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digitalmars.D - NNTP rules, news.digitalmars.com sucks

reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
I love the newsgroup interface.

I hate it when it starts saying shit like "load = 2045 gt 2000.  Please  
try again later"  Especially when I'm posting a message.

Is this a common problem with news servers?  Is there some way to fix this?

-Steve
Mar 05 2012
next sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 3/5/12 2:33 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 I love the newsgroup interface.

 I hate it when it starts saying shit like "load = 2045 gt 2000. Please
 try again later" Especially when I'm posting a message.

 Is this a common problem with news servers? Is there some way to fix this?


I think it's a configuration on the news server that indicates it's 
overloaded. Probably it's time to scale up a bit (bigger machine or a 
second machine).

This affects the Web interface too, if the NNTP server is too loaded it 
can't serve the Web interface either.


Andrei
Mar 05 2012
prev sibling parent reply Gour <gour atmarama.net> writes:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:33:24 -0500
"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote:


 Is this a common problem with news servers?  Is there some way to fix
 this?


I regularly post to news groups from my mailer (Claws) and never had a
single problem like you quoted above.


Sincerely,
Gour


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Mar 06 2012
parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Tuesday, 6 March 2012 at 10:22:15 UTC, Gour wrote:

 On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:33:24 -0500
 "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote:


 Is this a common problem with news servers?  Is there some way 
 to fix
 this?


 I regularly post to news groups from my mailer (Claws) and 
 never had a
 single problem like you quoted above.


That only means you don't post enough ;)

It's a problem well-known by regulars.

(An alternative explanation might be that your client might be 
placing the message in the outbox and retrying automatically in 
the background.)
Mar 06 2012
next sibling parent Gour <gour atmarama.net> writes:
On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:30:00 +0100
"Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> wrote:


 That only means you don't post enough ;)


OK, I'll try to improve. ;)


 (An alternative explanation might be that your client might be=20
 placing the message in the outbox and retrying automatically in=20
 the background.)


Claws informs me when not being able to post and when it puts message in
a queue.


Sincerely,
Gour


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Thus the wise living entity's pure consciousness becomes covered by=20
his eternal enemy in the form of lust, which is never satisfied and=20
which burns like fire.

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Mar 06 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
On 06/03/2012 10:30, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
<snip>

 (An alternative explanation might be that your client might be placing the
message in the
 outbox and retrying automatically in the background.)


It's a plausible explanation if it's the kind of error that happens _only_ on
posting. 
But no program can do this when reading a 'group and make it look to the user
as if a 
message has been downloaded when it hasn't.

Though one possibility is that some newsreader polls the server at intervals in
the 
background and automatically downloads all messages.  Then you might notice
only when you 
manually trigger a poll, or when you try to read a message that hasn't
downloaded because 
the connection crashed between downloading new headers and downloading the
message body.

Though a well-made newsreader would still indicate to the user in some way that
there's 
been a problem, as much as it may try to lessen the inconvenience to the user.

Stewart.
Mar 07 2012
prev sibling parent reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 05:30:00 -0500, Vladimir Panteleev  
<vladimir thecybershadow.net> wrote:


 On Tuesday, 6 March 2012 at 10:22:15 UTC, Gour wrote:

 On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:33:24 -0500
 "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote:


 Is this a common problem with news servers?  Is there some way to fix
 this?


 I regularly post to news groups from my mailer (Claws) and never had a
 single problem like you quoted above.


 That only means you don't post enough ;)

 It's a problem well-known by regulars.


Do you mean a well known NNTP problem or just for our newsgroups?  I'd be  
crazy to think that digitalmars is the largest online NNTP community ever,  
right?  I wouldn't know, because this is the only newsgroup I use...

-Steve
Mar 07 2012
next sibling parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 08:01:48AM -0500, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 05:30:00 -0500, Vladimir Panteleev
 <vladimir thecybershadow.net> wrote:
 

On Tuesday, 6 March 2012 at 10:22:15 UTC, Gour wrote:

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:33:24 -0500
"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote:


Is this a common problem with news servers?  Is there some way to fix
this?


I regularly post to news groups from my mailer (Claws) and never had a
single problem like you quoted above.


That only means you don't post enough ;)

It's a problem well-known by regulars.


 
 Do you mean a well known NNTP problem or just for our newsgroups?


This:


 I'd be crazy to think that digitalmars is the largest online NNTP
 community ever, right?


ROTFLMAO!!! That would certainly be the day, when D forums can lay
claims to being the largest NNTP community online. That would be when D
takes over the world. :D



 I wouldn't know, because this is the only newsgroup I use...


[...]

D newsgroups are really tame and low-volume, in comparison with the rest
of Usenet. And I mean, really, really, REALLY tame. There's some crazy
wild stuff going on out there in Usenet land.


T

-- 
If the comments and the code disagree, it's likely that *both* are wrong. --
Christopher
Mar 07 2012
parent Gour <gour atmarama.net> writes:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 07:59:10 -0800
"H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> wrote:


 ROTFLMAO!!! That would certainly be the day, when D forums can lay
 claims to being the largest NNTP community online. That would be when
 D takes over the world. :D


Well, at the moment digitalmars.D is the biggest newsgroup (number of
messages) which I follow with wxwidgets-devel being the 2nd one.


Sincerely,
Gour


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All the liberated souls in ancient times acted with this=20
understanding of My transcendental nature. Therefore you should=20
perform your duty, following in their footsteps.

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Mar 07 2012
prev sibling parent "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 7 March 2012 at 13:01:48 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer 
wrote:

 Do you mean a well known NNTP problem or just for our 
 newsgroups?


Just the DigitalMars NNTP server. The server will refuse to 
accept new connections when the system load is above a certain 
threshold.
Mar 07 2012