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reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
http://d-programming-language.org

 From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on 
browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when 
shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit 
button is gone, and a few styles were changed.

Could have sworn I sent this already, it just disappeared.


Andrei
Sep 09 2010
next sibling parent Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> writes:
On 2010-09-09 20:07:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu 
<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> said:


 http://d-programming-language.org
 
  From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on 
 browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when 
 shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit 
 button is gone, and a few styles were changed.


I just happened to take a look at the FAQ / Rationale page, and found a 
lot of outdated answers about operator overloading (most of that 
section is due for a rewrite).
<http://d-programming-language.org/rationale.html>

This one is quite funny to read because it basically says that the new 
operator overloading regime is something that will lead to ugly hacks! 
:-)

"""
Why not have binary operator overloads be static members, so both 
arguments are specified, and there no longer is any issue with the 
reverse operations?

This means that the operator overload cannot be virtual, and so likely 
would be implemented as a shell around another virtual function to do 
the real work. This will wind up looking like an ugly hack. Secondly, 
the opCmp() function is already an operator overload in Object, it 
needs to be virtual for several reasons, and making it asymmetric with 
the way other operator overloads are done is unnecessary confusion.
"""

-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.fortin michelf.com
http://michelf.com/
Sep 09 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
Andrei:

 http://d-programming-language.org


The designer of those pages has taken the wrong choice of wasting some part of
the screen on the right. I will need to use "no style" often with Firefox to
use those pages and be able to read the non-proportional text present in those
pages.

Bye,
bearophile
Sep 09 2010
parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"bearophile" <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> wrote in message 
news:i6c1u7$2f1o$1 digitalmars.com...

 Andrei:

 http://d-programming-language.org


 The designer of those pages has taken the wrong choice of wasting some 
 part of the screen on the right. I will need to use "no style" often with 
 Firefox to use those pages and be able to read the non-proportional text 
 present in those pages.


Maybe a screenshot would help? I don't really know what you mean. (Maybe the 
others do though?)
Sep 09 2010
parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 04:45:17 +0300, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "bearophile" <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> wrote in message
 news:i6c1u7$2f1o$1 digitalmars.com...

 Andrei:

 http://d-programming-language.org


 The designer of those pages has taken the wrong choice of wasting some
 part of the screen on the right. I will need to use "no style" often  
 with
 Firefox to use those pages and be able to read the non-proportional text
 present in those pages.


 Maybe a screenshot would help? I don't really know what you mean. (Maybe  
 the
 others do though?)


Screenshot:  
http://dump.thecybershadow.net/8302412a7f0c2b557401c31e3ed7d5ff/00000650.png

There seems to be a "max-width" property somewhere OSLT. Maybe it's a good  
idea, because reading very wide pages can be straining (you can easily  
lose track which line you're reading).

-- 
Best regards,
  Vladimir                            mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net
Sep 09 2010
parent bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
Nick Sabalausky:

Maybe a screenshot would help? I don't really know what you mean. (Maybe the
others do though?)

I have shown a screenshoot last time:
http://i52.tinypic.com/2jetpqg.jpg
The situation is now worse, the code is cut on the right.

-------------------

Vladimir Panteleev:

 There seems to be a "max-width" property somewhere OSLT. Maybe it's a good  
 idea, because reading very wide pages can be straining (you can easily  
 lose track which line you're reading).


It's a good idea if and when it's done well. It's not a good idea when the
there is not enough space for the source code, and you have to scroll
horizontally to see it, and you are wasting some space on the right.

Bye,
bearophile
Sep 09 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent "JimBob" <jim bob.com> writes:
"Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message 
news:i6bssf$25io$1 digitalmars.com...

 http://d-programming-language.org

 From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on browsers 
 with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when shrinking and 
 growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit button is gone, and 
 a few styles were changed.

 Could have sworn I sent this already, it just disappeared.


I think the color scheme is better than the original.

The blue/grey is much better than the sandy biege of the original. And there 
seems a better contrast on the sidebar for sure, and the main text is easier 
on the eye too.

Thumbs up from me!

note: Clicking on "Library reference" ==>

"The requested URL /phobos/phobos.html was not found on this server."
Sep 10 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Bane <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> writes:
Dedicated Website!
Coooooool!
Me like it!
Sep 10 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
There are adverts on the page? Lol, didn't notice. Thanks again, AdblockPlus!

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Russel Winder <russel russel.org.uk> wrote:

 The Google adverts at the foot of each page need to have some font
 sizing/scaling applied, currently they look seriously ugly which has the
 effect of ensuring that anything advertised is something I shall avoid
 -- i.e. it is anti-advertising. See attached
 d-programming-language.org_bottom.png.
Sep 10 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?IkrDqXLDtG1lIE0uIEJlcmdlciI=?= <jeberger free.fr> writes:
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 http://d-programming-language.org
=20
 From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on
 browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when
 shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit
 button is gone, and a few styles were changed.
=20


	Great, now the only issue that remains is that the text is still
too small...

		Jerome
--=20
mailto:jeberger free.fr
http://jeberger.free.fr
Jabber: jeberger jabber.fr
Sep 10 2010
parent reply David Gileadi <gileadis NSPMgmail.com> writes:
On 9/10/10 10:20 AM, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote:

 	Great, now the only issue that remains is that the text is still
 too small...

 		Jerome


Text sizes are likely not changing.  Some folks say the text is too big, 
some say it's too small.  The text size is based on your browser 
settings, so check your browser and its default text sizes.  If that 
doesn't help, please adjust your preferences to match the text :)
Sep 10 2010
parent =?UTF-8?B?IkrDqXLDtG1lIE0uIEJlcmdlciI=?= <jeberger free.fr> writes:
David Gileadi wrote:

 On 9/10/10 10:20 AM, "J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me M. Berger" wrote:

     Great, now the only issue that remains is that the text is still
 too small...

         Jerome


=20
 Text sizes are likely not changing.  Some folks say the text is too big=


,

 some say it's too small.  The text size is based on your browser
 settings, so check your browser and its default text sizes.  If that
 doesn't help, please adjust your preferences to match the text :)


	Yes, the text size is *based* on my browser setting in that it is
set relatively to it. The issue is that it is set *smaller* than my
browser setting (around 15% smaller which is very noticeable). I
won't change my setting (and wind up with every properly designed
site being too large) just to accommodate one web site...

		Jerome
--=20
mailto:jeberger free.fr
http://jeberger.free.fr
Jabber: jeberger jabber.fr
Sep 10 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
I see the spacing around code blocks seems to have been reduced.  Either 
that or it just doesn't seem too big now.  But are you going to do 
anything about the other issues I raised on 3 Sep?

Stewart.
Sep 10 2010
parent David Gileadi <gileadis NSPMgmail.com> writes:
On 9/10/10 10:20 AM, Stewart Gordon wrote:

 I see the spacing around code blocks seems to have been reduced.  Either
 that or it just doesn't seem too big now. But are you going to do
 anything about the other issues I raised on 3 Sep?


Reposting those suggestions, responses inline:


 Nice design on the whole.  A few issues:

 1. Too much space above and below code and BNF blocks.

 2. In a few places, the bullet points look a little too spaced out.


I decreased the list spacing a bit, but don't want to decrease it 
further.  Some lists like those on 
http://d-programming-language.org/overview.html have wrapped text, and I 
prefer the spacing between the bulleted paragraphs.  If there is a 
strong consensus against my preference I'll change it :)


 3. No consistency in whether indentation in BNF is with a tab character, four
spaces or eight spaces.

 4. Tab characters in pre blocks ought to be avoided, as they aren't guaranteed
to display the same for everybody, and it also encourages bad practice if you
use half-tabs like that.


I have mostly been avoiding changing the content, and I consider 
tabs/spaces in BNF blocks to be content, not styling.


 5. It would be nice if you ran it through a validator.

 http://validator.w3.org/

 or if you want to check the whole site

 http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/


I made a couple of changes based on validation but there are obviously 
lots to do.  It's honestly not very high on my priority list.
Sep 10 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Lars T. Kyllingstad" <public kyllingen.NOSPAMnet> writes:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:07:20 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:


 http://d-programming-language.org
 
  From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on
 browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when
 shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit
 button is gone, and a few styles were changed.
 
 Could have sworn I sent this already, it just disappeared.



It looks good!

-Lars
Sep 14 2010
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 09/14/2010 02:50 AM, Lars T. Kyllingstad wrote:

 On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:07:20 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:


 http://d-programming-language.org

   From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on
 browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when
 shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit
 button is gone, and a few styles were changed.

 Could have sworn I sent this already, it just disappeared.



 It looks good!


I think we'll move forward with that one. I'll start working on the 
content. Ideas for good tutorial examples?

Andrei
Sep 14 2010
next sibling parent reply Philippe Sigaud <philippe.sigaud gmail.com> writes:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 17:01, Andrei Alexandrescu <
SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:

  I think we'll move forward with that one. I'll start working on the


content. Ideas for good tutorial examples?


Maybe more examples of what's interesting me right now than tutorials, but
who knows?

* executing command-lines instructions from a D program. Theme: file I/O, OS
interaction.
An interesting example is having a script that loads a D file, modifies its
source, asks for DMD to compile it and then runs it and get its result. It
could be the first brick to get a REPL / idmd (interactive dmd). Maybe more
a [challenge] subject than a tutorial example?

