amount.


 - Language design (or Idea pool)


Sure.


 - D Foundation + resources


Does the foundation really need its own channel, yet? I don't see many 
threads about it.

What does "resources" mean?

I think this can stay in General/Other for now.


 - Events


What would be posted there? Announcements of events should go in 
Announce. I think this can stay in General/Other, too.


 - Other (formerly known as General)
May 26 2016
parent reply Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 17:45:59 UTC, ag0aep6g wrote:

 On 05/26/2016 07:07 PM, Seb wrote:

 Proposed categories:

 - DMD
 - DRuntime
 - Phobos


 Already there, but not used a lot. Druntime and Phobos are just 
 being spammed by GitHub.

 I suggest combining the three into one Development group that 
 also covers dlang.org, official tools, etc. Switch the GitHub 
 thing off, and tell people to use it instead of General for 
 everything that touches on code in the dlang repositories.


I proposed two weeks ago to turn off the bot, but it seems some 
people like it.
Github is already high-traffic, so I expect if we have a mailing 
list it to be similar, so the seperation into groups make sense.


 Enforcing the use of that group (or the three that are there 
 already) would reduce the traffic in General by a good amount.


That's exactly the idea!


 - Language design (or Idea pool)


 Sure.


 - D Foundation + resources


 Does the foundation really need its own channel, yet? I don't 
 see many threads about it.


Let's hope it will, but you are right not for the moment :/


 What does "resources" mean?


What you put under Development (dlang.org, downloads, etc.)


 I think this can stay in General/Other for now.


 - Events


 What would be posted there? Announcements of events should go 
 in Announce. I think this can stay in General/Other, too.


Convinced.


 - Other (formerly known as General)




So incorporating your feedback it would be:

- DMD
- DRuntime
- Phobos
- Official tools and resources (dlang.org, download, ...)
- Language design (or Idea pool)
- Other (formerly known as General)

or turning off the bot instead for the first three categories 
(preferred solution).
May 26 2016
next sibling parent ag0aep6g <anonymous example.com> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 18:38:30 UTC, Seb wrote:

 I proposed two weeks ago to turn off the bot, but it seems some 
 people like it.


Yet the DMD group doesn't get them anymore, and no one is 
complaining (loud enough).


 Github is already high-traffic, so I expect if we have a 
 mailing list it to be similar, so the seperation into groups 
 make sense.


GitHub traffic is going to stay on GitHub. The dev group(s) are 
only going to get what's currently ending up in General.

[...]

 So incorporating your feedback it would be:

 - DMD
 - DRuntime
 - Phobos
 - Official tools and resources (dlang.org, download, ...)
 - Language design (or Idea pool)
 - Other (formerly known as General)

 or turning off the bot instead for the first three categories 
 (preferred solution).


More like:

- Development (about everything under github.com/dlang, replacing 
the DMD, Druntime, and Phobos groups)
- Language Design
- General

Though I wouldn't mind separate groups for the github.com/dlang 
stuff. I just don't think they're exactly necessary.

But I do think that the GitHub thing needs to be turned off if we 
want to use the groups for discussion.

I prefer "General" over "Other", because
1) that's what it's called now. Less disruption is better. And
2) "Other" sounds like it's for borderline off-topic stuff, which 
the group isn't.
May 26 2016
prev sibling parent Wyatt <wyatt.epp gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 18:38:30 UTC, Seb wrote:

 I proposed two weeks ago to turn off the bot, but it seems some 
 people like it.


Most projects I can think of have separate *-commits lists for 
automated spam like that.

-Wyatt
May 26 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Joakim <dlang joakim.fea.st> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 17:07:54 UTC, Seb wrote:

 I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and 
 according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval 
 issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no 
 OT! Only other category proposals.


I disagree.  You don't have to read every thread, I certainly 
don't.


 Proposed categories:

 - DMD
 - DRuntime
 - Phobos


Those forums already exist and get no traffic now, other than 
automated notices.


 - Language design (or Idea pool)


I guess you could combine all four of these into a Development 
forum and see what happens?  For example, Andrei's RCStr thread 
would probably go there.


 - D Foundation + resources


Sure?


