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reply "Szymon Gatner" <noemail gmail.com> writes:
 From StackOverflow's 2015 Developer Survey [1]:

"For the third year in a row, we asked respondents which 
operating system they use the most. Windows maintains the lion's 
share of the developer operating system market, while Mac appears 
to have overtaken the Linuxes among active Stack Overflow devs.

Linux may be a small player on the consumer market, with just 
1.5% of global desktop operating system share, but it's a go-to 
OS for developers."

Interestingly, from the "Text editor" question we learn that most 
used ones are "NotePad++" and "Sublime Text" (and not Visual 
Studio) which I know are favs among webdevelopers that are not 
used to IDEs (as debugging happens in web browsers).

This correlates with with "Most popular technologies" results too.

To sum up:

Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself ;)


[1]http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015
Apr 08 2015
next sibling parent reply "Jens Bauer" <doctor who.no> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 From StackOverflow's 2015 Developer Survey [1]:
 Mac appears to have overtaken the Linuxes among active Stack 
 Overflow devs.
 [1]http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015


If they wanted to have some more reliable numbers, they would 
make a web-page that shows a little more than an image of the 
Stackoverflow logo in some Web-browsers...
-That's all I see.
Apr 08 2015
parent "Szymon Gatner" <noemail gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 10:34:19 UTC, Jens Bauer wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 From StackOverflow's 2015 Developer Survey [1]:
 Mac appears to have overtaken the Linuxes among active Stack 
 Overflow devs.
 [1]http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015


 If they wanted to have some more reliable numbers, they would 
 make a web-page that shows a little more than an image of the 
 Stackoverflow logo in some Web-browsers...
 -That's all I see.


Works fine in Chrome and IE. I kindof doubt Joel Solsky can't do 
a wepage right
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "thedeemon" <dlang thedeemon.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 From StackOverflow's 2015 Developer Survey [1]:



 Interestingly, from the "Text editor" question we learn that 
 most used ones are "NotePad++" and "Sublime Text" (and not 
 Visual Studio) which I know are favs among webdevelopers that 
 are not used to IDEs (as debugging happens in web browsers).


I suspect in the list of text editors IDEs were not listed, they 
probably were in another question.
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech-tabsspaces 
heh
Apr 08 2015
parent reply "Szymon Gatner" <noemail gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:00:35 UTC, Kagamin wrote:

 http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech-tabsspaces 
 heh


Yeah :) "huh" must be younger devs?
Apr 08 2015
next sibling parent "Idan Arye" <GenericNPC gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:18:14 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:00:35 UTC, Kagamin wrote:

 http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech-tabsspaces 
 heh


 Yeah :) "huh" must be younger devs?


Might explain Go...
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:18:14 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:00:35 UTC, Kagamin wrote:

 http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech-tabsspaces 
 heh


 Yeah :) "huh" must be younger devs?


Once upon a time, as MS-DOS was still the PC OS to go, I had to 
go through a Turbo C 2.0 project fixing indentation, *manually* 
as doing automatically no better given the state.

Since then, I always favor spaces over tabs. One space is always 
one space.

--
Paulo
Apr 08 2015
parent reply "Szymon Gatner" <noemail gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:34:06 UTC, Paulo  Pinto wrote:

 Since then, I always favor spaces over tabs. One space is 
 always one space.


Not to start a war but agreed ;) 2 spaces (specifically) FTW!
Apr 08 2015
parent reply Marco Leise <Marco.Leise gmx.de> writes:
Am Wed, 08 Apr 2015 13:05:01 +0000
schrieb "Szymon Gatner" <noemail gmail.com>:


 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:34:06 UTC, Paulo  Pinto wrote:

 Since then, I always favor spaces over tabs. One space is 
 always one space.


 
 Not to start a war but agreed ;) 2 spaces (specifically) FTW!


You see, there's the reason why we tab users use tabs.

-- 
Marco
Apr 09 2015
parent "Moritz Maxeiner" <moritz ucworks.org> writes:
On Thursday, 9 April 2015 at 18:28:46 UTC, Marco Leise wrote:

 Am Wed, 08 Apr 2015 13:05:01 +0000
 schrieb "Szymon Gatner" <noemail gmail.com>:


 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 12:34:06 UTC, Paulo  Pinto wrote:

 Since then, I always favor spaces over tabs. One space is 
 always one space.


 
 Not to start a war but agreed ;) 2 spaces (specifically) FTW!


 You see, there's the reason why we tab users use tabs.


Even though I will probably get the same response as shown here 
[1], I consider the most sensible (and imho the technically 
correct) way to be both:
- Tabs for indentation, because one tab is always one indentation 
level, regardless of the actual visual width.
- Spaces for alignment, because inside one indentation level you 
should be able to align code without interacting with the 
indentation level at all, keeping the two separate.

This way allows any reader to always have correct indentation and 
alignment, while still being able to choose how wide one 
indentation level should be rendered as.

As such: Smart Tabs FTW!

[1] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SmartTabs
Apr 12 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "bachmeier" <no spam.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 To sum up:

 Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself ;)


We could turn that around: Windows developers, please step up to 
contribute to the development of D.
Apr 08 2015
next sibling parent "Dicebot" <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 15:41:42 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 To sum up:

 Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself ;)


 We could turn that around: Windows developers, please step up 
 to contribute to the development of D.


