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reply "Joakim" <dlang joakim.fea.st> writes:
I was just surfing reddit and this exchange with Walter made me 
LOL, talking about students who learn programming for the first 
time in college:

Walter: Why would you say that? Very few of them actually even 
studied CS - they learned programming on the side. As did I, my 
degree is in mechanical engineering. I learned programming from 
reading DEC reference manuals and annoying my friends with 
idiotic questions like "what's a register?"
Starting programming in college is not too late at all.

Kasper-Hauser: I think it was too late in your case judging from 
the fruits it has borne. D should stand for dumb. I'm convinced 
your're a plant from the mechanical engineering cartel trying to 
dumb down our industry.
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2tou4y/techs_high_barrier_to_entry_for_the/co171cp

Skimming the guy's other comments now, I guess he's a big Haskell 
fan, and somehow looks down on D.

I've often thought that it's precisely because Walter is not a CS 
grad and has a real engineering background that D is so good, 
particularly since it means he's less likely to go chasing the CS 
fad of the moment.  Also, I'd guess that's where his pragmatic 
bent with the language comes from and must influence his 
particular sense of usability and technical design.  We've 
certainly all heard enough about how Boeing does it, particularly 
when it comes to failsafe reliability. ;)
Jan 26 2015
next sibling parent reply "Zach the Mystic" <reachzach gggmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 at 01:41:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:

 I was just surfing reddit and this exchange with Walter made me 
 LOL, talking about students who learn programming for the first 
 time in college:

 Walter: Why would you say that? Very few of them actually even 
 studied CS - they learned programming on the side. As did I, my 
 degree is in mechanical engineering. I learned programming from 
 reading DEC reference manuals and annoying my friends with 
 idiotic questions like "what's a register?"
 Starting programming in college is not too late at all.

 Kasper-Hauser: I think it was too late in your case judging 
 from the fruits it has borne. D should stand for dumb. I'm 
 convinced your're a plant from the mechanical engineering 
 cartel trying to dumb down our industry.
 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2tou4y/techs_high_barrier_to_entry_for_the/co171cp

 Skimming the guy's other comments now, I guess he's a big 
 Haskell fan, and somehow looks down on D.

 I've often thought that it's precisely because Walter is not a 
 CS grad and has a real engineering background that D is so 
 good, particularly since it means he's less likely to go 
 chasing the CS fad of the moment.  Also, I'd guess that's where 
 his pragmatic bent with the language comes from and must 
 influence his particular sense of usability and technical 
 design.  We've certainly all heard enough about how Boeing does 
 it, particularly when it comes to failsafe reliability. ;)


Unfortunately, even Boeing isn't what it used to be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os
Jan 26 2015
next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 1/26/2015 6:38 PM, Zach the Mystic wrote:

 Unfortunately, even Boeing isn't what it used to be:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os


One thing that one learns when working on engineering projects is journalists 
have zero engineering and mathematical knowledge, and what they write about 
engineering is full of hysteria, ignorance, and misinformation.

BTW, in the 1960s, journalists all thought the 747 wouldn't even fly (too big). 
Early 747s also had major engine problems. They were fixed.
Jan 26 2015
parent "Zach the Mystic" <reachzach gggmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 at 02:52:44 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 1/26/2015 6:38 PM, Zach the Mystic wrote:

 Unfortunately, even Boeing isn't what it used to be:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os


 One thing that one learns when working on engineering projects 
 is journalists have zero engineering and mathematical 
 knowledge, and what they write about engineering is full of 
 hysteria, ignorance, and misinformation.

 BTW, in the 1960s, journalists all thought the 747 wouldn't 
 even fly (too big). Early 747s also had major engine problems. 
 They were fixed.


Yeah, I don't know. But unless they staged the whole thing, this 
report was pretty damaging and depressing. I'm not sure what to 
think. I don't want to jump to conclusions.
Jan 26 2015
prev sibling parent reply "weaselcat" <weaselcat gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 at 02:38:17 UTC, Zach the Mystic 
wrote:

 On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 at 01:41:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:

 I was just surfing reddit and this exchange with Walter made 
 me LOL, talking about students who learn programming for the 
 first time in college:

 Walter: Why would you say that? Very few of them actually even 
 studied CS - they learned programming on the side. As did I, 
 my degree is in mechanical engineering. I learned programming 
 from reading DEC reference manuals and annoying my friends 
 with idiotic questions like "what's a register?"
 Starting programming in college is not too late at all.

