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reply "Adam D. Ruppe" <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
I was recently involved in a stack overflow question about mac os:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12832241/cant-install-dmd-2-060-on-os-x-10-6-8/12897850

I gave my usual answer of "just use the zip" which solved the 
problem there, but perhaps there's something we can do to improve 
the installer so people who do use it can have an easier time.

I don't know anything about the Mac though, so there's nothing 
more I can do except punt it to someone else... so here I am.
Oct 22 2012
next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2012-10-22 15:45, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 I was recently involved in a stack overflow question about mac os:

 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12832241/cant-install-dmd-2-060-on-os-x-10-6-8/12897850


 I gave my usual answer of "just use the zip" which solved the problem
 there, but perhaps there's something we can do to improve the installer
 so people who do use it can have an easier time.

 I don't know anything about the Mac though, so there's nothing more I
 can do except punt it to someone else... so here I am.


http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=8682

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Oct 22 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2012-10-22 15:45, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 I was recently involved in a stack overflow question about mac os:

 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12832241/cant-install-dmd-2-060-on-os-x-10-6-8/12897850


 I gave my usual answer of "just use the zip" which solved the problem
 there, but perhaps there's something we can do to improve the installer
 so people who do use it can have an easier time.

 I don't know anything about the Mac though, so there's nothing more I
 can do except punt it to someone else... so here I am.


Could you try this installer (or relay the information to stackoverflow):

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/18386187/dmd-2.060-osx-installer.zip

I built it on Mac OS X 10.6.3.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Oct 23 2012
next sibling parent "Adam D. Ruppe" <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 23 October 2012 at 09:15:37 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 Could you try this installer (or relay the information to 
 stackoverflow):


Thanks! I don't have a mac so can't test myself, but I forwarded 
it to the SO person.
Oct 23 2012
prev sibling parent reply "Elias Zamaria" <mikez302 gmail.com> writes:
I am trying to upgrade to DMD 2.061. What am I supposed to do? I 
tried running the installer but I got the same error I got the 
last time (see 
http://forum.dlang.org/thread/yrcyfaalimocuovsvgqo forum.dlang.org 
or 
http://forum.dlang.org/thread/bug-8682-3 http.d.puremagic.com/issues/).

Jacob, do I need you to custom-make a non-broken installer like 
you did for 2.060? Is that something I can realistically do 
myself if I don't know much about D or OS X installers? Why isn't 
something like this on the download page?

I downloaded the zip 
(http://downloads.dlang.org.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/release
/2013/dmd.2.061.zip 
. Is this the right one?) but I don't know what to do with it. I 
am guessing some stuff should go in /usr/bin and some other stuff 
should go in /usr/share but I don't know what.

Can anyone help me with this?
Jan 07 2013
next sibling parent reply "Joshua Niehus" <jm.niehus gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 8 January 2013 at 04:00:25 UTC, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 Can anyone help me with this?


Do you have Xcode installed?
If so, do you have "Command Line Tools" installed?
Otherwise, you'll need to install Xcode (free from app store), 
then:
Open Xcode -> Preferences -> Downloads -> Components -> Command 
Line Tools

related thread:
http://forum.dlang.org/thread/nxawipcegdmbkqkalkhv forum.dlang.org
Jan 07 2013
next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-01-08 05:57, Joshua Niehus wrote:

 On Tuesday, 8 January 2013 at 04:00:25 UTC, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 Can anyone help me with this?


 Do you have Xcode installed?
 If so, do you have "Command Line Tools" installed?
 Otherwise, you'll need to install Xcode (free from app store), then:
 Open Xcode -> Preferences -> Downloads -> Components -> Command Line Tools


He's running Mac OS X 10.6 with a pretty old version of Xcode, i.e. 
before App Store. This version of Xcode installs the command line tools 
when Xcode itself is installed.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 07 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Elias Zamaria" <mikez302 gmail.com> writes:
I don't have Xcode. I will try installing it and seeing how it 
influences the D installer.

