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digitalmars.D - It's time to stop being political

reply torhu <torhu yahoo.com> writes:
The official D Discord is very political. I think it's time to 
stop that now. Tell the people that are doing it that they have 
to stop, or just stop linking to that Discord. Discord works well 
for discussing programming, it has good support for synthax 
highlighting, etc. So having a Discord is good, but one that is 
political puts people off.
Jan 25
parent reply Paul Backus <snarwin gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 25 January 2025 at 23:17:50 UTC, torhu wrote:

 The official D Discord is very political. I think it's time to 
 stop that now. Tell the people that are doing it that they have 
 to stop, or just stop linking to that Discord. Discord works 
 well for discussing programming, it has good support for 
 synthax highlighting, etc. So having a Discord is good, but one 
 that is political puts people off.


I was curious what this was about, so I went to the community 
Discord and searched the history for your username.

Here's what actually happened: you saw one user in the Discord 
with pronouns in their display name and threw a tantrum about it. 
Before that, everyone was talking about programming. As far as 
I'm concerned, that makes you the one "being political."
Jan 25
next sibling parent reply "Richard (Rikki) Andrew Cattermole" <richard cattermole.co.nz> writes:
On 26/01/2025 3:19 PM, Paul Backus wrote:

 On Saturday, 25 January 2025 at 23:17:50 UTC, torhu wrote:

 The official D Discord is very political. I think it's time to stop 
 that now. Tell the people that are doing it that they have to stop, or 
 just stop linking to that Discord. Discord works well for discussing 
 programming, it has good support for synthax highlighting, etc. So 
 having a Discord is good, but one that is political puts people off.


 
 I was curious what this was about, so I went to the community Discord 
 and searched the history for your username.
 
 Here's what actually happened: you saw one user in the Discord with 
 pronouns in their display name and threw a tantrum about it. Before 
 that, everyone was talking about programming. As far as I'm concerned, 
 that makes you the one "being political."


Confirmed. No actions were taken from a moderator as it was solved using 
push back rather than using powers.

Public channel log shows OP was the source and was not entertained as 
acceptable behavior.

Our official stance on the Discord server is that pronouns are a normal 
part of the English language, it is not for us to judge why someone 
prefers one set over another as long as they are common and not at all 
offensive (say someone using god as their pronoun). For text based chat 
it is not always obvious what people prefer, or if they have preference 
that needs to be respected.

Further discussion on this topic will not be necessary. Being respectful 
of others is a requirement of both the forum and Discord.
Jan 25
parent reply monkyyy <crazymonkyyy gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 03:57:03 UTC, Richard (Rikki) 
Andrew Cattermole wrote:

 On 26/01/2025 3:19 PM, Paul Backus wrote:

 On Saturday, 25 January 2025 at 23:17:50 UTC, torhu wrote:

 The official D Discord is very political. I think it's time 
 to stop that now. Tell the people that are doing it that they 
 have to stop, or just stop linking to that Discord. Discord 
 works well for discussing programming, it has good support 
 for synthax highlighting, etc. So having a Discord is good, 
 but one that is political puts people off.


 
 I was curious what this was about, so I went to the community 
 Discord and searched the history for your username.
 
 Here's what actually happened: you saw one user in the Discord 
 with pronouns in their display name and threw a tantrum about 
 it. Before that, everyone was talking about programming. As 
 far as I'm concerned, that makes you the one "being political."


 Confirmed. No actions were taken from a moderator


If we are opening the pronoun debate again; I also dislike 
leftist pronoun announcements, when I went to mock it by adding 
"shit/poster" to my name that was deleted several times. That was 
a moderator action :shrug:
Jan 26
next sibling parent reply Sergey <kornburn yandex.ru> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 18:52:03 UTC, monkyyy wrote:

 that was deleted several times. That was a moderator action 
 :shrug:


As you are sitting now in a different channel - you can put it 
back =)
Jan 26
parent monkyyy <crazymonkyyy gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 19:02:13 UTC, Sergey wrote:

 On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 18:52:03 UTC, monkyyy wrote:

 that was deleted several times. That was a moderator action 
 :shrug:


 As you are sitting now in a different channel - you can put it 
 back =)


mockery should be in response to someone present; otherwise your 
talking behind peoples backs and its *shudder* gossip
Jan 26
prev sibling parent torhu <torhu yahoo.com> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 18:52:03 UTC, monkyyy wrote:

 On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 03:57:03 UTC, Richard (Rikki) 
 Andrew Cattermole wrote:

 On 26/01/2025 3:19 PM, Paul Backus wrote:

 On Saturday, 25 January 2025 at 23:17:50 UTC, torhu wrote:

 The official D Discord is very political. I think it's time 
 to stop that now. Tell the people that are doing it that 
 they have to stop, or just stop linking to that Discord. 
 Discord works well for discussing programming, it has good 
 support for synthax highlighting, etc. So having a Discord 
 is good, but one that is political puts people off.


 
 I was curious what this was about, so I went to the community 
 Discord and searched the history for your username.
 