 - Events


Announce, which btw people routinely have to be told about in 
General.


 - Other (formerly known as General)


Bad idea, the name General is actually a good catch-all, which is 
why it's the most trafficked.  Whatever scheme is chosen, what's 
most important is that the core team actually uses it that way.  
The fact that threads like RCStr and the one about floating point 
are regularly posted in General by the language architects and 
not in the existing dmd/phobos forums tells everyone else those 
forums are a joke.

Of course, maybe they're just being pragmatic, because General 
gets the most eyeballs.  But that doesn't seem to imply they see 
a problem with everything being in General.


 I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to 
 adapt them anyways if we realize that something is noisy again 
 or too silent.

 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66


Or we could just go by topic and not bother with separate forums 
too, as it has largely failed so far.
May 26 2016
parent reply ag0aep6g <anonymous example.com> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 19:12:44 UTC, Joakim wrote:

 Or we could just go by topic and not bother with separate 
 forums too, as it has largely failed so far.


The General/Learn split is working pretty well. It works because 
people who ask learning questions in General get told to post to 
Learn the next time. If we (including Walter and Andrei) would do 
that with development stuff, it would work.
May 26 2016
parent Joakim <dlang joakim.fea.st> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 19:32:31 UTC, ag0aep6g wrote:

 On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 19:12:44 UTC, Joakim wrote:

 Or we could just go by topic and not bother with separate 
 forums too, as it has largely failed so far.


 The General/Learn split is working pretty well. It works 
 because people who ask learning questions in General get told 
 to post to Learn the next time. If we (including Walter and 
 Andrei) would do that with development stuff, it would work.


Oh, I agree, I was only talking about how to split General.  I 
think the only way it works is with a few broadly defined forums, 
as you said, not with many smaller ones.

I think it's high time many of the smaller ones were 
consolidated: there really need to be separate IDEs and debuggers 
forums?  There were eight threads with any posts this month in 
those two forums combined.
May 26 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Thursday, May 26, 2016 17:07:54 Seb via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and
 according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval
 issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no
 OT! Only other category proposals.

 Proposed categories:

 - DMD
 - DRuntime
 - Phobos
 - Language design (or Idea pool)
 - D Foundation + resources
 - Events
 - Other (formerly known as General)

 I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to
 adapt them anyways if we realize that something is noisy again or
 too silent.

 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66


It may be that we want to create another list or two for some specific
stuff, but trying to split stuff across a bunch of groups is going to cause
its own problems. We already have enough issues with folks posting in the
wrong group as it is (e.g. Learn questions keep ending up in the main
newsgroup). And any time that you have a thread with cross-cutting concerns,
you have problems, and they're only going to get worse the more lists
there are.

I'm honestly inclined to argue that the problem is not so much that we need
more lists so much as we simply have too much OT chatter going on
lately (which is not a problem that we've had on anywhere near this level in
the past).

So, while we may need another group or two for some specific stuff, I don't
think that we should be in a rush to split up the main newsgroup. As it is,
the Phobos list basically died off, because things that were being discussed
there needed to be discussed more widely. A bunch of specialized lists risks
having little to no traffic for what gets posted there. We've seen that in
the past. Heck, just a few months ago, the dlang-study group basically died
shortly after it was created. Nothing has been posted there in months.

If we create a new list, it needs to be for a specific purpose that is
either really isn't appropriate for general discussion, because it needs to
be separated out so that folks can have a low traffic to find it in (like is
the case with Announce), or because it's a topic with a lot of traffic in
its own right which makes sense separate from the main list. And very little
is going to match those criteria.

- Jonathan M Davis
May 26 2016
parent reply jmh530 <john.michael.hall gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 20:27:25 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:


 It may be that we want to create another list or two for some 
 specific
 stuff, but trying to split stuff across a bunch of groups is 
 going to cause
 its own problems. We already have enough issues with folks 
 posting in the
 wrong group as it is (e.g. Learn questions keep ending up in 
 the main
 newsgroup).