On Tuesday, 8 January 2013 at 04:58:00 UTC, Joshua Niehus wrote:

 On Tuesday, 8 January 2013 at 04:00:25 UTC, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 Can anyone help me with this?


 Do you have Xcode installed?
 If so, do you have "Command Line Tools" installed?
 Otherwise, you'll need to install Xcode (free from app store), 
 then:
 Open Xcode -> Preferences -> Downloads -> Components -> Command 
 Line Tools

 related thread:
 http://forum.dlang.org/thread/nxawipcegdmbkqkalkhv forum.dlang.org
Jan 13 2013
next sibling parent reply "Elias Zamaria" <mikez302 gmail.com> writes:
I tried getting it from the app store and got an error dialog 
saying "Xcode can't be installed on Macintosh HD because Mac OS X 
version 10.7.4 or later is required.". I am trying to find an 
older version that will work on 10.6 but so far I haven't found a 
way to get it without creating an Apple Developer account. I am 
not sure if I am willing to do that.

On Monday, 14 January 2013 at 05:28:50 UTC, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 I don't have Xcode. I will try installing it and seeing how it 
 influences the D installer.

 On Tuesday, 8 January 2013 at 04:58:00 UTC, Joshua Niehus wrote:

 On Tuesday, 8 January 2013 at 04:00:25 UTC, Elias Zamaria 
 wrote:

 Can anyone help me with this?


 Do you have Xcode installed?
 If so, do you have "Command Line Tools" installed?
 Otherwise, you'll need to install Xcode (free from app store), 
 then:
 Open Xcode -> Preferences -> Downloads -> Components -> 
 Command Line Tools

 related thread:
 http://forum.dlang.org/thread/nxawipcegdmbkqkalkhv forum.dlang.org
Jan 13 2013
parent reply Russel Winder <russel winder.org.uk> writes:
On Mon, 2013-01-14 at 06:32 +0100, Elias Zamaria wrote:

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 older version that will work on 10.6 but so far I haven't found a=20
 way to get it without creating an Apple Developer account. I am=20
 not sure if I am willing to do that.


I am having a similar problem trying to get Xcode 4 for Snow Leopard.
Clearly Apple's policy is that anything other than currently purchasable
hardware is out-of-date legacy and should be immediately disposed of, to
be replaced with something new and shiny. Not what I would call quality
customer care.

Getting an Apple Developer account will almost certainly be necessary to
get Xcode. I recollect having to sign up, but nothing bad has happened
because of it as far as I know.

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Jan 13 2013
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-01-14 08:38, Russel Winder wrote:


 I am having a similar problem trying to get Xcode 4 for Snow Leopard.
 Clearly Apple's policy is that anything other than currently purchasable
 hardware is out-of-date legacy and should be immediately disposed of, to
 be replaced with something new and shiny. Not what I would call quality
 customer care.


Xcode is not available on Snow Leopard. Perhaps that's what you're saying.


 Getting an Apple Developer account will almost certainly be necessary to
 get Xcode. I recollect having to sign up, but nothing bad has happened
 because of it as far as I know.


Yes, you need a free developer account. It might work with an iTunes/App 
Store account as well.

Older versions of Xcode are available here:

https://developer.apple.com/downloads/index.action

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 14 2013
parent reply Russel Winder <russel winder.org.uk> writes:
On Mon, 2013-01-14 at 09:11 +0100, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
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 Xcode is not available on Snow Leopard. Perhaps that's what you're saying=


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I have Xcode 3, but cannot find a way of getting Xcode 4 for Snow
Leopard.

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Jan 14 2013
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-01-14 09:28, Russel Winder wrote:

 On Mon, 2013-01-14 at 09:11 +0100, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
 […]

 Xcode is not available on Snow Leopard. Perhaps that's what you're saying.


 I have Xcode 3, but cannot find a way of getting Xcode 4 for Snow
 Leopard.