Which is the only way more attention to Windows development can 
realistically happen.
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Charles" <csmith.ku2013 gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 15:41:42 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 To sum up:

 Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself ;)


 We could turn that around: Windows developers, please step up 
 to contribute to the development of D.


I don't know if that's necessarily fair. I asked last week about
finding the Win32 API for D. It exists, but it hasn't been
touched in awhile, and still exists on dsource (not
code.dlang.org). We have core.sys.windows.windows, but it's
pretty terrible atm in this front.
Apr 08 2015
parent reply "Dicebot" <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:03:12 UTC, Charles wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 15:41:42 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner 
 wrote:

 To sum up:

 Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself 
 ;)


 We could turn that around: Windows developers, please step up 
 to contribute to the development of D.


 I don't know if that's necessarily fair. I asked last week about
 finding the Win32 API for D. It exists, but it hasn't been
 touched in awhile, and still exists on dsource (not
 code.dlang.org). We have core.sys.windows.windows, but it's
 pretty terrible atm in this front.


So who is going to do the pull request? One of those Linux 
developers I presume? :)
Apr 08 2015
parent reply "Adam D. Ruppe" <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:08:44 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 So who is going to do the pull request? One of those Linux 
 developers I presume? :)


I actually came close to it, but it ended up being a bit of a 
pain. The easiest thing would be to just shove the win32.* 
packages in the zip, but then you ahve the hassle of HANDLE being 
different in core.sys.windows.windows and win32... and I wanted 
to merge them but it wasn't as easy as it should be, then other 
stuff came up.

But maybe the path of least resistance is worth doing. Or perhaps 
the core.sys.windows could simply import win32 instead of 
adapting them.... hmmm. That's tempting.

tho then I hit the problem of me having three jobs already and 
don't have a lot of time
Apr 08 2015
parent "Charles" <csmith.ku2013 gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:13:22 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:08:44 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 So who is going to do the pull request? One of those Linux 
 developers I presume? :)


 I actually came close to it, but it ended up being a bit of a 
 pain. The easiest thing would be to just shove the win32.* 
 packages in the zip, but then you ahve the hassle of HANDLE 
 being different in core.sys.windows.windows and win32... and I 
 wanted to merge them but it wasn't as easy as it should be, 
 then other stuff came up.

 But maybe the path of least resistance is worth doing. Or 
 perhaps the core.sys.windows could simply import win32 instead 
 of adapting them.... hmmm. That's tempting.

 tho then I hit the problem of me having three jobs already and 
 don't have a lot of time


I'm of the opposite end, where I have the time; however, I don't 
understand exactly what needs done. I've been meaning to get more 
familiar with the Win32 API anyhow. Perhaps we could tag team 
this? Feel free to get a hold of me if you're interested.
Apr 09 2015
prev sibling parent reply "weaselcat" <weaselcat gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 From StackOverflow's 2015 Developer Survey [1]:

 "For the third year in a row, we asked respondents which 
 operating system they use the most. Windows maintains the 
 lion's share of the developer operating system market, while 
 Mac appears to have overtaken the Linuxes among active Stack 
 Overflow devs.

 Linux may be a small player on the consumer market, with just 
 1.5% of global desktop operating system share, but it's a go-to 
 OS for developers."

 Interestingly, from the "Text editor" question we learn that 
 most used ones are "NotePad++" and "Sublime Text" (and not 
 Visual Studio) which I know are favs among webdevelopers that 
 are not used to IDEs (as debugging happens in web browsers).

 This correlates with with "Most popular technologies" results 
 too.

 To sum up:

 Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself ;)


 [1]http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015


Poll has a windows bias due to stackoverflows focus on .NET, 
which is extremely overrepresented on SO(see: redmonk)
Apr 08 2015
next sibling parent "Szymon Gatner" <noemail gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:19:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Poll has a windows bias due to stackoverflows focus on .NET, 
 which is extremely overrepresented on SO(see: redmonk)


Even if there is a bias how large can it be? It is not few % 
difference in the poll results.
Apr 09 2015
prev sibling parent "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:19:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 08:59:04 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 From StackOverflow's 2015 Developer Survey [1]:

 "For the third year in a row, we asked respondents which 
 operating system they use the most. Windows maintains the 
 lion's share of the developer operating system market, while 
 Mac appears to have overtaken the Linuxes among active Stack 
 Overflow devs.

 Linux may be a small player on the consumer market, with just 
 1.5% of global desktop operating system share, but it's a 
 go-to OS for developers."

 Interestingly, from the "Text editor" question we learn that 
 most used ones are "NotePad++" and "Sublime Text" (and not 
 Visual Studio) which I know are favs among webdevelopers that 
 are not used to IDEs (as debugging happens in web browsers).

 This correlates with with "Most popular technologies" results 
 too.

 To sum up:

 Please give more attention to Windows developers like myself ;)


 [1]http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015


 Poll has a windows bias due to stackoverflows focus on .NET, 
 which is extremely overrepresented on SO(see: redmonk)


Most of the enterprise developers are on Windows, even when 
targeting UNIX, it is not only .NET.

Unless one is doing plain C or C++ with their bare bones runtime 
libraries, there are plenty of languages that allow for such 
workflow.

--
Paulo
Apr 09 2015