 Here's what actually happened: you saw one user in the 
 Discord with pronouns in their display name and threw a 
 tantrum about it. Before that, everyone was talking about 
 programming. As far as I'm concerned, that makes you the one 
 "being political."


 Confirmed. No actions were taken from a moderator


 If we are opening the pronoun debate again; I also dislike 
 leftist pronoun announcements, when I went to mock it by adding 
 "shit/poster" to my name that was deleted several times. That 
 was a moderator action :shrug:


I do the same, I usually put AC/DC in pronoun fields. If the D 
Discord was controlled by fundamentalist Christians that asked 
for your favorite apostle when you join, I might just put "Judas" 
😄

It's very telling that the admin response to me pointing this out 
was a mix of gaslighting and blame shifting, but this is par for 
the course when dealing with this type of ideology.
Jan 26
prev sibling next sibling parent 12345swordy <alexanderheistermann gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 02:19:04 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:

 Here's what actually happened: you saw one user in the Discord 
 with pronouns in their display name and threw a tantrum about 
 it.


Why I am not surprised.
Jan 26
prev sibling next sibling parent reply torhu <torhu yahoo.com> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 02:19:04 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:

 On Saturday, 25 January 2025 at 23:17:50 UTC, torhu wrote:

 The official D Discord is very political. I think it's time to 
 stop that now. Tell the people that are doing it that they 
 have to stop, or just stop linking to that Discord. Discord 
 works well for discussing programming, it has good support for 
 synthax highlighting, etc. So having a Discord is good, but 
 one that is political puts people off.


 I was curious what this was about, so I went to the community 
 Discord and searched the history for your username.

 Here's what actually happened: you saw one user in the Discord 
 with pronouns in their display name and threw a tantrum about 
 it. Before that, everyone was talking about programming. As far 
 as I'm concerned, that makes you the one "being political."


Nope. I was in the Discord for a long time, but left a year or 
two ago because I don't like politics being infused where it 
doesn't need to be.
Jan 26
parent reply Sergey <kornburn yandex.ru> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 16:48:02 UTC, torhu wrote:

 Nope. I was in the Discord for a long time, but left a year or


At least you continue using D - this is the only that matter
And you can always ask question in the Forum
Jan 26
parent torhu <torhu yahoo.com> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 16:55:29 UTC, Sergey wrote:

 On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 16:48:02 UTC, torhu wrote:

 Nope. I was in the Discord for a long time, but left a year or


 At least you continue using D - this is the only that matter
 And you can always ask question in the Forum


Yes, that's what I originally did. I'm thinking about doing some 
a work on a D project again now.
Jan 26
prev sibling parent reply IchorDev <zxinsworld gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 02:19:04 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:

 I went to the community Discord and searched the history for 
 your username.

 Here's what actually happened: you saw one user in the Discord 
 with pronouns in their display name and threw a tantrum about
 it.


Maybe the lesson to be learned is that much like the ‘Boolean’ 
logic in our hardware that operates by reinterpreting arbitrary 
voltages as low and high, we too arbitrarily categorise things as 
political because they’re foreign to our black and white 
perception of the world.
Jan 26
next sibling parent reply monkyyy <crazymonkyyy gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 18:42:01 UTC, IchorDev wrote:

 On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 02:19:04 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:

 I went to the community Discord and searched the history for 
 your username.

 Here's what actually happened: you saw one user in the Discord 
 with pronouns in their display name and threw a tantrum about
 it.


 Maybe the lesson to be learned is that much like the ‘Boolean’ 
 logic in our hardware that operates by reinterpreting arbitrary 
 voltages as low and high, we too arbitrarily categorise things 
 as political because they’re foreign to our black and white 
 perception of the world.


yes the real lesson was that we need to swap computers to 
balanced triarny its what boole wouldve wanted
Jan 26
parent Stefan Koch <uplink.coder googlemail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 18:45:18 UTC, monkyyy wrote:

 yes the real lesson was that we need to swap computers to 
 balanced triarny its what boole wouldve wanted


Actually I'd love that.
But it costs a lot in terms of transistors I would imagine...
Jan 26
prev sibling parent reply torhu <torhu yahoo.com> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 18:42:01 UTC, IchorDev wrote:

 On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 02:19:04 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:

 I went to the community Discord and searched the history for 
 your username.

 Here's what actually happened: you saw one user in the Discord 
 with pronouns in their display name and threw a tantrum about
 it.


 Maybe the lesson to be learned is that much like the ‘Boolean’ 
 logic in our hardware that operates by reinterpreting arbitrary 
 voltages as low and high, we too arbitrarily categorise things 
 as political because they’re foreign to our black and white 
 perception of the world.


Let's call it ideological instead of political if you prefer that.
Jan 26
next sibling parent 12345swordy <alexanderheistermann gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 22:41:03 UTC, torhu wrote:

 On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 18:42:01 UTC, IchorDev wrote:

 On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 02:19:04 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:

 I went to the community Discord and searched the history for 
 your username.

 Here's what actually happened: you saw one user in the 
 Discord with pronouns in their display name and threw a 
 tantrum about
 it.