* fun with types and operator overload:

auto g = gobble ~1 ~ "a" ~ 2.34 ~ (int i) { return i*i;} ~ [1,2,3];

struct Gobbler(T...) is just a tuple-like type overloading opBinary!("~",
U)(U u) to return Gobbler!(T, U)(this.payload, u). gobble() is just a helper
function returning Gobbler!()
The type is evolving along with the expression consumption. I find this
fascinating. Statically typed variadic expressions: how many language offer
this? How many lines of C++?
Now, if only alias this worked for typetuples, we could even do g[3] to get
the function literal back.

* related to this: expressions templates in D.
cpp-next has a nice article introducing Boost.Proto and such.
http://cpp-next.com/archive/2010/08/expressive-c-introduction/
I'm reading the Boost.Proto docs right now and find them quite interesting.

Variable!double _1, _2;
auto expr = (_1 + _2)*_1 + 1; // expr encodes the entire expression in its
type and is a callable struct.
In D, it could be a BinOp!("+", BinOp!("*", BinOp!("+",
Variable!double,Variable!double),Variable!double),int)

* a small script that find ddocs comments from D code and find any fri****g
missing parenthesis, telling the user were in the file she should look (and
range of line spanning the comment). Finding ddocs comments and counting
open/closed parenthesis is a simple example of parsing/finite state
automata.

* some interesting examples of templates or string mixins could help
alleviate the sentiment they are unknowable black magic. I admit it, I have
no interesting/new example in mind right now. Some example where a custom
struct is created according to CT parameters could be interesting.


Philippe



 Sep 14 2010



 next sibling parent  Justin Johansson <no spam.com>  writes:


On 15/09/2010 6:05 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:

 An interesting example is having a script that loads a D file, modifies
 its source, asks for DMD to compile it and then runs it and get its
 result. It could be the first brick to get a REPL / idmd (interactive
 dmd). Maybe more a [challenge] subject than a tutorial example?


May I suggest you repost this idea as a [challenge].  The more people
that post with subject annotation such as [challenge] (or [trick] as
suggested by others,) the higher the probability that idea of
[yyy] subject annotations take off on this ng, esp. since there is no
other forum/subnewsgroup on D to promote vertical discussions.

Cheers
Justin Johansson



 Sep 15 2010



prev sibling next sibling parent reply Johannes Pfau <spam example.com>  writes:


On 14.09.2010 22:35, Philippe Sigaud wrote:

 * a small script that find ddocs comments from D code and find any
 fri****g missing parenthesis, telling the user were in the file she
 should look (and range of line spanning the comment). Finding ddocs
 comments and counting open/closed parenthesis is a simple example of
 parsing/finite state automata.
 


That has been fixed in dmd:
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3554
http://www.dsource.org/projects/dmd/changeset/620

(It can't give the exact line of the missing parenthesis though, only
the line of the documented symbol)
-- 
Johannes Pfau



 Sep 15 2010



  parent reply Philippe Sigaud <philippe.sigaud gmail.com>  writes:


On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 17:50, Johannes Pfau <spam example.com> wrote:


 On 14.09.2010 22:35, Philippe Sigaud wrote:

 * a small script that find ddocs comments from D code and find any
 fri****g missing parenthesis, telling the user were in the file she
 should look (and range of line spanning the comment). Finding ddocs
 comments and counting open/closed parenthesis is a simple example of
 parsing/finite state automata.


 That has been fixed in dmd:
 http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3554
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/dmd/changeset/620


Wow, I didn't know this (obviously). There has been a steady stream of small
and not-so-small improvements over the past few months that makes D even
more attractive to me. After Don squashing bugs/limitations in CTFE, David
went into a killing spree on algorithm/range bugs that's impressive to
behold.
As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!

Philippe



 Sep 15 2010



  parent reply "Lars T. Kyllingstad" <public kyllingen.NOSPAMnet>  writes:


On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:25:50 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 17:50, Johannes Pfau <spam example.com> wrote:
 

 On 14.09.2010 22:35, Philippe Sigaud wrote:

 * a small script that find ddocs comments from D code and find any
 fri****g missing parenthesis, telling the user were in the file she
 should look (and range of line spanning the comment). Finding ddocs
 comments and counting open/closed parenthesis is a simple example of
 parsing/finite state automata.


 That has been fixed in dmd:
 http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3554
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/dmd/changeset/620


 Wow, I didn't know this (obviously). There has been a steady stream of
 small and not-so-small improvements over the past few months that makes
 D even more attractive to me. After Don squashing bugs/limitations in
 CTFE, David went into a killing spree on algorithm/range bugs that's
 impressive to behold.
 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!
 
 Philippe



Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote the 
patch. :)

-Lars



 Sep 16 2010



  parent reply Philippe Sigaud <philippe.sigaud gmail.com>  writes:


On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T. Kyllingstad
<public kyllingen.nospamnet> wrote:


 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!

 Philippe



 Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote the
 patch. :)


I heartily thank Johannes.



 Sep 16 2010



  parent reply retard <re tard.com.invalid>  writes:


Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:32:16 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T. Kyllingstad
 <public kyllingen.nospamnet> wrote:
 

 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!

 Philippe



 Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote the
 patch. :)


 I heartily thank Johannes.
 <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T.
 Kyllingstad <span dir="ltr">&lt;public kyllingen.nospamnet&gt;</span>
 wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div class="im">&gt;
 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!</div><div class="im">
 &gt;<br>
 &gt; Philippe<br>
 <br>
 <br>
 </div>Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote
 the<br> patch. :)<br><font class="Apple-style-span"

 thank Johannes. </div></div>


You should stop using that html mumbo jumbo. Proper news readers can't 
handle it. 



 Sep 16 2010



  parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a>  writes:


"retard" <re tard.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:i6ubrl$2djc$1 digitalmars.com...

 Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:32:16 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T. Kyllingstad
 <public kyllingen.nospamnet> wrote:


 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!

 Philippe



 Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote the
 patch. :)


 I heartily thank Johannes.
 <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T.
 Kyllingstad <span dir="ltr">&lt;public kyllingen.nospamnet&gt;</span>
 wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div class="im">&gt;
 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!</div><div class="im">
 &gt;<br>
 &gt; Philippe<br>
 <br>
 <br>
 </div>Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote
 the<br> patch. :)<br><font class="Apple-style-span"

 thank Johannes. </div></div>


 You should stop using that html mumbo jumbo. Proper news readers can't
 handle it.


I use Outlook Express with HTML turned off, and it came out fine for me. I 
didn't see any of those tags. What reader are you using?



 Sep 16 2010



  parent reply Philippe Sigaud <philippe.sigaud gmail.com>  writes:


On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 02:36, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "retard" <re tard.com.invalid> wrote in message
 news:i6ubrl$2djc$1 digitalmars.com...

 Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:32:16 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T. Kyllingstad
 <public kyllingen.nospamnet> wrote:


 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!

 Philippe



 Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote the
 patch. :)


 I heartily thank Johannes.
 <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T.
 Kyllingstad <span dir="ltr">&lt;public kyllingen.nospamnet&gt;</span>
 wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div class="im">&gt;
 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!</div><div class="im">
 &gt;<br>
 &gt; Philippe<br>
 <br>
 <br>
 </div>Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote
 the<br> patch. :)<br><font class="Apple-style-span"

 thank Johannes. </div></div>


 You should stop using that html mumbo jumbo. Proper news readers can't
 handle it.


 I use Outlook Express with HTML turned off, and it came out fine for me. I
 didn't see any of those tags. What reader are you using?


And I don't do anything more than hitting "Reply" in gmail. These lists are
all mail to me.
Are my messages always this garbled to you?

Philippe



 Sep 17 2010



 next sibling parent  "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com>  writes:


On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 23:02:56 +0400, Philippe Sigaud  
<philippe.sigaud gmail.com> wrote:


 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 02:36, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "retard" <re tard.com.invalid> wrote in message
 news:i6ubrl$2djc$1 digitalmars.com...

 Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:32:16 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T. Kyllingstad
 <public kyllingen.nospamnet> wrote:


 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!

 Philippe



 Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote the
 patch. :)


 I heartily thank Johannes.
 <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T.
 Kyllingstad <span dir="ltr">&lt;public kyllingen.nospamnet&gt;</span>
 wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div  




 class="im">&gt;

 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!</div><div class="im">
 &gt;<br>
 &gt; Philippe<br>
 <br>
 <br>
 </div>Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he  




 wrote

 the<br> patch. :)<br><font class="Apple-style-span"





 heartily

 thank Johannes. </div></div>


 You should stop using that html mumbo jumbo. Proper news readers can't
 handle it.


 I use Outlook Express with HTML turned off, and it came out fine for  
 me. I
 didn't see any of those tags. What reader are you using?


 And I don't do anything more than hitting "Reply" in gmail. These lists  
 are
 all mail to me.
 Are my messages always this garbled to you?

 Philippe


I believe you can disable html output in gmail settings. Although I see it  
perfectly fine, mono-width font is a lot better for perception for me.



 Sep 17 2010



prev sibling  parent reply retard <re tard.com.invalid>  writes:


Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:02:56 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 02:36, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:
 

 "retard" <re tard.com.invalid> wrote in message
 news:i6ubrl$2djc$1 digitalmars.com...

 Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:32:16 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T. Kyllingstad
 <public kyllingen.nospamnet> wrote:


 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!