I suggest renaming Learn to be Learn/Help.
May 26 2016
parent reply Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:17:18 UTC, jmh530 wrote:

 On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 20:27:25 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
 wrote:


 It may be that we want to create another list or two for some 
 specific
 stuff, but trying to split stuff across a bunch of groups is 
 going to cause
 its own problems. We already have enough issues with folks 
 posting in the
 wrong group as it is (e.g. Learn questions keep ending up in 
 the main
 newsgroup).



 I suggest renaming Learn to be Learn/Help.


Wow your feedback is great so far!
I am glad to see that we can have a good on-topic conversation :)
So to summarize all comments so far, how about this new structure:

New users:
- Learn / Help
Community:
- General
- Announce
Development:
- Develop (dmd, druntime, phobos, dlang.org, ...)
- Language design
- LDC
- GDC

1) Afaik the LDC community moved over to Gitter/Github for most 
of their communication and I guess for them just Annouce or 
Develop would be fine.
2) Is Language design unique enough to be an own list?
3) "Development / Develop" is a bit strange - better ideas? 
Should we dump the top-level categories?
4) If automated bot lists should continue to exist, the should be 
apropriately marked
May 26 2016
next sibling parent reply Joakim <dlang joakim.fea.st> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:45:56 UTC, Seb wrote:

 On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:17:18 UTC, jmh530 wrote:

 On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 20:27:25 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
 wrote:


 It may be that we want to create another list or two for some 
 specific
 stuff, but trying to split stuff across a bunch of groups is 
 going to cause
 its own problems. We already have enough issues with folks 
 posting in the
 wrong group as it is (e.g. Learn questions keep ending up in 
 the main
 newsgroup).



 I suggest renaming Learn to be Learn/Help.


 Wow your feedback is great so far!
 I am glad to see that we can have a good on-topic conversation 
 :)
 So to summarize all comments so far, how about this new 
 structure:

 New users:
 - Learn / Help
 Community:
 - General
 - Announce
 Development:
 - Develop (dmd, druntime, phobos, dlang.org, ...)
 - Language design
 - LDC
 - GDC

 1) Afaik the LDC community moved over to Gitter/Github for most 
 of their communication and I guess for them just Annouce or 
 Develop would be fine.


The ldc forum is used but low enough traffic that it could 
probably be merged in Develop.


 2) Is Language design unique enough to be an own list?


No, I don't think so.


 3) "Development / Develop" is a bit strange - better ideas?


Core?  Language and standard library development.


 Should we dump the top-level categories?


They tell people what to expect, makes sense for that.


 4) If automated bot lists should continue to exist, the should 
 be apropriately marked


Get rid of them, I'm sure github has feeds they can subscribe to 
instead.
May 26 2016
parent reply Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 23:03:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:

 On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:45:56 UTC, Seb wrote:

 On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:17:18 UTC, jmh530 wrote:

 On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 20:27:25 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
 wrote:


 [...]



 I suggest renaming Learn to be Learn/Help.


 Wow your feedback is great so far!
 I am glad to see that we can have a good on-topic conversation 
 :)
 So to summarize all comments so far, how about this new 
 structure:

 New users:
 - Learn / Help
 Community:
 - General
 - Announce
 Development:
 - Develop (dmd, druntime, phobos, dlang.org, ...)
 - Language design
 - LDC
 - GDC

 1) Afaik the LDC community moved over to Gitter/Github for 
 most of their communication and I guess for them just Annouce 
 or Develop would be fine.


 The ldc forum is used but low enough traffic that it could 
 probably be merged in Develop.


 2) Is Language design unique enough to be an own list?


 No, I don't think so.


 3) "Development / Develop" is a bit strange - better ideas?


 Core?  Language and standard library development.


+1


 Should we dump the top-level categories?


 They tell people what to expect, makes sense for that.


 4) If automated bot lists should continue to exist, the should 
 be apropriately marked


 Get rid of them, I'm sure github has feeds they can subscribe 
 to instead.


