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reply Yatheendra <3df4 gmail.ru> writes:
Hi [D-zens?],

This is a newbie's opinion, but I believe I'm only echoing older 
forum messages when I say that ... the General forum is too 
varied in the types of posts it gets. I mean, not just posts that 
should be in Learn, but also fairly advanced topics that 
lurkers-turned-tentative-triers need to filter out initially 
(debates on core semantics & DIPs jump to mind).

How about a Pro forum for active users, compiler implementors, 
expert observers? The idea seems to have worked for Common Lisp, 
see:
https://mailman.common-lisp.net/listinfo/pro

Just a thought.
Yatheendra

P.S: D people: It might sound frivolous, but Rust people are 
Rusticeans, Ruby people are Rubyists, Python people are 
Pythonistas, Go people are Golangers ... any interest in a term 
for yourselves? Dlangers? D-zens (denizens of D)? Or better off 
untagged like the C/C++ crowd!
Jul 04 2019
next sibling parent reply Yatheendra <3df4 gmail.ru> writes:
I forgot. The Pro forum would probably also not get 'D is dead' 
posts, so it might be a more constructive home for the sort of 
discussions the stakeholders thrive on.
Jul 04 2019
parent reply a11e99z <black80 bk.ru> writes:
On Friday, 5 July 2019 at 05:19:06 UTC, Yatheendra wrote:

 I forgot. The Pro forum would probably also not get 'D is dead' 
 posts, so it might be a more constructive home for the sort of 
 discussions the stakeholders thrive on.


forums like Math, Enterprise, Multimedia, Clouds, BareMetal, 
Mobile, AI, Web, Jobs..
adding it to NNTP - no problem. it can be done when more(10x?) 
people will come.
but web forum is not comfortable already.
and when more people will come:
- web forum in current view will become unbearable for more 
threads.
- need some antiflood and karma system: less karma(toxic, hater) 
or too much messages for last XXmin period (maybe I am drunken 
and I want to talk at each forum) - fewer messages per next 
hour(go to sleep and relax) or day(just think before type keys)
- need "thumb up/down", "funny/sad" smiles: post with many thumb 
ups worth more attention. for now what is good what is not - u 
should read all and decide yourself. probably smiles for 
sentences not for whole post - I agree with one proposal from 
post and disagree with other, I do not want to comment it just 
like/dislike.
- need vote system. 100baremetal problem or 100000web? which is 
more valuable? which can be solved with less blood or faster? you 
can't make decision for it on the basis of 10 posts, because it 
writes only every 10th man, others are readers most part of time 
but like/dislike can set every 2nd.
- so need some counters too: how many reads/likes for post, how 
many posts/thumbups for person

and this needed not for social network a-la FB, this needed for D 
society what is made up of humans
Jul 04 2019
parent a11e99z <black80 bk.ru> writes:
On Friday, 5 July 2019 at 06:55:14 UTC, a11e99z wrote:

 On Friday, 5 July 2019 at 05:19:06 UTC, Yatheendra wrote:
 but web forum is not comfortable already.


https://pasteboard.co/Imx88Tn.png
Russian Software Developer Network forums is more comfortable for 
me:
- more useful info per page
- like/dislike, smiles, karma, bannes
- articles, books, jobs, code sharing and more

u can come and see it https://rsdn.org with Google Chrome browser 
with automatic page translation

maybe transfer D-forums at some common forum site that 
holds/control it for some small payment or buy/take some forum 
engine..
Jul 05 2019
prev sibling next sibling parent Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:
On Friday, 5 July 2019 at 05:15:13 UTC, Yatheendra wrote:

 I mean, not just posts that should be in Learn, but also fairly 
 advanced topics that lurkers-turned-tentative-triers need to 
 filter out initially (debates on core semantics & DIPs jump to 
 mind).


Advanced topics are must read.


 P.S: D people: It might sound frivolous, but Rust people are 
 Rusticeans, Ruby people are Rubyists, Python people are 
 Pythonistas, Go people are Golangers ... any interest in a term 
 for yourselves? Dlangers? D-zens (denizens of D)? Or better off 
 untagged like the C/C++ crowd!


D programmers.
Jul 05 2019
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Greatsam4sure <greatsam4sure gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 5 July 2019 at 05:15:13 UTC, Yatheendra wrote:

 Hi [D-zens?],

 This is a newbie's opinion, but I believe I'm only echoing 
 older forum messages when I say that ... the General forum is 
 too varied in the types of posts it gets. I mean, not just 
 posts that should be in Learn, but also fairly advanced topics 
 that lurkers-turned-tentative-triers need to filter out 
 initially (debates on core semantics & DIPs jump to mind).

 How about a Pro forum for active users, compiler implementors, 
 expert observers? The idea seems to have worked for Common 
 Lisp, see:
 https://mailman.common-lisp.net/listinfo/pro

 Just a thought.
 Yatheendra

 P.S: D people: It might sound frivolous, but Rust people are 
 Rusticeans, Ruby people are Rubyists, Python people are 
 Pythonistas, Go people are Golangers ... any interest in a term 
 for yourselves? Dlangers? D-zens (denizens of D)? Or better off 
 untagged like the C/C++ crowd!