 Philippe



 Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote
 the patch. :)


 I heartily thank Johannes.
 <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T.
 Kyllingstad <span
 dir="ltr">&lt;public kyllingen.nospamnet&gt;</span>
 wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div
 class="im">&gt; As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!</div><div
 class="im"> &gt;<br>
 &gt; Philippe<br>
 <br>
 <br>
 </div>Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he
 wrote the<br> patch. :)<br><font class="Apple-style-span"

 heartily thank Johannes. </div></div>


 You should stop using that html mumbo jumbo. Proper news readers
 can't handle it.


 I use Outlook Express with HTML turned off, and it came out fine for
 me. I didn't see any of those tags. What reader are you using?




I'm using Pan. This has worked just fine so far. Don't know what's 
causing this now.



 And I don't do anything more than hitting "Reply" in gmail. These lists
 are all mail to me.
 Are my messages always this garbled to you?
 
 Philippe
 <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 02:36, Nick Sabalausky
 <span dir="ltr">&lt;a a.a&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote
 class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
 solid;padding-left:1ex;"> &quot;retard&quot; &lt;re tard.com.invalid&gt;
 wrote in message<br> news:i6ubrl$2djc$1 digitalmars.com...<br>
 <div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:32:16 +0200,
 Philippe Sigaud wrote:<br> &gt;<br>
 &gt;&gt; On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T. Kyllingstad<br> &gt;&gt;
 &lt;public kyllingen.nospamnet&gt; wrote:<br> &gt;&gt;<br>
 &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!<br>
 &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
 &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Philippe<br>
 &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
 &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
 &gt;&gt;&gt; Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he
 wrote the<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; patch. :)<br>
 &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
 &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
 &gt;&gt; I heartily thank Johannes.<br> &gt;&gt; &lt;div
 class=&quot;gmail_quote&quot;&gt;On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars
 T.<br> &gt;&gt; Kyllingstad &lt;span
 dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;public kyllingen.nospamnet&amp;gt;&lt;/


span&gt;<br>

 &gt;&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote class=&quot;gmail_quote&quot;
 style=&quot;margin:0 0 0<br> &gt;&gt; .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
 solid;padding-left:1ex;&quot;&gt; &lt;div
 class=&quot;im&quot;&gt;&amp;gt;<br> &gt;&gt; As for this particular
 bug: thanks Walter!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;im&quot;&gt;<br>
 &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;<br>
 &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; Philippe&lt;br&gt;<br> &gt;&gt; &lt;br&gt;<br>
 &gt;&gt; &lt;br&gt;<br>
 &gt;&gt; &lt;/div&gt;Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this
 one -- he wrote<br> &gt;&gt; the&lt;br&gt; patch. :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;font
 class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;<br> &gt;&gt;



blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I

 heartily<br> &gt;&gt; thank Johannes. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br>
 &gt;<br>
 &gt; You should stop using that html mumbo jumbo. Proper news readers

 <br>
 </div></div>I use Outlook Express with HTML turned off, and it came out

 using?<br> <br>

 hitting &quot;Reply&quot; in gmail. These lists are all mail to
 me.<br><div>Are my messages always this garbled to
 you?</div><div><br></div><div>Philippe</div>


Yes :-)



 Sep 17 2010



 next sibling parent reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com>  writes:


On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:39:19 -0400, retard <re tard.com.invalid> wrote:


 Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:02:56 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 02:36, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "retard" <re tard.com.invalid> wrote in message
 news:i6ubrl$2djc$1 digitalmars.com...

 Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:32:16 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T. Kyllingstad
 <public kyllingen.nospamnet> wrote:


 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!

 Philippe



 Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote
 the patch. :)


 I heartily thank Johannes.
 <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T.
 Kyllingstad <span
 dir="ltr">&lt;public kyllingen.nospamnet&gt;</span>
 wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div
 class="im">&gt; As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!</div><div
 class="im"> &gt;<br>
 &gt; Philippe<br>
 <br>
 <br>
 </div>Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he
 wrote the<br> patch. :)<br><font class="Apple-style-span"

 heartily thank Johannes. </div></div>


 You should stop using that html mumbo jumbo. Proper news readers
 can't handle it.


 I use Outlook Express with HTML turned off, and it came out fine for
 me. I didn't see any of those tags. What reader are you using?




 I'm using Pan. This has worked just fine so far. Don't know what's
 causing this now.


When I first switched over to Linux, I used Pan, but IIRC, the ordering  
was too difficult to deal with.  There were some other issues, but I can't  
remember what they were now.

Opera is definitely the best one I've tried on Linux.

-Steve



 Sep 17 2010



  parent reply retard <re tard.com.invalid>  writes:


Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:53:41 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:


 On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:39:19 -0400, retard <re tard.com.invalid> wrote:
 

 Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:02:56 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 02:36, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "retard" <re tard.com.invalid> wrote in message
 news:i6ubrl$2djc$1 digitalmars.com...

 Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:32:16 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T. Kyllingstad
 <public kyllingen.nospamnet> wrote:


 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!

 Philippe



 Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote
 the patch. :)


 I heartily thank Johannes.
 <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T.
 Kyllingstad <span
 dir="ltr">&lt;public kyllingen.nospamnet&gt;</span>
 wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div
 class="im">&gt; As for this particular bug: thanks
 Walter!</div><div class="im"> &gt;<br>
 &gt; Philippe<br>
 <br>
 <br>
 </div>Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he
 wrote the<br> patch. :)<br><font class="Apple-style-span"

 heartily thank Johannes. </div></div>


 You should stop using that html mumbo jumbo. Proper news readers
 can't handle it.


 I use Outlook Express with HTML turned off, and it came out fine for
 me. I didn't see any of those tags. What reader are you using?




 I'm using Pan. This has worked just fine so far. Don't know what's
 causing this now.


 
 When I first switched over to Linux, I used Pan, but IIRC, the ordering
 was too difficult to deal with.  There were some other issues, but I
 can't remember what they were now.
 
 Opera is definitely the best one I've tried on Linux.
 
 -Steve


Pan is more lightweight. Yes, I have a Core i7 with 24 GB of RAM, but am 
still using the same desktop applications I had 10 years ago. If the html 
garbage doesn't bother anyone else, I might as well shut up. Just 
mentioned - thought there might be a simple fix.



 Sep 17 2010



  parent  piotrek <starpit tlen.pl>  writes:


On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:57:44 +0000, retard wrote:


 Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:53:41 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 

 On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:39:19 -0400, retard <re tard.com.invalid> wrote:
 

 Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:02:56 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 02:36, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "retard" <re tard.com.invalid> wrote in message
 news:i6ubrl$2djc$1 digitalmars.com...

 Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:32:16 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T. Kyllingstad
 <public kyllingen.nospamnet> wrote:


 As for this particular bug: thanks Walter!

 Philippe



 Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he wrote
 the patch. :)


 I heartily thank Johannes.
 <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:07, Lars T.
 Kyllingstad <span
 dir="ltr">&lt;public kyllingen.nospamnet&gt;</span>
 wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div
 class="im">&gt; As for this particular bug: thanks
 Walter!</div><div class="im"> &gt;<br> &gt; Philippe<br>
 <br>
 <br>
 </div>Actually, Johannes deserves your thanks for this one -- he
 wrote the<br> patch. :)<br><font class="Apple-style-span"

 heartily thank Johannes. </div></div>


 You should stop using that html mumbo jumbo. Proper news readers
 can't handle it.


 I use Outlook Express with HTML turned off, and it came out fine for
 me. I didn't see any of those tags. What reader are you using?




 I'm using Pan. This has worked just fine so far. Don't know what's
 causing this now.


 
 When I first switched over to Linux, I used Pan, but IIRC, the ordering
 was too difficult to deal with.  There were some other issues, but I
 can't remember what they were now.
 
 Opera is definitely the best one I've tried on Linux.
 
 -Steve


 
 Pan is more lightweight. Yes, I have a Core i7 with 24 GB of RAM, but am
 still using the same desktop applications I had 10 years ago. If the
 html garbage doesn't bother anyone else, I might as well shut up. Just
 mentioned - thought there might be a simple fix.


I also use Pan and I see that html garbage as well. Hopefully not too 
many will switch to that combined format.

BTW. Pan is the only option for me on netbook. 

Cheers
Piotrek



 Sep 17 2010



prev sibling  parent reply Philippe Sigaud <philippe.sigaud gmail.com>  writes:


== Quote from retard (re tard.com.invalid)'s article

 Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:02:56 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:



 class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;<br> &gt;&gt;





(snip that)
(the horror, the horror!)


 me.<br><div>Are my messages always this garbled to
 you?</div><div><br></div><div>Philippe</div>





 Yes :-)


Sorry for that :(
That seems to be related to this:

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=30e43148bffd7e07&hl=en

What's strange is this Apple- parts the guy also has in his mails.
I never touched an Apple-related product in my life. I just have no incentive
to do so. My box is dual-boot linux/windows, so
I really don't how these come from.
Maybe it's when I use gmail to reply to someone who posted from an iPhone?
Seems convoluted to me.

Denis:

 I believe you can disable html output in gmail settings.
 Although I see it perfectly fine, mono-width font is a lot better for
perception for me.


I much prefer monospace too, and in fact I'm reading all these mails as
monospace. I also always disable any HTML in my mail
clients. Though I can't find any gmail option related to this right now.

Oh well, maybe I'll just download a newsreader or something.