Because it's not available for Snow Leopard.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 14 2013
parent Russel Winder <russel winder.org.uk> writes:
On Mon, 2013-01-14 at 09:51 +0100, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
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That'll be why then.

I spent some money getting a Lion flash drive, we'll see if I can
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Jan 14 2013
prev sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-01-14 06:28, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 I don't have Xcode. I will try installing it and seeing how it
 influences the D installer.


You do need Xcode regardless of how you install D. You can download 
older versions here:

https://developer.apple.com/downloads/index.action

Search for "Xcode" and go to the third page. I think you should be able 
to run the latest version of Xcode 3.

Make sure you install the command line tools.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 13 2013
prev sibling parent reply "Elias Zamaria" <mikez302 gmail.com> writes:
I found my OS X DVD and tried to install Xcode, but I am getting 
a similar "The installation failed" error. If I manage to install 
it, I will post here about whether I still have problems 
installing DMD.

On Tuesday, 8 January 2013 at 04:58:00 UTC, Joshua Niehus wrote:

 On Tuesday, 8 January 2013 at 04:00:25 UTC, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 Can anyone help me with this?


 Do you have Xcode installed?
 If so, do you have "Command Line Tools" installed?
 Otherwise, you'll need to install Xcode (free from app store), 
 then:
 Open Xcode -> Preferences -> Downloads -> Components -> Command 
 Line Tools

 related thread:
 http://forum.dlang.org/thread/nxawipcegdmbkqkalkhv forum.dlang.org
Jan 24 2013
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-01-25 04:35, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 I found my OS X DVD and tried to install Xcode, but I am getting a
 similar "The installation failed" error. If I manage to install it, I
 will post here about whether I still have problems installing DMD.


I'm sorry your having so much trouble with this. You can always look at 
the Console to get more information. /Applications/Utilities/Console.app.

You technically should not need Xcode just for installing DMD. You 
should not need Xcode to run DMD either but you _do_ need GCC to run DMD.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 25 2013
parent reply "Elias Zamaria" <mikez302 gmail.com> writes:
I have GCC and I have used it to compile C programs. Anyway, I 
tried typing "dmd" at the terminal and it tells me I have version 
2.061. I have no idea how that got there or if the whole thing 
got installed.
Jan 25 2013
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-01-26 03:50, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 I have GCC and I have used it to compile C programs. Anyway, I tried
 typing "dmd" at the terminal and it tells me I have version 2.061. I
 have no idea how that got there or if the whole thing got installed.


Hehe, try a Hello World application:

// main.d

import std.stdio;

void main ()
{
     writeln("Hello World");
}

Compile with:

$ dmd main.d

Run with:

$ ./main

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 26 2013
parent "Elias Zamaria" <mikez302 gmail.com> writes:
I have been able to compile and run D programs for quite some 
time. I just thought I was using the 2.060 version of the 
compiler you gave me, until I checked what version I was actually 
using. My guess is that the 2.061 installer may have installed 
the new DMD, despite the error message.
Jan 26 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-01-08 05:00, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 I am trying to upgrade to DMD 2.061. What am I supposed to do? I tried
 running the installer but I got the same error I got the last time (see
 http://forum.dlang.org/thread/yrcyfaalimocuovsvgqo forum.dlang.org or
 http://forum.dlang.org/thread/bug-8682-3 http.d.puremagic.com/issues/).


We need to fix that somehow. I have an idea that might fix this.


 Jacob, do I need you to custom-make a non-broken installer like you did
 for 2.060? Is that something I can realistically do myself if I don't
 know much about D or OS X installers? Why isn't something like this on
 the download page?


Yes, it's fairly easy to do. Download the zip as you did and run these 
commands:

https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/installer/blob/master/osx/Makefile#L32

The commands between line 33 and 42. You have to replace the $1 and $2 
with 2.061 and 2.