Of course - and a lot more features ;-)

https://github.com/dlang/dmd/commits/master.atom
https://github.com/dlang/dmd/releases.atom
https://developer.github.com/v3/activity/feeds/

So yet another summary:

New users:
- Learn / Help
Community:
- General
- Annouce (Official annoucements)
- Broadcast
Development:
- Core (Language and standard library development)
- GDC
May 26 2016
parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 23:13:10 UTC, Seb wrote:


 So yet another summary:

 New users:
 - Learn / Help
 Community:
 - General
 - Annouce (Official annoucements)
 - Broadcast
 Development:
 - Core (Language and standard library development)
 - GDC


I would like to see a forum for third-party libraries. I had a 
forum for Derelict at DSource until the site died, then 
maintained one at Lunarpages until it got hacked. I'm not eager 
to put one up on the VPS where I have my blogs now. The result is 
that questions about Derelict (and other projects with no 
official forums) pop up in General now and again (or, worse, on 
the issues page at GitHub). A dedicated forum for forum-less 
projects would be nice.
May 26 2016
parent reply Joakim <dlang joakim.fea.st> writes:
On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 00:21:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 23:13:10 UTC, Seb wrote:


 So yet another summary:

 New users:
 - Learn / Help
 Community:
 - General
 - Annouce (Official annoucements)
 - Broadcast
 Development:
 - Core (Language and standard library development)
 - GDC


 I would like to see a forum for third-party libraries. I had a 
 forum for Derelict at DSource until the site died, then 
 maintained one at Lunarpages until it got hacked. I'm not eager 
 to put one up on the VPS where I have my blogs now. The result 
 is that questions about Derelict (and other projects with no 
 official forums) pop up in General now and again (or, worse, on 
 the issues page at GitHub). A dedicated forum for forum-less 
 projects would be nice.


Good idea, it'd be a good place for people to ask about dub 
packages and other third-party libraries, now that dub is going 
to ship with dmd.
May 26 2016
parent Guillaume Piolat <first.last gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 06:07:36 UTC, Joakim wrote:

 On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 00:21:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 I would like to see a forum for third-party libraries. I had a 
 forum for Derelict at DSource until the site died, then 
 maintained one at Lunarpages until it got hacked. I'm not 
 eager to put one up on the VPS where I have my blogs now. The 
 result is that questions about Derelict (and other projects 
 with no official forums) pop up in General now and again (or, 
 worse, on the issues page at GitHub). A dedicated forum for 
 forum-less projects would be nice.


 Good idea, it'd be a good place for people to ask about dub 
 packages and other third-party libraries, now that dub is going 
 to ship with dmd.


+1
And dub shipping with DMD can't happen soon enough.
May 27 2016
prev sibling parent reply Johan Engelen <j j.nl> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:45:56 UTC, Seb wrote:

 1) Afaik the LDC community moved over to Gitter/Github for most 
 of their communication and I guess for them just Annouce or 
 Develop would be fine.


I think the LDC forum has its purpose, and I do not want it gone! 
Traffic is low, but that's just fine.
Not everybody is on Gitter, and Gitter is only used for quick 
non-semi-permanent discussion.
Without the forum, you would have to create a Github issue to 
discuss something even if it is not really an issue that needs 
resolving, only members of the LDC github group would see it, etc.

-Johan
May 27 2016
parent Joakim <dlang joakim.fea.st> writes:
On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 09:47:08 UTC, Johan Engelen wrote:

 On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:45:56 UTC, Seb wrote:

 1) Afaik the LDC community moved over to Gitter/Github for 
 most of their communication and I guess for them just Annouce 
 or Develop would be fine.


 I think the LDC forum has its purpose, and I do not want it 
 gone! Traffic is low, but that's just fine.
 Not everybody is on Gitter, and Gitter is only used for quick 
 non-semi-permanent discussion.
 Without the forum, you would have to create a Github issue to 
 discuss something even if it is not really an issue that needs 
 resolving, only members of the LDC github group would see it, 
 etc.


The idea is to merge ldc threads into Core.  You could use a 
[LDC] label in the topic to differentiate ldc-specific posts, and 
since there's not much traffic in the dedicated ldc forum, it 
wouldn't add too much to Core.  It might even give ldc greater 
visibility by the core team.