Philippe



 Sep 17 2010



  parent  retard <re tard.com.invalid>  writes:


Fri, 17 Sep 2010 20:18:47 +0000, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 == Quote from retard (re tard.com.invalid)'s article

 Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:02:56 +0200, Philippe Sigaud wrote:


 

 class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;<br> &gt;&gt;





 (snip that)
 (the horror, the horror!)
 

 me.<br><div>Are my messages always this garbled to
 you?</div><div><br></div><div>Philippe</div>




 

 Yes :-)


 
 Sorry for that :(
 That seems to be related to this:
 
 http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?


tid=30e43148bffd7e07&hl=en

 
 What's strange is this Apple- parts the guy also has in his mails. I
 never touched an Apple-related product in my life. I just have no
 incentive to do so. My box is dual-boot linux/windows, so I really don't
 how these come from.
 Maybe it's when I use gmail to reply to someone who posted from an
 iPhone? Seems convoluted to me.
 
 Denis:

 I believe you can disable html output in gmail settings. Although I see
 it perfectly fine, mono-width font is a lot better for perception for
 me.


 
 I much prefer monospace too, and in fact I'm reading all these mails as
 monospace. I also always disable any HTML in my mail clients. Though I
 can't find any gmail option related to this right now.
 
 Oh well, maybe I'll just download a newsreader or something.
 
 Philippe


I think what you're using gets confused when answering to posts with html 
content. For example this post works just fine. Only some threads are 
broken. It's probably caused by the original html enabled post from some 
iPhone. I haven't seen html being used in news before so don't know if my 
client is too ancient.



 Sep 17 2010



prev sibling  parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a>  writes:


"Philippe Sigaud" <philippe.sigaud gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:mailman.214.1284496545.858.digitalmars-d puremagic.com...

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 17:01, Andrei Alexandrescu <
 SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:

  I think we'll move forward with that one. I'll start working on the


 content. Ideas for good tutorial examples?


 Maybe more examples of what's interesting me right now than tutorials, but
 who knows?

 * executing command-lines instructions from a D program. Theme: file I/O, 
 OS
 interaction.
 An interesting example is having a script that loads a D file, modifies 
 its
 source, asks for DMD to compile it and then runs it and get its result. It
 could be the first brick to get a REPL / idmd (interactive dmd). Maybe 
 more
 a [challenge] subject than a tutorial example?


One thing that could be used for that is the eval() function I've recently 
added to my SemiTwist D Tools library:

http://www.dsource.org/projects/semitwist/browser/trunk/src/semitwist/util/process.d

Example:
-----------------------------
import semitwist.util.all;
void main()
{
    auto x = eval!int(q{ return 21 * 2; }); // String can be 
runtime-generated
    assert(x == 42);

    eval!void( q{ writeln("Hello World"); }, q{ import std.stdio; } );
}
-----------------------------

It does require dmd and rdmd to be on the path.

I hadn't posted anything about it before because it's still 
rough-around-the-edges and needs polish. For instance, most of the useful 
phobos modules aren't imported by default, and it doesn't yet support 
returning string/wstring/dstring - you have to return char[]/wchar[]/dchar[] 
instead and then convert back to string/wstring/dstring (but that shouldn't 
be too hard to fix). Also, on Windows it requires a patched version of rdmd, 
which is included with the library ( 
http://www.dsource.org/projects/semitwist/browser/trunk/rdmdAlt.d ) but eval 
doesn't yet compile it if it isn't already compiled, and it assumes it's on 
the path (I've already solved both of these in the included stbuild program, 
I just need to move the solution over into the general library). My ultimate 
goal with this is to hack up DMD just enough to make it work at compile-time 
(so that *any* arbitrary code can be run at compile-time, albiet more 
awkwardly and with much more overhead than ordinary CTFE).



 Sep 15 2010



 next sibling parent reply Philippe Sigaud <philippe.sigaud gmail.com>  writes:


On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 22:19, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 One thing that could be used for that is the eval() function I've recently
 added to my SemiTwist D Tools library:


 http://www.dsource.org/projects/semitwist/browser/trunk/src/semitwist/util/process.d

 Example:
 -----------------------------
 import semitwist.util.all;
 void main()
 {
    auto x = eval!int(q{ return 21 * 2; }); // String can be
 runtime-generated
    assert(x == 42);

    eval!void( q{ writeln("Hello World"); }, q{ import std.stdio; } );
 }


Oh, interesting!
I had a look at your code. I like this part:

code = boilerplate.format(imports, TRet.stringof, code);

Inside boilerplate, I wonder if it's possible to test for auto ret = _main()
inside a static if(is(typeof(  )))? That way, if _main() 'returns' a void,
the static if won't check and you know you have a void return value.








 -----------------------------

 It does require dmd and rdmd to be on the path.

 I hadn't posted anything about it before because it's still
 rough-around-the-edges and needs polish. For instance, most of the useful
 phobos modules aren't imported by default, and it doesn't yet support
 returning string/wstring/dstring - you have to return
 char[]/wchar[]/dchar[]
 instead and then convert back to string/wstring/dstring (but that shouldn't
 be too hard to fix). Also, on Windows it requires a patched version of
 rdmd,
 which is included with the library (
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/semitwist/browser/trunk/rdmdAlt.d ) but
 eval
 doesn't yet compile it if it isn't already compiled, and it assumes it's on
 the path (I've already solved both of these in the included stbuild
 program,
 I just need to move the solution over into the general library). My
 ultimate
 goal with this is to hack up DMD just enough to make it work at
 compile-time
 (so that *any* arbitrary code can be run at compile-time, albiet more
 awkwardly and with much more overhead than ordinary CTFE).





 Sep 16 2010



  parent  "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a>  writes:


"Philippe Sigaud" <philippe.sigaud gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:mailman.232.1284670065.858.digitalmars-d puremagic.com...

 On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 22:19, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 One thing that could be used for that is the eval() function I've 
 recently
 added to my SemiTwist D Tools library:


 http://www.dsource.org/projects/semitwist/browser/trunk/src/semitwist/util/process.d

 Example:
 -----------------------------
 import semitwist.util.all;
 void main()
 {
    auto x = eval!int(q{ return 21 * 2; }); // String can be
 runtime-generated
    assert(x == 42);

    eval!void( q{ writeln("Hello World"); }, q{ import std.stdio; } );
 }


 Oh, interesting!
 I had a look at your code. I like this part:

 code = boilerplate.format(imports, TRet.stringof, code);


Yea, I love format :). It has all sorts of nifty applications. Although, 
what I'd really like is a utility more like this:

"Hello $(name), the answer is $(answer)".populate(["name":"Mr. Prefect", 
"answer":"42"])

Which really wouldn't be hard to do. And maybe beef it up by having it take 
a Variant[string] instead of string[string]. And maybe make the template 
string optionally a template parameter so it can pre-parse it at 
compile-time.

But format's a very nice next-best-thing.


 Inside boilerplate, I wonder if it's possible to test for auto ret = 
 _main()
 inside a static if(is(typeof(  )))? That way, if _main() 'returns' a void,
 the static if won't check and you know you have a void return value.


Not sure I get what you mean or what benefit you're going for here...?



 Sep 16 2010



prev sibling  parent reply dennis luehring <dl.soluz gmx.net>  writes:


On 15.09.2010 22:19, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 "Philippe Sigaud"<philippe.sigaud gmail.com>  wrote in message
 news:mailman.214.1284496545.858.digitalmars-d puremagic.com...

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 17:01, Andrei Alexandrescu<
 SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>  wrote:

   I think we'll move forward with that one. I'll start working on the


 content. Ideas for good tutorial examples?


 Maybe more examples of what's interesting me right now than tutorials, but
 who knows?

 * executing command-lines instructions from a D program. Theme: file I/O,
 OS
 interaction.
 An interesting example is having a script that loads a D file, modifies
 its
 source, asks for DMD to compile it and then runs it and get its result. It
 could be the first brick to get a REPL / idmd (interactive dmd). Maybe
 more
 a [challenge] subject than a tutorial example?


 One thing that could be used for that is the eval() function I've recently
 added to my SemiTwist D Tools library:

 http://www.dsource.org/projects/semitwist/browser/trunk/src/semitwist/util/process.d

 Example:
 -----------------------------
 import semitwist.util.all;
 void main()
 {
      auto x = eval!int(q{ return 21 * 2; }); // String can be
 runtime-generated
      assert(x == 42);

      eval!void( q{ writeln("Hello World"); }, q{ import std.stdio; } );
 }
 -----------------------------


is that something like an "runtime" mixin

would be great to have something like that in the standard - then i can 
stop writing my own script interpreter for my at runtime loaded DSLs :-)

(and my dream is that walter can use something like that internaly for 
CTFEs)



 Sep 16 2010



  parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a>  writes:


"dennis luehring" <dl.soluz gmx.net> wrote in message 
news:i6uv32$1ijo$1 digitalmars.com...

 On 15.09.2010 22:19, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 "Philippe Sigaud"<philippe.sigaud gmail.com>  wrote in message
 news:mailman.214.1284496545.858.digitalmars-d puremagic.com...

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 17:01, Andrei Alexandrescu<
 SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>  wrote:

   I think we'll move forward with that one. I'll start working on the


 content. Ideas for good tutorial examples?


 Maybe more examples of what's interesting me right now than tutorials, 
 but
 who knows?