 Kasper-Hauser: I think it was too late in your case judging 
 from the fruits it has borne. D should stand for dumb. I'm 
 convinced your're a plant from the mechanical engineering 
 cartel trying to dumb down our industry.
 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2tou4y/techs_high_barrier_to_entry_for_the/co171cp

 Skimming the guy's other comments now, I guess he's a big 
 Haskell fan, and somehow looks down on D.

 I've often thought that it's precisely because Walter is not a 
 CS grad and has a real engineering background that D is so 
 good, particularly since it means he's less likely to go 
 chasing the CS fad of the moment.  Also, I'd guess that's 
 where his pragmatic bent with the language comes from and must 
 influence his particular sense of usability and technical 
 design.  We've certainly all heard enough about how Boeing 
 does it, particularly when it comes to failsafe reliability. ;)


 Unfortunately, even Boeing isn't what it used to be:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os


FYI, Qatari Airway's GCEO Al Baker has repeatedly publicly stated 
his opinion(on disliking) Boeing. Both Al Jazeera and Qatari 
Airway are owned by the Qatari government.
Take an entire box of salt with that "documentary."
Jan 26 2015
parent "Zach the Mystic" <reachzach gggmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 at 03:41:51 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 FYI, Qatari Airway's GCEO Al Baker has repeatedly publicly 
 stated his opinion(on disliking) Boeing. Both Al Jazeera and 
 Qatari Airway are owned by the Qatari government.
 Take an entire box of salt with that "documentary."


I won't. If what the documentary says is true, Al Baker has a 
very good reason for disliking Boeing. I don't know if it is, but 
it's a pretty great staging job if it's not.
Jan 26 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "bachmeier" <no spam.net> writes:
On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 at 01:41:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:

 I was just surfing reddit and this exchange with Walter made me 
 LOL, talking about students who learn programming for the first 
 time in college:

 Walter: Why would you say that? Very few of them actually even 
 studied CS - they learned programming on the side. As did I, my 
 degree is in mechanical engineering. I learned programming from 
 reading DEC reference manuals and annoying my friends with 
 idiotic questions like "what's a register?"
 Starting programming in college is not too late at all.

 Kasper-Hauser: I think it was too late in your case judging 
 from the fruits it has borne. D should stand for dumb. I'm 
 convinced your're a plant from the mechanical engineering 
 cartel trying to dumb down our industry.
 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2tou4y/techs_high_barrier_to_entry_for_the/co171cp


Reddit comments are barely worth reading, much less giving a 
response. Not exactly Hacker News lack of intelligence, but lots 
of them you just read the first sentence, downvote, and move on.
Jan 26 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 1/26/2015 5:41 PM, Joakim wrote:

 I've often thought that it's precisely because Walter is not a CS grad and has
a
 real engineering background that D is so good, particularly since it means he's
 less likely to go chasing the CS fad of the moment.  Also, I'd guess that's
 where his pragmatic bent with the language comes from and must influence his
 particular sense of usability and technical design.  We've certainly all heard
 enough about how Boeing does it, particularly when it comes to failsafe
 reliability. ;)


Andrei has a PhD in CS. I think we make a complementary pair, me with an 
engineering perspective and Andrei with a scientific perspective.
Jan 26 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 at 01:41:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:

 Skimming the guy's other comments now, I guess he's a big 
 Haskell fan, and somehow looks down on D.


That's normal for haskell fans to look down on other languages, 
which don't embrace as much CS. Do you see it for the first time?
Jan 27 2015
parent "Joakim" <dlang joakim.fea.st> writes:
On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 at 20:12:17 UTC, Kagamin wrote:

 On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 at 01:41:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:

 Skimming the guy's other comments now, I guess he's a big 
 Haskell fan, and somehow looks down on D.


 That's normal for haskell fans to look down on other languages, 
 which don't embrace as much CS. Do you see it for the first 
 time?


Yeah, I've never really read reddit or hacker news, just D links 
from here mostly, certainly not any haskell sites.
Jan 27 2015