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reply "Bent Rasmussen" <IncredibleShrinkingSphere Gmail.com> writes:

mistaken as a deconstruction of D 2 and its feature set: const correctness, 
pure functions, un/sharing, etc. There is also the mention of interleaving 
of dynamic and static code, an attempt to assimilate the strengths of some 
dynamic languages.



D is included in the sides towards the end, along with some other popular or 
emerging languages, like Fortress.


trend of variance over invariance (or mutability over immutability, if you 
will). Ain't the future of "immutable everywhere" blissful (if only we 
didn't have to type it). Serial language designers and computational 
theologists rejoice.

Anyway, it's great to see the same powerful ideas being woven into the 
fabric of mainstream programming. New hybrids, new mutants and in some 
cases, new monsters.

- Bent
Oct 10 2008
parent reply bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
Bent Rasmussen:


 mistaken as a deconstruction of D 2 and its feature set: const correctness, 
 pure functions, un/sharing, etc.


Nice video. I think lot of those people think that D is backwards: they all
think that the future (and present too) of languages is on "platforms" that are
based on a virtual machine. Well, D will probably run on the LLVM, so I hope D
too will be a little part of the future (once D runs well on LLVM, a stanrdar
module can be added to compile functions on the fly, that is to implement the
eval() function. And maybe the D language can grow few of the features you can
see in VM-based languages).
At that point D may be used as both as Java and C :-) The problem is of course

anymore :-)

Bye,
bearophile
Oct 10 2008
parent reply Lars Ivar Igesund <larsivar igesund.net> writes:
bearophile wrote:


 The problem is of course

 Java anymore :-)


And who told you that?

-- 
Lars Ivar Igesund
blog at http://larsivi.net
DSource, #d.tango & #D: larsivi
Dancing the Tango
Oct 10 2008
next sibling parent bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
Lars Ivar Igesund Wrote:

 And who told you that?


The great grizzly has whispered it to me:
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/animals/images/800/grizzly-bear.jpg

Bye,
bearophile
Oct 10 2008
prev sibling parent reply "Bent Rasmussen" <IncredibleShrinkingSphere Gmail.com> writes:
That future of is like the lambda in front of the language enthusiast' - 
Sorry, it's like the carrot in front of the donkey. Always out of reach for 
the masses.



potential. There's Scala, it's hybrid, coherent and highly expressive 
language but somehow doesn't look like a mainstream proposition.

No point going further down the list.

- Bent

' guess who(m)

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 bearophile wrote:


 The problem is of course

 Java anymore :-)


 And who told you that?

 -- 
 Lars Ivar Igesund
 blog at http://larsivi.net
 DSource, #d.tango & #D: larsivi
 Dancing the Tango
Oct 10 2008
parent reply Lars Ivar Igesund <larsivar igesund.net> writes:
Bent Rasmussen wrote:


 That future of is like the lambda in front of the language enthusiast' -
 Sorry, it's like the carrot in front of the donkey. Always out of reach
 for the masses.
 


 potential. There's Scala, it's hybrid, coherent and highly expressive
 language but somehow doesn't look like a mainstream proposition.
 
 No point going further down the list.


Well, the point is that I have yet to see any large projects in either of
those languages (they exist, they're just not everywhere). In Java however,
I hear of large new projects every day. I know that there may be
geographical differences, but from this hill it looks like companies that
build and sell their own software choose whichever language/platform that

largish consultant contracts opt for Java.

Statements of what is the future, altogether forget that deployed software
control a large portion of any future, such as the shortage of COBOL
programmers have shown. New, niche languages isn't the future just because
they get a lot of attention in the blogosphere. Most programmers seems to
be rather unaware of most stuff discussed there.

-- 
Lars Ivar Igesund
blog at http://larsivi.net
DSource, #d.tango & #D: larsivi
Dancing the Tango
Oct 10 2008
parent reply "Bent Rasmussen" <IncredibleShrinkingSphere Gmail.com> writes:
No doubt about it. The point was that some of us are donkeys, chasing 
carrots. ;-)
- which has little to do with mainstream penetration

- Bent

"Lars Ivar Igesund" <larsivar igesund.net> skrev i meddelelsen 
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 Bent Rasmussen wrote:


 That future of is like the lambda in front of the language enthusiast' -
 Sorry, it's like the carrot in front of the donkey. Always out of reach
 for the masses.



 some
 potential. There's Scala, it's hybrid, coherent and highly expressive
 language but somehow doesn't look like a mainstream proposition.

 No point going further down the list.


 Well, the point is that I have yet to see any large projects in either of
 those languages (they exist, they're just not everywhere). In Java 
 however,
 I hear of large new projects every day. I know that there may be
 geographical differences, but from this hill it looks like companies that
 build and sell their own software choose whichever language/platform that

 largish consultant contracts opt for Java.

 Statements of what is the future, altogether forget that deployed software
 control a large portion of any future, such as the shortage of COBOL
 programmers have shown. New, niche languages isn't the future just because
 they get a lot of attention in the blogosphere. Most programmers seems to
 be rather unaware of most stuff discussed there.

 -- 
 Lars Ivar Igesund
 blog at http://larsivi.net
 DSource, #d.tango & #D: larsivi
 Dancing the Tango
Oct 10 2008
parent Christopher Wright <dhasenan gmail.com> writes:
Bent Rasmussen wrote:

 No doubt about it. The point was that some of us are donkeys, chasing 
 carrots. ;-)
 - which has little to do with mainstream penetration
 
 - Bent


Read you how not is posting top, enthusiast Forth a you're unless.

Specifically, when you top post, I assume that you simply forgot to 
write a post while quoting someone else.
Oct 11 2008