 * executing command-lines instructions from a D program. Theme: file 
 I/O,
 OS
 interaction.
 An interesting example is having a script that loads a D file, modifies
 its
 source, asks for DMD to compile it and then runs it and get its result. 
 It
 could be the first brick to get a REPL / idmd (interactive dmd). Maybe
 more
 a [challenge] subject than a tutorial example?


 One thing that could be used for that is the eval() function I've 
 recently
 added to my SemiTwist D Tools library:

 http://www.dsource.org/projects/semitwist/browser/trunk/src/semitwist/util/process.d

 Example:
 -----------------------------
 import semitwist.util.all;
 void main()
 {
      auto x = eval!int(q{ return 21 * 2; }); // String can be
 runtime-generated
      assert(x == 42);

      eval!void( q{ writeln("Hello World"); }, q{ import std.stdio; } );
 }
 -----------------------------


 is that something like an "runtime" mixin

 would be great to have something like that in the standard - then i can 
 stop writing my own script interpreter for my at runtime loaded DSLs :-)

 (and my dream is that walter can use something like that internaly for 
 CTFEs)


Yea, that was kind of my original motivation for it. I was really jealous of 
Nemerle's approach to compile-time execution (AIUI, the Nemerle compiler 
just invokes itself to compile the compile-time code, and then loads the 
resulting DLL and runs it). I figured there was nothing stopping a 
native-compiled langauge from doing essentially the same. To me, that 
sounded like "compile-time eval()", so it seemed to make sence to start with 
a run-time eval() (already done, more or less, and potentially useful in 
it's own right) and then toss in whatever compiler hacks/intrinsics would be 
needed to make a ctfe-version possible (still "todo").



 Sep 17 2010



  parent reply dennis luehring <dl.soluz gmx.net>  writes:


Am 17.09.2010 09:51, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:

  One thing that could be used for that is the eval() function I've
  recently
  added to my SemiTwist D Tools library:

  http://www.dsource.org/projects/semitwist/browser/trunk/src/semitwist/util/process.d

  Example:
  -----------------------------
  import semitwist.util.all;
  void main()
  {
       auto x = eval!int(q{ return 21 * 2; }); // String can be
  runtime-generated
       assert(x == 42);

       eval!void( q{ writeln("Hello World"); }, q{ import std.stdio; } );
  }
  -----------------------------


  is that something like an "runtime" mixin

  would be great to have something like that in the standard - then i can
  stop writing my own script interpreter for my at runtime loaded DSLs :-)

  (and my dream is that walter can use something like that internaly for
  CTFEs)


 Yea, that was kind of my original motivation for it. I was really jealous of
 Nemerle's approach to compile-time execution (AIUI, the Nemerle compiler
 just invokes itself to compile the compile-time code, and then loads the
 resulting DLL and runs it).


yea the easiest approach - do you got a link to an good nemerle example 
of this


I figured there was nothing stopping a
 native-compiled langauge from doing essentially the same. To me,


and without the need for generating a DLL (could be an option)

(but i hope D will get its own "dynamic module" as an abstraction over 
Windows .DLL or Linux .SO that can be maybe used)


 that
 sounded like "compile-time eval()", so it seemed to make sence to start with
 a run-time eval() (already done, more or less, and potentially useful in
 it's own right) and then toss in whatever compiler hacks/intrinsics would be
 needed to make a ctfe-version possible (still "todo").


a ctf-version of eval or using this idea as an evaluation base (combined 
with an AST which is able to give D informations like pure, static, 
const ...) so there no extra ctfe "intepreter" needed (which can't sadly 
not evolve at the speed the language do)



 Sep 17 2010



  parent  "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a>  writes:


"dennis luehring" <dl.soluz gmx.net> wrote in message 
news:i70ibg$1llq$1 digitalmars.com...

 Am 17.09.2010 09:51, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:

  One thing that could be used for that is the eval() function I've
  recently
  added to my SemiTwist D Tools library:

 
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/semitwist/browser/trunk/src/semitwist/util/process.d

  Example:
  -----------------------------
  import semitwist.util.all;
  void main()
  {
       auto x = eval!int(q{ return 21 * 2; }); // String can be
  runtime-generated
       assert(x == 42);

       eval!void( q{ writeln("Hello World"); }, q{ import 
 std.stdio; } );
  }
  -----------------------------


  is that something like an "runtime" mixin

  would be great to have something like that in the standard - then i can
  stop writing my own script interpreter for my at runtime loaded DSLs 
 :-)

  (and my dream is that walter can use something like that internaly for
  CTFEs)


 Yea, that was kind of my original motivation for it. I was really jealous 
 of
 Nemerle's approach to compile-time execution (AIUI, the Nemerle compiler
 just invokes itself to compile the compile-time code, and then loads the
 resulting DLL and runs it).


 yea the easiest approach - do you got a link to an good nemerle example of 
 this


Nemerle does it with their macros:

http://nemerle.org/Macros_tutorial#Compiling_a_simplest_macro

A few things to keep in mind about that:

1. Nemerle macros are functions that run at compile-time and return syntax 
trees which are then "mixed in" automatically.

2. The <[xxx]> syntax basically means (in D-ish psuedo-code): 
(xxx).syntaxTreeOf

3. In Nemerle, like Ruby, putting an expression/value as the last statement 
in a function basically counts as an implicit "return ...;" statement.

4. Apperently I was wrong in my understanding that Nemerle invokes itself 
automatically to compile compile-time code. Apperently *you* have to compile 
it into a DLL first, and *then* you "link" it in (really you "reference" it 
on the command line) when you compile any code that uses it. I like my idea 
better :)

5. Combining <[xxx]> with Nemerle's very, very nice "match" syntax gives 
Nemerle D's fabled "AST macros", and in a more flexible, orthogonal way 
(Nemerle's match is like switch, but match is a Ferarri and switch is a 
Pinto).

I really need to actually download the Nemerle compiler and try this stuff 
out though. I've still never done so yet. So it's possible my 
interpretations of the documentation may be inaccurate.



I figured there was nothing stopping a
 native-compiled langauge from doing essentially the same. To me,


 and without the need for generating a DLL (could be an option)

 (but i hope D will get its own "dynamic module" as an abstraction over 
 Windows .DLL or Linux .SO that can be maybe used)


There was the DDL project awhile ago that looked promising. I don't know 
whether it's still around or not, though.



 that
 sounded like "compile-time eval()", so it seemed to make sence to start 
 with
 a run-time eval() (already done, more or less, and potentially useful in
 it's own right) and then toss in whatever compiler hacks/intrinsics would 
 be
 needed to make a ctfe-version possible (still "todo").


 a ctf-version of eval or using this idea as an evaluation base (combined 
 with an AST which is able to give D informations like pure, static, const 
 ...) so there no extra ctfe "intepreter" needed (which can't sadly not 
 evolve at the speed the language do)


Did this get garbled somehow? I don't understand. (But maybe it's just me, I 
barely got any sleep.)



 Sep 17 2010



prev sibling  parent reply Seth Hoenig <seth.a.hoenig gmail.com>  writes:


Some tutorials/ nicely documented example programs on using the phobos
library would be greatly appreciated. Reading through
digitalmars.com/d/2.0/phobos/ requires too much filling-in-the-blanks on the
reader's part.

Another idea: The vala team made nice, very comprehensive side-by-side

into vala very smooth and easy, wheras learning D is a bit like dumping a
jigsaw puzzle on a table and not having the final picture to look at while
you solve it.


[1] http://live.gnome.org/Vala/ValaForJavaProgrammers
http://live.gnome.org/Vala/ValaForCSharpProgrammers




On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu <
SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:

 I think we'll move forward with that one. I'll start working on the
 content. Ideas for good tutorial examples?

 Andrei





 Sep 14 2010



 next sibling parent reply bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com>  writes:


Seth Hoenig:

 [1] http://live.gnome.org/Vala/ValaForJavaProgrammers
 http://live.gnome.org/Vala/ValaForCSharpProgrammers


I will read those pages.
On the D site there are pages about D1 for C/C++ programmers. I will eventually
write a page about D2 for Python programmers.
In the meantime:
http://tinyurl.com/2d44sx7

Bye,
bearophile



 Sep 15 2010



  parent reply Mafi <mafi example.org>  writes:


Am 15.09.2010 12:33, schrieb bearophile:

 Seth Hoenig:

 [1] http://live.gnome.org/Vala/ValaForJavaProgrammers
 http://live.gnome.org/Vala/ValaForCSharpProgrammers


 I will read those pages.
 On the D site there are pages about D1 for C/C++ programmers. I will
eventually write a page about D2 for Python programmers.
 In the meantime:
 http://tinyurl.com/2d44sx7

 Bye,
 bearophile


I don't know python very well, but I think the article is interesting 
anyways but what I don't get is this:


Python indexes can be negative, to wrap around:

s = "abcdefg"
assert s[-2] == 'f'


But D doesn't allow that, you need to use $:

auto s = "abcdefg";
assert(s[$-2] == 'f');


Here the -2 is a constant known at compile-time. If it's a run-time 
variable then you need more complex code, like:

void main() {
    auto s = "abcdefg";

    int index = -2;
    char c = (index < 0) ? s[$+index] : s[index];
    assert(c == 'f');

    index = 3;
    c = (index < 0) ? s[$+index] : s[index];
    assert(c == 'd');
}


And you need to be careful to use a signed value for the index.