I think gdc should do the same, but they have some automated bot 
that cross-posts comments from their bugzilla, so they may want 
to keep their own forum if they want to keep doing that.
May 27 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply qznc <qznc web.de> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 17:07:54 UTC, Seb wrote:

 I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and 
 according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval 
 issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no 
 OT! Only other category proposals.


How about a "Show Off" category, which is something like a 
"lesser Announce"? When I submitted my first project to the dub 
repo, I would have liked to show it to some people. However, it 
is not important enough for Announce. It does not really fit 
Learn either.

Some stuff from Announce should probably go there. It would 
probably not help to reduce traffic in General.
May 26 2016
parent Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:51:51 UTC, qznc wrote:

 On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 17:07:54 UTC, Seb wrote:

 I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic 
 and according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an 
 approval issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so 
 please no OT! Only other category proposals.


 How about a "Show Off" category, which is something like a 
 "lesser Announce"? When I submitted my first project to the dub 
 repo, I would have liked to show it to some people. However, it 
 is not important enough for Announce. It does not really fit 
 Learn either.
 Some stuff from Announce should probably go there. It would 
 probably not help to reduce traffic in General.


How about "Broadcast" instead of "Show off"?
And rename Announce to "Official announce", s.t. it's clear that 
annouce is really low-traffic and can be used for outsiders that 
just want to be regularily pinged for important stuff (dconf 
registration, new release, ...).

(Btw another idea of is to help & guide people how to promote 
their project. See this issue for details: 
https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/69)
May 26 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply ixid <adamsibson hotmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 17:07:54 UTC, Seb wrote:

 I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and 
 according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval 
 issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no 
 OT! Only other category proposals.

 Proposed categories:

 - DMD
 - DRuntime
 - Phobos
 - Language design (or Idea pool)
 - D Foundation + resources
 - Events
 - Other (formerly known as General)

 I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to 
 adapt them anyways if we realize that something is noisy again 
 or too silent.

 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66


That's far too many categories, it would be better to have 
General and Technical at this stage.
May 27 2016
next sibling parent Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 09:10:08 UTC, ixid wrote:

 On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 17:07:54 UTC, Seb wrote:

 I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic 
 and according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an 
 approval issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so 
 please no OT! Only other category proposals.

 Proposed categories:

 - DMD
 - DRuntime
 - Phobos
 - Language design (or Idea pool)
 - D Foundation + resources
 - Events
 - Other (formerly known as General)

 I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to 
 adapt them anyways if we realize that something is noisy again 
 or too silent.

 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66


 That's far too many categories, it would be better to have 
 General and Technical at this stage.


The current idea (based on all the feedback) was to consolidate 
the current categories into roughly something like this:

New users:
- Learn / Help
Community:
- General
- Annouce (Official annoucements)
- Broadcast
Development:
- Core (Language and standard library development)
- GDC
- Third-party (Dub universe)
May 27 2016
prev sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 5/27/16 5:10 AM, ixid wrote:

 That's far too many categories


Yes, we should add exactly one. -- Andrei
May 27 2016
prev sibling parent reply Dicebot <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On 05/26/2016 08:07 PM, Seb wrote:

 I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and
 according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval issue,
 however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no OT! Only other
 category proposals.
 
 Proposed categories:
 
 - DMD
 - DRuntime
 - Phobos
 - Language design (or Idea pool)
 - D Foundation + resources
 - Events
 - Other (formerly known as General)
 
 I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to adapt them
 anyways if we realize that something is noisy again or too silent.
 
 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66


Without moderators to move mismatching topic between groups any more
fine grained separation will do more harm than good. NG in its current
form is simply not a good tool for focused technical discussion and
won't be. "Get rid of OT" idea sounds like mockery to anyone who doesn't
spend his entire lifetime posting here because 90+% of NG posts are
absolutely irrelevant.
May 29 2016
next sibling parent reply Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 at 11:28:05 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 On 05/26/2016 08:07 PM, Seb wrote:

 I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic 
 and according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an 
 approval issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so 
 please no OT! Only other category proposals.
 
 Proposed categories:
 
 - DMD
 - DRuntime
 - Phobos
 - Language design (or Idea pool)
 - D Foundation + resources
 - Events
 - Other (formerly known as General)
 
 I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to 
 adapt them anyways if we realize that something is noisy again 
 or too silent.
 