It is a welcome idea for me. The full power of D is known by few. 
The books are not details enough. A place where users can request 
for or learn advance D is welcome.
Jul 05 2019
parent reply Guillaume Piolat <first.last gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 5 July 2019 at 10:11:58 UTC, Greatsam4sure wrote:

 It is a welcome idea for me. The full power of D is known by 
 few. The books are not details enough. A place where users can 
 request for or learn advance D is welcome.


Try https://p0nce.github.io/d-idioms/

Not _that_ advanced, but this might get you basic knowledge that 
is assumed of a D programmer.
Jul 05 2019
parent Yatheendra <3df4 gmail.ru> writes:
On Friday, 5 July 2019 at 10:53:38 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:

 Try https://p0nce.github.io/d-idioms/

 Not _that_ advanced, but this might get you basic knowledge 
 that is assumed of a D programmer.


And for more basic but critical content (which can be learnt by 
trial 'n error, but really is neater when spelt out beforehand) 
is Ali Cehreli's older talk:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE
This one made a big difference to me, in understanding the 
brouhaha over 'const' in these forums; I guess Razvan Nitu's copy 
constructor talk is logically next.
Jul 05 2019
prev sibling next sibling parent reply XavierAP <n3minis-git yahoo.es> writes:
On Friday, 5 July 2019 at 05:15:13 UTC, Yatheendra wrote:

 This is a newbie's opinion, but I believe I'm only echoing 
 older forum messages when I say that ... the General forum is 
 too varied in the types of posts it gets.


I completely agree. I think most people use via mailing list and 
don't care and filter threads on their side, so it hasn't been 
addressed. But you see it's a real issue and can put off many 
newcomers. Because the current user base prefers mailing lists, 
the forum view is poor; but the consequence is that people who 
don't prefer mailing lists (younger?) are driven off. Whereas it 
would be very easy to fix the forum and leave the mailing list 
side working the same. On the other hand I wouldn't expect 
features not compatible with the plain mailing list e.g. karma 
but that's just bells and whistles.

General should be split, IMO first between Dlang-related and 
off-topic (even related to other languages, CS, work culture, 
etc.) Among Dlang general posts there should also be separate 
boards for procedural (e.g. DIP reviews) and informal discussion.

Announce should also be split between project releases, jobs, 
other, etc. The rest of forums are underused, probably too much 
split over here in comparison.
Jul 06 2019
parent Yatheendra <3df4 gmail.ru> writes:
On Saturday, 6 July 2019 at 07:35:50 UTC, XavierAP wrote:

 I completely agree. I think most people use via mailing list 
 and don't care and filter threads on their side, so it hasn't 
 been addressed. But you see it's a real issue and can put off 
 many newcomers. Because the current user base prefers mailing 
 lists, the forum view is poor; but the consequence is that 
 people who don't prefer mailing lists (younger?) are driven off.
 ...


I get your point about NNTP users getting a Pro forum experience 
client-side.

Newcomers likely are used to GNU Mailman archive viewing on the 
web, and this forum comes across as a more efficient interface 
(it uses the message threading in underlying NNTP better). So I'm 
not talking about the presentation at all. In fact, unless there 
is a good NNTP client on mobile, this forum is great on mobile. 
But that audience on mobile might like all content on General to 
be approachable, and a Pro forum could be peeked into whenever it 
makes sense.
Jul 06 2019
prev sibling parent JN <666total wp.pl> writes:
On Friday, 5 July 2019 at 05:15:13 UTC, Yatheendra wrote:

 Hi [D-zens?],

 This is a newbie's opinion, but I believe I'm only echoing 
 older forum messages when I say that ... the General forum is 
 too varied in the types of posts it gets. I mean, not just 
 posts that should be in Learn, but also fairly advanced topics 
 that lurkers-turned-tentative-triers need to filter out 
 initially (debates on core semantics & DIPs jump to mind).


I agree. I think a good place to start would be to separate 
Announcements into official announcements (new D version, new DIP 
approved, new team members) and ecosystem announcements (new 
library version, new tutorial series, new website about D).

Another section that I'd love to see is something like "What are 
people working on" or "Projects under development". A place where 
people share their WIP projects they're working on. Right now 
there's no place for such projects. Learn doesn't fit it, 
Announcements is for finished projects and General is more for 
language discussions. I think it would be great for the community 
to be able to see what others are using D for and be able to 
comment on that. Remember dsource? http://dsource.org/projects/ 
Look how many exciting projects there were. Sure, most of them 
didn't go anywhere, but it was nice to see what people are trying 
to do. Same for dsource forums - http://dsource.org/forums/ so 
much fun activity and discussion of projects.
Jul 07 2019