Maybe it's a silly question but what's wrong with
s[($+i)%$] //Wow, looks like Perl

Look
for i=(-1) and $=5 it's (5+(-1))%5 = 4 % 5 = 4
for i=2    and $=5 it's (5+2)   %5 = 7 % 5 = 2

Mafi



 Sep 15 2010



  parent  bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com>  writes:


Mafi:

 Maybe it's a silly question but what's wrong with
 s[($+i)%$] //Wow, looks like Perl


Python built-in collections indexes aren't modular, they are allowed only in
the range [-length, length[

Bye,
bearophile



 Sep 15 2010



prev sibling next sibling parent  bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com>  writes:


Seth Hoenig:


 Another idea: The vala team made nice, very comprehensive side-by-side

 into vala very smooth and easy,


There is also the rosettacode, where every day we add D implementations of the
tasks, D is among the first ten most represented languages there. You may
compare D implementations with the same for other languages, and eventually you
may add more implementations:
http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Main_Page

The tasks not yet implemented in D:
http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Reports:Tasks_not_implemented_in_D

Bye,
bearophile



 Sep 15 2010



prev sibling  parent  bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com>  writes:


Seth Hoenig:

 [1] http://live.gnome.org/Vala/ValaForJavaProgrammers


It seems Vala is shaping up into a comprehensive D-like language. Few of the
interesting features:

---------------

Vala supports string templates:  "...". String templates may contain
expressions, prefixed by a $ sign.

string name = "John";
stdout.printf ( "Welcome, $name!");
stdout.printf ( "3 + 2 = $(3 + 2)");

---------------

Vala: rectangular multi-dimensional arrays [,], [,,], etc. (allocated as one
contiguous memory block), jagged array support planned

int[,] matrix = new int[3,4];

---------------

Vala: no implicit inheritance from Object (GLib.Object)

public class Foo : Object {
    // ...
}

What happens if you don't inherit from Object? Nothing terrible. These classes
will be slightly more lightweight, however, they will lack some features such
as property change notifications, and your objects won't have a common base
class. Usually inheriting from Object is what you want.

---------------

Vala: attributes, built into the compiler. Syntax: [AttributeName (param1 =
value, param2 = value)]. Mostly used for bindings or D-Bus interfaces. The most
prominent attribute for bindings is [CCode (...)]

---------------

Properties

Vala: language support for properties, get {} and set {} blocks, can be
accessed like fields

public class Person : Object {
    private int _age = 32;

    public int age {
        get { return _age; }
        set { _age = value; }
    }
}

void main () {
    var p = new Person ();
    p.age++;
}

Or even shorter for the standard implementation:

public class Person : Object {
    public int age { get; set; default = 32 }
}

---------------

Vala: signals (signal keyword, .connect() and .disconnect())

public class MyButton : Object {

    public signal void clicked ();

    public void test () {
        clicked ();          // emit signal
    }
}

void handler_c (MyButton source) }
    stdout.printf ("handler C\n")
}

void main () {
    var b = new MyButton ();
    b.clicked.connect ((s) => stdout.printf ("handler A\n"));
    b.clicked.connect ((s) => {
        stdout.printf ("handler B\n")
    });
    b.clicked.connect (handler_c);
    b.test ();
    b.clicked.disconnect (handler_c);
}

---------------

Property Change Notification

Vala: Subclasses of Object have a notify signal

public class Demo : Object {
    public string title { get; set; }
}

void main () {
    var demo = new Demo ();
    demo.notify.connect ((s, p) => stdout.printf ("Property %s changed\n",
p.name));
    demo.title = "hello";
    demo.title = "world";
}

However, you can't get the old value.

If you're only interested in change notifications of a single property you can
use this syntax:

demo.notify["title"].connect ((s, p) => stdout.printf ("title changed\n"));

Change notifications can be disabled with a CCode attribute tag immedietely
before the declaration of the property:

class MyObject : Object {

    // notify signal is NOT emitted upon changes in the property
    [CCode (notify = false)]
    public int without_notification { get; set; }

    // notify signal is emitted upon changes in the property
    public int with_notification { get; set; }
}

---------------

Nullability

In Vala you must mark reference type parameters of methods as nullable with a
question mark (?) if it should be allowed to pass null, e.g.

void my_method (Object? a, Object b) { }

void main () {
    my_method (null, new Object());  // allowed (first argument may be null)
    my_method (null, null);          // not allowed (second argument must not
be null)
}

This is checked both at run-time and partially at compile time and helps
preventing null pointer dereferencing.

You can enable (experimental) strict nullability checking with
--enable-experimental-non-null. Then Vala will check all reference type
variables at compile time, not only method arguments. For example, this example
won't compile with strict nullability checking enabled:

void main () {
    string? a = "hello";
    string b = a;        // Error: 'a' could be null and 'b' is not nullable
}

However, if you cast the nullable variable into a non-nullable variable with
(!) it will compile:

void main () {
    string? a = "hello";
    string b = (!) a;
}

---------------

Additionally a Vala class can have a class construct { } block. This block will
be executed once at the first use of its class, and once at the first use of
each subclass of this class.

---------------

Bye,
bearophile



 Sep 15 2010



prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Robert Jacques" <sandford jhu.edu>  writes:


On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:07:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu
<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 http://d-programming-language.org

  From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on  
 browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when  
 shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit  
 button is gone, and a few styles were changed.

 Could have sworn I sent this already, it just disappeared.


 Andrei


Hi Andrei,
The site still has major issues rendering with Opera (10.62). I've linked  
to a screen-shot (http://i56.tinypic.com/wakrw5.png) This is simply not  
usable. Given that I don't have any html experience, is there still  
something I can do to help fix this? (because otherwise the new site looks  
good.)



 Sep 15 2010



 next sibling parent reply Lutger <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com>  writes:


Robert Jacques wrote:


 On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:07:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu
 <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:
 

 http://d-programming-language.org

  From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on
 browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when
 shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit
 button is gone, and a few styles were changed.

 Could have sworn I sent this already, it just disappeared.


 Andrei


 
 Hi Andrei,
 The site still has major issues rendering with Opera (10.62). I've linked
 to a screen-shot (http://i56.tinypic.com/wakrw5.png) This is simply not
 usable. Given that I don't have any html experience, is there still
 something I can do to help fix this? (because otherwise the new site looks
 good.)


Just for reference, this is the easy way to start fixing sites if you don't
know 
where to begin:

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http://d-programming-language.org/

The css validates 100%: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-
validator/validator?profile=css3&warning=2&uri=http://d-programming-
language.org/



 Sep 16 2010



 next sibling parent reply "Yao G." <yao.gomez spam.gmail.com>  writes:


On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 02:32:59 -0500, Lutger <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com>  
wrote:


 Just for reference, this is the easy way to start fixing sites if you  
 don't know
 where to begin:

 http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http://d-programming-language.org/

 The css validates 100%: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-
 validator/validator?profile=css3&warning=2&uri=http://d-programming-
 language.org/


I had a hell of a time trying to make DDOC generate valid documentation.  
It has a lot of inconsistencies or just plain weird and non-uniform ways  
to treat some standard macros. I had to resort to define macros with  
invalid markup, and those, assembled together would end up creating valid  
HTML 4.01 Strict documents. Ironic, I know. Maybe is that I just don't  
understand well how DDOC works. Go figure.

Not to mention few weeks ago when I tried to generate valid XML/DocBook  
files. I just gave up after a couple of hours. It's impossible.  :(


-- 
Yao G.



 Sep 16 2010



  parent reply retard <re tard.com.invalid>  writes:


Thu, 16 Sep 2010 03:15:54 -0500, Yao G. wrote:


 On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 02:32:59 -0500, Lutger
 <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Just for reference, this is the easy way to start fixing sites if you
 don't know
 where to begin:

 http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http://d-programming-




language.org/

 The css validates 100%: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-
 validator/validator?profile=css3&warning=2&uri=http://d-programming-
 language.org/


 
 I had a hell of a time trying to make DDOC generate valid documentation.
 It has a lot of inconsistencies or just plain weird and non-uniform ways
 to treat some standard macros. I had to resort to define macros with
 invalid markup, and those, assembled together would end up creating
 valid HTML 4.01 Strict documents. Ironic, I know. Maybe is that I just
 don't understand well how DDOC works. Go figure.
 
 Not to mention few weeks ago when I tried to generate valid XML/DocBook
 files. I just gave up after a couple of hours. It's impossible.  :(


Have you considered using the community driven doc gen? Was it 'dil' or 
something?



 Sep 16 2010



  parent  "Yao G." <yao.gomez spam.gmail.com>  writes:


On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 03:48:07 -0500, retard <re tard.com.invalid> wrote:


 Have you considered using the community driven doc gen? Was it 'dil' or
 something?


Kandil. I know about it but I haven't tried it. I'll check if it supports  
D2.

Thanks.

-- 
Yao G.



 Sep 16 2010



prev sibling  parent  "Robert Jacques" <sandford jhu.edu>  writes:


On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 03:32:59 -0400, Lutger <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com>  
wrote:


 Robert Jacques wrote:


 On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:07:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu
 <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 http://d-programming-language.org

  From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on
 browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when
 shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit
 button is gone, and a few styles were changed.

 Could have sworn I sent this already, it just disappeared.