 I downloaded the zip
 (http://downloads.dlang.org.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/releases/2013/dmd.2.061.zip
 . Is this the right one?) but I don't know what to do with it. I am
 guessing some stuff should go in /usr/bin and some other stuff should go
 in /usr/share but I don't know what.

 Can anyone help me with this?


The installer installs the compiler into /usr/share/dmd if I recall 
correctly. It then creates symlinks to /usr/bin. You need to replace the 
following:

/usr/share/dmd/bin
/usr/share/dmd/lib
/usr/share/dmd/src

With the same folders from the zip.

I do really recommend DVM instead, even if it's not an official way to 
install DMD. It's easy and allows you to have multiple compilers installed:

https://github.com/jacob-carlborg/dvm

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 07 2013
parent reply "Elias Zamaria" <mikez302 gmail.com> writes:
Jacob, can I just run the commands or do I need to be in a 
specific directory (/usr or /usr/bin or something like that)? Do 
I need to replace the ${MAKER} string? If so, with what?

On Tuesday, 8 January 2013 at 07:57:46 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2013-01-08 05:00, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 I am trying to upgrade to DMD 2.061. What am I supposed to do? 
 I tried
 running the installer but I got the same error I got the last 
 time (see
 http://forum.dlang.org/thread/yrcyfaalimocuovsvgqo forum.dlang.org 
 or
 http://forum.dlang.org/thread/bug-8682-3 http.d.puremagic.com/issues/).


 We need to fix that somehow. I have an idea that might fix this.


 Jacob, do I need you to custom-make a non-broken installer 
 like you did
 for 2.060? Is that something I can realistically do myself if 
 I don't
 know much about D or OS X installers? Why isn't something like 
 this on
 the download page?


 Yes, it's fairly easy to do. Download the zip as you did and 
 run these commands:

 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/installer/blob/master/osx/Makefile#L32

 The commands between line 33 and 42. You have to replace the $1 
 and $2 with 2.061 and 2.


 I downloaded the zip
 (http://downloads.dlang.org.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/releases/2013/dmd.2.061.zip
 . Is this the right one?) but I don't know what to do with it. 
 I am
 guessing some stuff should go in /usr/bin and some other stuff 
 should go
 in /usr/share but I don't know what.

 Can anyone help me with this?


 The installer installs the compiler into /usr/share/dmd if I 
 recall correctly. It then creates symlinks to /usr/bin. You 
 need to replace the following:

 /usr/share/dmd/bin
 /usr/share/dmd/lib
 /usr/share/dmd/src

 With the same folders from the zip.

 I do really recommend DVM instead, even if it's not an official 
 way to install DMD. It's easy and allows you to have multiple 
 compilers installed:

 https://github.com/jacob-carlborg/dvm
Jan 13 2013
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-01-14 06:40, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 Jacob, can I just run the commands or do I need to be in a specific
 directory (/usr or /usr/bin or something like that)? Do I need to
 replace the ${MAKER} string? If so, with what?


You first need to install Xcode. Which you will need regardless of how 
you install D.

The safest would be to clone the installer repository and run the 
commands from the same directory that makefile is located in.

* Replace ${MAKER} with /Developer/usr/bin/packagemaker
* Replace $1 with 2.061
* Replace $2 with 2
* You don't need to run the "hdiutil" command

You might want to try downloading the installer again. I've fixed the 
issue but I don't know if a new installer has been uploaded since I did 
that.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 13 2013
parent reply "Elias Zamaria" <mikez302 gmail.com> writes:
I have been somewhat reluctant to create an Apple developer 
account just to be able to download and install the version of 
Xcode I need to be able to install DMD. I will try it when I feel 
like spending the time. Out of curiosity, why is Xcode required 
to install DMD?
Jan 20 2013
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-01-21 06:42, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 I have been somewhat reluctant to create an Apple developer account just
 to be able to download and install the version of Xcode I need to be
 able to install DMD. I will try it when I feel like spending the time.
 Out of curiosity, why is Xcode required to install DMD?


