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reply Sergey <kornburn yandex.ru> writes:
https://nim-lang.org/araq/nimony.html

Though some people already said their concerns about real "WCET" 
and that it more looks like a marketing bs..
But in general there was positive sentiment about proposed changes
May 05
parent reply Kapendev <alexandroskapretsos gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 08:35:01 UTC, Sergey wrote:

 https://nim-lang.org/araq/nimony.html

 Though some people already said their concerns about real 
 "WCET" and that it more looks like a marketing bs..
 But in general there was positive sentiment about proposed 
 changes


I'm in the Nim Discord server and I still don't know what Nimony 
is.
There is a lesson here about focusing on things that don't matter 
to most users, but ehh.
May 05
parent reply ryuukk_ <ryuukk.dev gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 09:38:24 UTC, Kapendev wrote:

 On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 08:35:01 UTC, Sergey wrote:

 https://nim-lang.org/araq/nimony.html

 Though some people already said their concerns about real 
 "WCET" and that it more looks like a marketing bs..
 But in general there was positive sentiment about proposed 
 changes


 I'm in the Nim Discord server and I still don't know what 
 Nimony is.



It's a compiler rewrite, for Nim 3.0, literally the first 
sentence on that document


 There is a lesson here about focusing on things that don't 
 matter to most users, but ehh.



huh?

- compiler performance
- incremental recompilation
- better error handling
- better concurrency & parallelism

is that what you call "things" that don't matter to "most users"?

"most users" must not be serious people ;)

anyways, i'm now very curious about nim 3.0
May 05
next sibling parent reply Derek Fawcus <dfawcus+dlang employees.org> writes:
On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 13:08:25 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:

 It's a compiler rewrite,


Hasn't there already been an attempt, possibly two, to write new 
D front ends?

They appear to have stalled, maybe failed, or are they still 
ongoing?
May 05
parent Sergey <kornburn yandex.ru> writes:
On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 13:34:41 UTC, Derek Fawcus wrote:

 On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 13:08:25 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:

 It's a compiler rewrite,


 Hasn't there already been an attempt, possibly two, to write 
 new D front ends?

 They appear to have stalled, maybe failed, or are they still 
 ongoing?


SDL is still ongoing project
But not so many people involved in this project
May 05
prev sibling parent reply Kapendev <alexandroskapretsos gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 13:08:25 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:

 On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 09:38:24 UTC, Kapendev wrote:

 On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 08:35:01 UTC, Sergey wrote:

 https://nim-lang.org/araq/nimony.html




 It's a compiler rewrite, for Nim 3.0, literally the first 
 sentence on that document


You say that, but it is more than that. Maybe you should read 
more than just the first sentence.


 - compiler performance
 - incremental recompilation
 - better error handling
 - better concurrency & parallelism

 is that what you call "things" that don't matter to "most 
 users"?


Do you need a new compiler/transpiler to add better error 
handling? Everything you listed can be added to the current Nim 
implementation.


 "most users" must not be serious people ;)


You have to sell a change to your users. This blog does not do 
that. Most users also care about a stable language and good UX. 
Nim had a new version recently that was a bit rushed and this new 
change also introduces breaking changes. Breaking stuff can be 
OK, depends on the context, but Nim is breaking stuff too often 
right now.
May 05
parent Dennis <dkorpel gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 5 May 2025 at 17:05:13 UTC, Kapendev wrote:

 You say that, but it is more than that. Maybe you should read 
 more than just the first sentence.


Please don't get snarky, let's keep the discussion civil. Thanks!
May 05