 Andrei


 Hi Andrei,
 The site still has major issues rendering with Opera (10.62). I've  
 linked
 to a screen-shot (http://i56.tinypic.com/wakrw5.png) This is simply not
 usable. Given that I don't have any html experience, is there still
 something I can do to help fix this? (because otherwise the new site  
 looks
 good.)


 Just for reference, this is the easy way to start fixing sites if you  
 don't know
 where to begin:

 http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http://d-programming-language.org/

 The css validates 100%: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-
 validator/validator?profile=css3&warning=2&uri=http://d-programming-
 language.org/


By the way here are the results from http://validator.w3.org/check#result

Errors found while checking this document as HTML 4.01 Strict!
10 Errors, 11 warning(s)


Validation Output: 10 Errors
  Line 12, Column 68: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />

✉

The sequence <FOO /> can be interpreted in at least two different ways,  
depending on the DOCTYPE of the document. For HTML 4.01 Strict, the '/'  
terminates the tag <FOO (with an implied '>'). However, since many  
browsers don't interpret it this way, even in the presence of an HTML 4.01  
Strict DOCTYPE, it is best to avoid it completely in pure HTML documents  
and reserve its use solely for those written in XHTML.
  Line 12, Column 69: character data is not allowed here
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />

✉

You have used character data somewhere it is not permitted to appear.  
Mistakes that can cause this error include:
putting text directly in the body of the document without wrapping it in a  
container element (such as a <p>aragraph</p>), or
forgetting to quote an attribute value (where characters such as "%" and  
"/" are common, but cannot appear without surrounding quotes), or
using XHTML-style self-closing tags (such as <meta ... />) in HTML 4.01 or  
earlier. To fix, remove the extra slash ('/') character. For more  
information about the reasons for this, see Empty elements in SGML, HTML,  
XML, and XHTML.
  Line 13, Column 56: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
<meta name="keywords" content="D programming language" />

✉

The sequence <FOO /> can be interpreted in at least two different ways,  
depending on the DOCTYPE of the document. For HTML 4.01 Strict, the '/'  
terminates the tag <FOO (with an implied '>'). However, since many  
browsers don't interpret it this way, even in the presence of an HTML 4.01  
Strict DOCTYPE, it is best to avoid it completely in pure HTML documents  
and reserve its use solely for those written in XHTML.
  Line 14, Column 59: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
<meta name="description" content="D Programming Language" />

✉

The sequence <FOO /> can be interpreted in at least two different ways,  
depending on the DOCTYPE of the document. For HTML 4.01 Strict, the '/'  
terminates the tag <FOO (with an implied '>'). However, since many  
browsers don't interpret it this way, even in the presence of an HTML 4.01  
Strict DOCTYPE, it is best to avoid it completely in pure HTML documents  
and reserve its use solely for those written in XHTML.
  Line 16, Column 61: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/style.css" />

✉

The sequence <FOO /> can be interpreted in at least two different ways,  
depending on the DOCTYPE of the document. For HTML 4.01 Strict, the '/'  
terminates the tag <FOO (with an implied '>'). However, since many  
browsers don't interpret it this way, even in the presence of an HTML 4.01  
Strict DOCTYPE, it is best to avoid it completely in pure HTML documents  
and reserve its use solely for those written in XHTML.
  Line 16, Column 62: character data is not allowed here
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/style.css" />

✉

You have used character data somewhere it is not permitted to appear.  
Mistakes that can cause this error include:
putting text directly in the body of the document without wrapping it in a  
container element (such as a <p>aragraph</p>), or
forgetting to quote an attribute value (where characters such as "%" and  
"/" are common, but cannot appear without surrounding quotes), or
using XHTML-style self-closing tags (such as <meta ... />) in HTML 4.01 or  
earlier. To fix, remove the extra slash ('/') character. For more  
information about the reasons for this, see Empty elements in SGML, HTML,  
XML, and XHTML.
  Line 17, Column 75: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/print.css" media="print"  
/>

✉

The sequence <FOO /> can be interpreted in at least two different ways,  
depending on the DOCTYPE of the document. For HTML 4.01 Strict, the '/'  
terminates the tag <FOO (with an implied '>'). However, since many  
browsers don't interpret it this way, even in the presence of an HTML 4.01  
Strict DOCTYPE, it is best to avoid it completely in pure HTML documents  
and reserve its use solely for those written in XHTML.
  Line 18, Column 46: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
<link rel="shortcut icon" href="favicon.ico" />

✉

The sequence <FOO /> can be interpreted in at least two different ways,  
depending on the DOCTYPE of the document. For HTML 4.01 Strict, the '/'  
terminates the tag <FOO (with an implied '>'). However, since many  
browsers don't interpret it this way, even in the presence of an HTML 4.01  
Strict DOCTYPE, it is best to avoid it completely in pure HTML documents  
and reserve its use solely for those written in XHTML.
  Line 46, Column 61: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
…arch-left.gif" width="11" height="22" /><input id="q" name="q" /><input  
type="…

✉

The sequence <FOO /> can be interpreted in at least two different ways,  
depending on the DOCTYPE of the document. For HTML 4.01 Strict, the '/'  
terminates the tag <FOO (with an implied '>'). However, since many  
browsers don't interpret it this way, even in the presence of an HTML 4.01  
Strict DOCTYPE, it is best to avoid it completely in pure HTML documents  
and reserve its use solely for those written in XHTML.
  Line 46, Column 61: required attribute "ALT" not specified
…arch-left.gif" width="11" height="22" /><input id="q" name="q" /><input  
type="…

✉

The attribute given above is required for an element that you've used, but  
you have omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types  
the "type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt"  
attribute is required for the "img" element.

Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and  
type="text/javascript" for <script>.
  Line 46, Column 86: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
… height="22" /><input id="q" name="q" /><input type="image"  
id="search-submit"…

✉

The sequence <FOO /> can be interpreted in at least two different ways,  
depending on the DOCTYPE of the document. For HTML 4.01 Strict, the '/'  
terminates the tag <FOO (with an implied '>'). However, since many  
browsers don't interpret it this way, even in the presence of an HTML 4.01  
Strict DOCTYPE, it is best to avoid it completely in pure HTML documents  
and reserve its use solely for those written in XHTML.
  Line 46, Column 172: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
…type="image" id="search-submit" name="submit"  
src="images/search-button.gif" />

✉

The sequence <FOO /> can be interpreted in at least two different ways,  
depending on the DOCTYPE of the document. For HTML 4.01 Strict, the '/'  
terminates the tag <FOO (with an implied '>'). However, since many  
browsers don't interpret it this way, even in the presence of an HTML 4.01  
Strict DOCTYPE, it is best to avoid it completely in pure HTML documents  
and reserve its use solely for those written in XHTML.
  Line 47, Column 81: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
…<input type="hidden" id="domains" name="domains"  
value="www.digitalmars.com" />

✉

The sequence <FOO /> can be interpreted in at least two different ways,  
depending on the DOCTYPE of the document. For HTML 4.01 Strict, the '/'  
terminates the tag <FOO (with an implied '>'). However, since many  
browsers don't interpret it this way, even in the presence of an HTML 4.01  
Strict DOCTYPE, it is best to avoid it completely in pure HTML documents  
and reserve its use solely for those written in XHTML.
  Line 48, Column 77: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES
			<input type="hidden" id="sourceid" name="sourceid"  
value="google-search" />

✉

The sequence <FOO /> can be interpreted in at least two different ways,  
depending on the DOCTYPE of the document. For HTML 4.01 Strict, the '/'  
terminates the tag <FOO (with an implied '>'). However, since many  
browsers don't interpret it this way, even in the presence of an HTML 4.01  
Strict DOCTYPE, it is best to avoid it completely in pure HTML documents  
and reserve its use solely for those written in XHTML.
  Line 60, Column 86: there is no attribute "BORDER"
…"logo" width="253" height="37" border="0" alt="Digital Mars"  
src="images/dmlog…

✉

You have used the attribute named above in your document, but the document  
type you are using does not support that attribute for this element. This  
error is often caused by incorrect use of the "Strict" document type with  
a document that uses frames (e.g. you must use the "Transitional" document  
type to get the "target" attribute), or by using vendor proprietary  
extensions such as "marginheight" (this is usually fixed by using CSS to  
achieve the desired effect instead).

This error may also result if the element itself is not supported in the  
document type you are using, as an undefined element will have no  
supported attributes; in this case, see the element-undefined error  
message for further information.

How to fix: check the spelling and case of the element and attribute,  
(Remember XHTML is all lower-case) and/or check that they are both allowed  
in the chosen document type, and/or use CSS instead of this attribute. If  
you received this error when using the <embed> element to incorporate  
flash media in a Web page, see the FAQ item on valid flash.
  Line 115, Column 50: required attribute "TYPE" not specified
	<div id="google_translate_element"></div><script>

✉

The attribute given above is required for an element that you've used, but  
you have omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types  
the "type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt"  
attribute is required for the "img" element.

Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and  
type="text/javascript" for <script>.
  Line 123, Column 105: required attribute "TYPE" not specified
…late.google.com/translate_a/element.js?cb=googleTranslateElementInit"></script>

✉

The attribute given above is required for an element that you've used, but  
you have omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types  
the "type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt"  
attribute is required for the "img" element.

Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and  
type="text/javascript" for <script>.
  Line 144, Column 10: document type does not allow element "CITE" here;  
missing one of "P", "H1", "H2", "H3", "H4", "H5", "H6", "PRE", "DIV",  
"ADDRESS" start-tag
</p><cite>Michael</cite></blockquote>

✉

The mentioned element is not allowed to appear in the context in which  
you've placed it; the other mentioned elements are the only ones that are  
both allowed there and can contain the element mentioned. This might mean  
that you need a containing element, or possibly that you've forgotten to  
close a previous element.

One possible cause for this message is that you have attempted to put a  
block-level element (such as "<p>" or "<table>") inside an inline element  
(such as "<a>", "<span>", or "<font>").
  Line 148, Column 10: document type does not allow element "CITE" here;  
missing one of "P", "H1", "H2", "H3", "H4", "H5", "H6", "PRE", "DIV",  
"ADDRESS" start-tag
</p><cite>Segfault</cite></blockquote>

✉

The mentioned element is not allowed to appear in the context in which  
you've placed it; the other mentioned elements are the only ones that are  
both allowed there and can contain the element mentioned. This might mean  
that you need a containing element, or possibly that you've forgotten to  
close a previous element.

One possible cause for this message is that you have attempted to put a  
block-level element (such as "<p>" or "<table>") inside an inline element  
(such as "<a>", "<span>", or "<font>").
  Line 180, Column 4: end tag for element "P" which is not open
</p>

✉

The Validator found an end tag for the above element, but that element is  
not currently open. This is often caused by a leftover end tag from an  
element that was removed during editing, or by an implicitly closed  
element (if you have an error related to an element being used where it is  
not allowed, this is almost certainly the case). In the latter case this  
error will disappear as soon as you fix the original problem.

If this error occurred in a script section of your document, you should  
probably read this FAQ entry.
  Line 204, Column 4: end tag for element "P" which is not open
</p>

✉

The Validator found an end tag for the above element, but that element is  
not currently open. This is often caused by a leftover end tag from an  
element that was removed during editing, or by an implicitly closed  
element (if you have an error related to an element being used where it is  
not allowed, this is almost certainly the case). In the latter case this  
error will disappear as soon as you fix the original problem.

If this error occurred in a script section of your document, you should  
probably read this FAQ entry.



 Sep 16 2010



prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a>  writes:


"Robert Jacques" <sandford jhu.edu> wrote in message 
news:op.vi31l1jl26stm6 sandford.myhome.westell.com...

 On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:07:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu
 <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 http://d-programming-language.org

  From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on 
 browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when 
 shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit 
 button is gone, and a few styles were changed.

 Could have sworn I sent this already, it just disappeared.


 Andrei


 Hi Andrei,
 The site still has major issues rendering with Opera (10.62). I've linked 
 to a screen-shot (http://i56.tinypic.com/wakrw5.png) This is simply not 
 usable. Given that I don't have any html experience, is there still 
 something I can do to help fix this? (because otherwise the new site looks 
 good.)


I've very little experience with Opera, but that looks like some sort of 
internal redraw problem. And the HTML is very basic-looking to me.

Some things that might help narrow it down:

- Try turning off JS and reloading. (Maybe the translate widget is screwing 
things up?)

- See if Opera has a way to choose the stylesheet to use and/or a way to 
disable style-sheets. If so, try switching to the embedded "print" 
stylesheet, and try disabling it. If opera doesn't have that ability, do 
this:

   1. Save the HTML page source.

   2. Save http://www.d-programming-language.org/css/print.css to the same 
directory.

   3. Edit the HTML page, and on this line near the top:
          <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/style.css" />
      ...change "css/style.css" to just "print.css", and open the HTML page 
in Opera. See how that looks.

   4. Edit the HTML page again and remove these two lines:
          <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="print.css" />
          <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/print.css" 
media="print" />
       ...and open it again and see how that looks.



 Sep 16 2010



 next sibling parent  David Gileadi <gileadis NSPMgmail.com>  writes:


On 9/16/10 12:59 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 "Robert Jacques"<sandford jhu.edu>  wrote in message
 news:op.vi31l1jl26stm6 sandford.myhome.westell.com...

 On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:07:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu
 <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>  wrote:


 http://d-programming-language.org

   From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on
 browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when
 shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit
 button is gone, and a few styles were changed.

 Could have sworn I sent this already, it just disappeared.


 Andrei


 Hi Andrei,
 The site still has major issues rendering with Opera (10.62). I've linked
 to a screen-shot (http://i56.tinypic.com/wakrw5.png) This is simply not
 usable. Given that I don't have any html experience, is there still
 something I can do to help fix this? (because otherwise the new site looks
 good.)


 I've very little experience with Opera, but that looks like some sort of
 internal redraw problem. And the HTML is very basic-looking to me.

 Some things that might help narrow it down:

 - Try turning off JS and reloading. (Maybe the translate widget is screwing
 things up?)

 - See if Opera has a way to choose the stylesheet to use and/or a way to
 disable style-sheets. If so, try switching to the embedded "print"
 stylesheet, and try disabling it. If opera doesn't have that ability, do
 this:

     1. Save the HTML page source.

     2. Save http://www.d-programming-language.org/css/print.css to the same
 directory.

     3. Edit the HTML page, and on this line near the top:
            <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/style.css" />
        ...change "css/style.css" to just "print.css", and open the HTML page
 in Opera. See how that looks.

     4. Edit the HTML page again and remove these two lines:
            <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="print.css" />
            <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/print.css"
 media="print" />
         ...and open it again and see how that looks.


Good suggestions.  May I also suggest sending that screenshot to the 
Opera developers? http://www.opera.com/support/bugs/



 Sep 16 2010



prev sibling  parent  "Robert Jacques" <sandford jhu.edu>  writes:


On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 03:59:03 -0400, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "Robert Jacques" <sandford jhu.edu> wrote in message
 news:op.vi31l1jl26stm6 sandford.myhome.westell.com...

 On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:07:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu
 <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 http://d-programming-language.org

  From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on
 browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when
 shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit
 button is gone, and a few styles were changed.

 Could have sworn I sent this already, it just disappeared.


 Andrei


 Hi Andrei,
 The site still has major issues rendering with Opera (10.62). I've  
 linked
 to a screen-shot (http://i56.tinypic.com/wakrw5.png) This is simply not
 usable. Given that I don't have any html experience, is there still
 something I can do to help fix this? (because otherwise the new site  
 looks
 good.)


 I've very little experience with Opera, but that looks like some sort of
 internal redraw problem. And the HTML is very basic-looking to me.

 Some things that might help narrow it down:

 - Try turning off JS and reloading. (Maybe the translate widget is  
 screwing
 things up?)


Disabling plugins or disabling JS both seemed to fix the issue.



 Sep 16 2010



prev sibling  parent  Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>  writes:


On 9/16/10 0:31 CDT, Robert Jacques wrote:

 On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:07:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu
 <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 http://d-programming-language.org

 From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on
 browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when
 shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit
 button is gone, and a few styles were changed.

 Could have sworn I sent this already, it just disappeared.


 Andrei


 Hi Andrei,
 The site still has major issues rendering with Opera (10.62). I've
 linked to a screen-shot (http://i56.tinypic.com/wakrw5.png) This is
 simply not usable. Given that I don't have any html experience, is there
 still something I can do to help fix this? (because otherwise the new
 site looks good.)


Thanks, Robert. I think we need to make sure we work with Opera at our best.

Andrei



 Sep 16 2010



prev sibling  parent  Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail>  writes:


On 10/09/2010 01:07, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 http://d-programming-language.org

  From David Gileadi: the annoying Google Translate bar behavior on
 browsers with other languages has been fixed, the behavior when
 shrinking and growing the window size has been improved, the Reddit
 button is gone, and a few styles were changed.

 Could have sworn I sent this already, it just disappeared.


 Andrei


The Translate gadget looks broken on my machine:
http://oi56.tinypic.com/2r23was.jpg
(latest Firefox, default zoom)

Also, the search section looks fugly, IMO. The text&button itself is not 
bad, but the dropdown is, and not just on aspect, but also 
functionality. I'm surprised no else commented likewise. :(

My suggestion is to remove the drop-down altogether. Let the more 
refined search scope options be available elsewhere, perhaps on the 
search results page itself. Also, we should use Google Custom Search. 
Just linking to raw google looks amateurish. That's because (amongst 
other things) the search page shows up with all the Google personalized 
homepage stuff (if you enable it for google.com). Compare: 
http://oi55.tinypic.com/350mmxc.jpg
to:
http://www.google.com/cse?q=foobar&cx=013598269713424429640%3Ag5orptiw95w&ie=UTF-8&sa=Search

Here's an example of what I'm suggesting for the search functionality, 
try it out:
http://svn.dsource.org/projects/descent/downloads/dwebpage.htm
(obviously the layout and colors are broken, I just want to demo the 
functionality, especially using Google Custom Search)

An alternative is to maintain the current behavior: and have the search 
page be presented on its own, instead of contained the D programming 
language site:
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=016833344392370455076%3Afjy38cei55c&ie=UTF-8&q=foobar&sa=Search
However I don't know how to customize the CSS for this hosted page, 
plus, when you click the scope labels, the search query changes: you get 
an annoying extra "more:library_reference" keyword one it. Meh.

Yet another alternative is to put the search text&button as a section in 
the navigation leftbar, and put the three search scopes as 3 radio 
buttion options, each on their own line... but please, no dropdown on a 
header! :S

-- 
Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer



 Oct 05 2010