It's required to run DMD. DMD uses GCC as the linker. Also the C 
standard library is part of the D standard library.

It's enough with a free account.

You can try this if you don't want to create an account:

https://github.com/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 20 2013
parent reply "Elias Zamaria" <mikez302 gmail.com> writes:
If Xcode is required to run DMD, then how did you make that 
custom installer for 2.060 that I installed without Xcode? If I 
already have GCC installed, why doesn't the installer work? What 
does that have to do with Xcode?
Jan 21 2013
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-01-21 09:41, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 If Xcode is required to run DMD, then how did you make that custom
 installer for 2.060 that I installed without Xcode? If I already have
 GCC installed, why doesn't the installer work? What does that have to do
 with Xcode?


Xcode is not needed to run the installer. Nothing special is needed to 
run the installer. But GCC is needed to compile using DMD. The installer 
doesn't work because it's built for Mac OS X 10.7 and later. I've create 
a pull request to make the installer work on earlier versions as well. 
It has been merge. But they need to rebuild the installer and upload a 
new one. I don't know if this has been made yet.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 21 2013
parent reply "Elias Zamaria" <mikez302 gmail.com> writes:
I have another question: if the installer is made for 10.7 and 
later, then why does it say "This package is intended for Mac OS 
X Leopard (10.5) only."? Maybe that is a mistake but a lot of 
people, including me before I asked about this issue, are 
probably confused seeing the message saying that their OS is too 
new when in fact it is too old.
Jan 21 2013
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-01-22 04:19, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 I have another question: if the installer is made for 10.7 and later,
 then why does it say "This package is intended for Mac OS X Leopard
 (10.5) only."? Maybe that is a mistake but a lot of people, including me
 before I asked about this issue, are probably confused seeing the
 message saying that their OS is too new when in fact it is too old.


That text hasn't been update for a very long time. It's nothing to worry 
about. You know, your free to report these issues to bugzilla:

http://d.puremagic.com/issues/

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 21 2013
parent "Elias Zamaria" <mikez302 gmail.com> writes:
I reported the issue with the installer text. It can be seen at 
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=9392
Jan 24 2013
prev sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-01-08 05:00, Elias Zamaria wrote:

 I am trying to upgrade to DMD 2.061. What am I supposed to do? I tried
 running the installer but I got the same error I got the last time (see
 http://forum.dlang.org/thread/yrcyfaalimocuovsvgqo forum.dlang.org or
 http://forum.dlang.org/thread/bug-8682-3 http.d.puremagic.com/issues/).

 Jacob, do I need you to custom-make a non-broken installer like you did
 for 2.060? Is that something I can realistically do myself if I don't
 know much about D or OS X installers? Why isn't something like this on
 the download page?


I've created a pull request which should fix this problem. In the 
meantime I have created a new installer:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/18386187/DMD2/DMD2.pkg

https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/installer/pull/12

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 08 2013
prev sibling parent reply "Mengu" <mengu mengu.net> writes:
On Monday, 22 October 2012 at 13:45:10 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 I was recently involved in a stack overflow question about mac 
 os:

 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12832241/cant-install-dmd-2-060-on-os-x-10-6-8/12897850

 I gave my usual answer of "just use the zip" which solved the 
 problem there, but perhaps there's something we can do to 
 improve the installer so people who do use it can have an 
 easier time.

 I don't know anything about the Mac though, so there's nothing 
 more I can do except punt it to someone else... so here I am.


there is a homebrew recipe.

brew install dmd
Jan 08 2013
parent Russel Winder <russel winder.org.uk> writes:
On Tue, 2013-01-08 at 13:33 +0100, Mengu wrote:
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 there is a homebrew recipe.
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 brew install dmd


Has anyone got a port into MacPorts?

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41 Buckmaster Road    m: +44 7770 465 077   xmpp: russel winder.org.uk
London SW11 1EN, UK   w: www.russel.org.uk  skype: russel_winder
Jan 08 2013