 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66


 Without moderators to move mismatching topic between groups any 
 more fine grained separation will do more harm than good. NG in 
 its current form is simply not a good tool for focused 
 technical discussion and won't be. "Get rid of OT" idea sounds 
 like mockery to anyone who doesn't spend his entire lifetime 
 posting here because 90+% of NG posts are absolutely irrelevant.


To avoid confusion the proposal is to reduce the number of forums 
from 14 (currently) to 7. So we are halfing the number and are 
_not_ introducing more fine grained separation. Instead the idea 
was rearange the forums to sth. like this:

New users:
- Learn / Help
Community:
- General
- Annouce (Official annoucements)
- Broadcast
Development:
- Core (Language and standard library development)
- GDC
- Third-party (Dub universe)
May 29 2016
parent reply ZombineDev <petar.p.kirov gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 at 11:35:12 UTC, Seb wrote:

 On Sunday, 29 May 2016 at 11:28:05 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 On 05/26/2016 08:07 PM, Seb wrote:

 I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic 
 and according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an 
 approval issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so 
 please no OT! Only other category proposals.
 
 Proposed categories:
 
 - DMD
 - DRuntime
 - Phobos
 - Language design (or Idea pool)
 - D Foundation + resources
 - Events
 - Other (formerly known as General)
 
 I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to 
 adapt them anyways if we realize that something is noisy 
 again or too silent.
 
 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66


 Without moderators to move mismatching topic between groups 
 any more fine grained separation will do more harm than good. 
 NG in its current form is simply not a good tool for focused 
 technical discussion and won't be. "Get rid of OT" idea sounds 
 like mockery to anyone who doesn't spend his entire lifetime 
 posting here because 90+% of NG posts are absolutely 
 irrelevant.


 To avoid confusion the proposal is to reduce the number of 
 forums from 14 (currently) to 7. So we are halfing the number 
 and are _not_ introducing more fine grained separation. Instead 
 the idea was rearange the forums to sth. like this:

 New users:
 - Learn / Help
 Community:
 - General
 - Annouce (Official annoucements)
 - Broadcast
 Development:
 - Core (Language and standard library development)
 - GDC
 - Third-party (Dub universe)


I like this list better than the current, but with one change: 
taking LDC out of core and renaming it to LDC and LLVM so other D 
projects that leverage LLVM can be hosted there (e.g. SDC, 
Calypso, CPP2D, etc) and to be on par with GDC.
May 29 2016
parent Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Sunday, 29 May 2016 at 11:44:25 UTC, ZombineDev wrote:

 On Sunday, 29 May 2016 at 11:35:12 UTC, Seb wrote:

 [...]


 I like this list better than the current, but with one change: 
 taking LDC out of core and renaming it to LDC and LLVM so other 
 D projects that leverage LLVM can be hosted there (e.g. SDC, 
 Calypso, CPP2D, etc) and to be on par with GDC.


Having an additional LLVM category sounds reasonable.
So we go with this new structure? Any major objections?


 It would be nice to be able to move conversations. Instead of 
 "please use > D.learn instead", you would see "moved to more 
 appropriate D.learn".


See also: https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/67
May 31 2016
prev sibling parent Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On 5/29/16 7:28 AM, Dicebot wrote:

 On 05/26/2016 08:07 PM, Seb wrote:

 I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and
 according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval issue,
 however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no OT! Only other
 category proposals.

 Proposed categories:

 - DMD
 - DRuntime
 - Phobos
 - Language design (or Idea pool)
 - D Foundation + resources
 - Events
 - Other (formerly known as General)

 I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to adapt them
 anyways if we realize that something is noisy again or too silent.

 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66


 Without moderators to move mismatching topic between groups any more
 fine grained separation will do more harm than good.


Note that this isn't possible with the NG being backed by NNTP.

It would be nice to be able to move conversations. Instead of "please 
use D.learn instead", you would see "moved to more appropriate D.learn".

I'd hate to lose my NNTP interface though :)

-Steve
May 29 2016