 Maybe the lesson to be learned is that much like the ‘Boolean’ 
 logic in our hardware that operates by reinterpreting 
 arbitrary voltages as low and high, we too arbitrarily 
 categorise things as political because they’re foreign to our 
 black and white perception of the world.


 Let's call it ideological instead of political if you prefer 
 that.


You are making mountains out of ant hills here.
Jan 26
prev sibling parent reply claptrap <clap trap.com> writes:
On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 22:41:03 UTC, torhu wrote:

 On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 18:42:01 UTC, IchorDev wrote:

 On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 02:19:04 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:

 I went to the community Discord and searched the history for 
 your username.

 Here's what actually happened: you saw one user in the 
 Discord with pronouns in their display name and threw a 
 tantrum about
 it.


 Maybe the lesson to be learned is that much like the ‘Boolean’ 
 logic in our hardware that operates by reinterpreting 
 arbitrary voltages as low and high, we too arbitrarily 
 categorise things as political because they’re foreign to our 
 black and white perception of the world.


 Let's call it ideological instead of political if you prefer 
 that.


It was neither, it was personal, it was in their profile, no 
different than wearing a cross round your neck, or a dodgers 
t-shirt. Its what humans do, they display to other humans things 
about who they are. That's the whole point of a "profile", so you 
can let people know a little bit about you.

You made it political because you got so upset about it you felt 
the need to complain about it. IE. You are the one being 
"ideological", you want to impose your ideology on others.

It's honestly depressing that you don't understand why such 
behaviour is a problem.
Jan 27
next sibling parent Guillaume Piolat <first.nam_e gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 27 January 2025 at 09:29:17 UTC, claptrap wrote:

 It's honestly depressing that you don't understand why such 
 behaviour is a problem.


"Helpful" rants are the plague of other language communities too, 
maybe we are on the brink of getting past that: (though this one 
is not a mega-thread)
https://youtu.be/o_4EX4dPppA?feature=shared&t=424
Jan 27
prev sibling parent reply torhu <torhu yahoo.com> writes:
On Monday, 27 January 2025 at 09:29:17 UTC, claptrap wrote:

 On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 22:41:03 UTC, torhu wrote:

 On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 18:42:01 UTC, IchorDev wrote:

 On Sunday, 26 January 2025 at 02:19:04 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:

 I went to the community Discord and searched the history for 
 your username.

 Here's what actually happened: you saw one user in the 
 Discord with pronouns in their display name and threw a 
 tantrum about
 it.


 Maybe the lesson to be learned is that much like the 
 ‘Boolean’ logic in our hardware that operates by 
 reinterpreting arbitrary voltages as low and high, we too 
 arbitrarily categorise things as political because they’re 
 foreign to our black and white perception of the world.


 Let's call it ideological instead of political if you prefer 
 that.


 It was neither, it was personal, it was in their profile, no 
 different than wearing a cross round your neck, or a dodgers 
 t-shirt. Its what humans do, they display to other humans 
 things about who they are. That's the whole point of a 
 "profile", so you can let people know a little bit about you.


Nope. And it's not profile, but the member list. Which is not the 
default on Discord, it has to be enabled by admins.


 You made it political because you got so upset about it you 
 felt the need to complain about it. IE. You are the one being 
 "ideological", you want to impose your ideology on others.


No, not true, and I don't have an idelogical stance on this. I 
just don't think people sexuality, ideology, fetishes, or 
whatever is something that needs to be accommodated in a Discord 
that's about programming. Nobody should need to know, or care.


 It's honestly depressing that you don't understand why such 
 behaviour is a problem.


I could say the same about your behavior, would that achieve 
anything?
Jan 27
next sibling parent "Richard (Rikki) Andrew Cattermole" <richard cattermole.co.nz> writes:
On 28/01/2025 11:16 AM, torhu wrote:

     It was neither, it was personal, it was in their profile, no
     different than wearing a cross round your neck, or a dodgers t-
     shirt. Its what humans do, they display to other humans things about
     who they are. That's the whole point of a "profile", so you can let
     people know a little bit about you.
 
 Nope. And it's not profile, but the member list. Which is not the 
 default on Discord, it has to be enabled by admins.


There is no setting to allow [] in your display name.

Enabling of server specific display name is however enabled.

As long as a set of pronouns is reasonable, we will require that it is 
respected. If it isn't, we will deal with it.

Some people care about theirs being respected, but not everyone does 
(and so they do not put it in their display name).

We did not create this approach. We do not force the usage of it.

The only requirement is to use the pronouns that people state.
Any refusal to do this, is inherently disrespectful, it is no different 
than using the wrong title of a person and Emily Post's Etiquette has 
plenty to say about that.
Jan 27
prev sibling parent Dennis <dkorpel gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 27 January 2025 at 22:16:27 UTC, torhu wrote:

 I could say the same about your behavior, would that achieve 
 anything?


This thread is not about programming, but directing attention, so 
I'm going to delete subsequent posts here.

Consider this thread closed.
Jan 27