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digitalmars.D - Is there going to be a survey this year?

reply aliak <something something.com> writes:
Hi,

Also, I can't seem to find the results of last year's survey - 
https://dlang.typeform.com/report/H1GTak/PY9NhHkcBFG0t6ig - says 
the report is private.

I was going through the rust 2018 survey [0], and it had some 
really interesting stuff in there. Maybe we can use a lot of the 
questions from there as well if there's going to be one?

Cheers,
- Ali

[0]: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/11/27/Rust-survey-2018.html
Jun 17
parent reply Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2019 at 19:27:14 UTC, aliak wrote:
 Hi,

 Also, I can't seem to find the results of last year's survey - 
 https://dlang.typeform.com/report/H1GTak/PY9NhHkcBFG0t6ig - 
 says the report is private.

 I was going through the rust 2018 survey [0], and it had some 
 really interesting stuff in there. Maybe we can use a lot of 
 the questions from there as well if there's going to be one?

 Cheers,
 - Ali

 [0]: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/11/27/Rust-survey-2018.html
No, because no one bothered to look at the results or listen to the condensed analysis. The results from last year are here: https://github.com/wilzbach/state-of-d-2018
Jun 17
next sibling parent reply aliak <something something.com> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2019 at 19:50:33 UTC, Seb wrote:
 On Monday, 17 June 2019 at 19:27:14 UTC, aliak wrote:
 Hi,

 Also, I can't seem to find the results of last year's survey - 
 https://dlang.typeform.com/report/H1GTak/PY9NhHkcBFG0t6ig - 
 says the report is private.

 I was going through the rust 2018 survey [0], and it had some 
 really interesting stuff in there. Maybe we can use a lot of 
 the questions from there as well if there's going to be one?

 Cheers,
 - Ali

 [0]: 
 https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/11/27/Rust-survey-2018.html
No, because no one bothered to look at the results or listen to the condensed analysis.
Aw :( What do you mean no one? As in core-devs no one or no one no one? Do people think giving it another try would be a wasted effort?
 The results from last year are here:

 https://github.com/wilzbach/state-of-d-2018
Thanks!
Jun 17
parent Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2019 at 20:43:15 UTC, aliak wrote:
 On Monday, 17 June 2019 at 19:50:33 UTC, Seb wrote:
 On Monday, 17 June 2019 at 19:27:14 UTC, aliak wrote:
 Hi,

 Also, I can't seem to find the results of last year's survey 
 - https://dlang.typeform.com/report/H1GTak/PY9NhHkcBFG0t6ig - 
 says the report is private.

 I was going through the rust 2018 survey [0], and it had some 
 really interesting stuff in there. Maybe we can use a lot of 
 the questions from there as well if there's going to be one?

 Cheers,
 - Ali

 [0]: 
 https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/11/27/Rust-survey-2018.html
No, because no one bothered to look at the results or listen to the condensed analysis.
Aw :( What do you mean no one? As in core-devs no one or no one no one?
No one as in not anyone. Also as a side note, while core devs have merge rights, they don't have any big influence on fixing the points mentioned in the survey (see e.g. https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/9844#issuecomment-496746875 or https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/7988) for an inspiration).
 Do people think giving it another try would be a wasted effort?
I don't think there is any big question to which the opinion or needs of the D community isn't known. What's lacking is a coordinated effort to fix them.
Jun 17
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Exil <Exil gmall.com> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2019 at 19:50:33 UTC, Seb wrote:
 On Monday, 17 June 2019 at 19:27:14 UTC, aliak wrote:
 Hi,

 Also, I can't seem to find the results of last year's survey - 
 https://dlang.typeform.com/report/H1GTak/PY9NhHkcBFG0t6ig - 
 says the report is private.

 I was going through the rust 2018 survey [0], and it had some 
 really interesting stuff in there. Maybe we can use a lot of 
 the questions from there as well if there's going to be one?

 Cheers,
 - Ali

 [0]: 
 https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/11/27/Rust-survey-2018.html
No, because no one bothered to look at the results or listen to the condensed analysis. The results from last year are here: https://github.com/wilzbach/state-of-d-2018
Of the top 5 missed features none have been implemented. Named arguments does have a DIP that is being processed. I think someone is working on a tuples DIP as well, but hasn't submitted it yet. To note, at least as far as I am aware, both these DIPs are being worked on by individuals on their own free time. 1 tuples 143 / 50% 2 named arguments 131 / 46% 3 string interpolation 87 / 31% 4 in-place struct initialization 81 / 28% 5 multiple alias this 80 / 28%
Jun 17
parent rikki cattermole <rikki cattermole.co.nz> writes:
On 18/06/2019 10:36 AM, Exil wrote:
 On Monday, 17 June 2019 at 19:50:33 UTC, Seb wrote:
 On Monday, 17 June 2019 at 19:27:14 UTC, aliak wrote:
 Hi,

 Also, I can't seem to find the results of last year's survey - 
 https://dlang.typeform.com/report/H1GTak/PY9NhHkcBFG0t6ig - says the 
 report is private.

 I was going through the rust 2018 survey [0], and it had some really 
 interesting stuff in there. Maybe we can use a lot of the questions 
 from there as well if there's going to be one?

 Cheers,
 - Ali

 [0]: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/11/27/Rust-survey-2018.html
No, because no one bothered to look at the results or listen to the condensed analysis. The results from last year are here: https://github.com/wilzbach/state-of-d-2018
Of the top 5 missed features none have been implemented. Named arguments does have a DIP that is being processed. I think someone is working on a tuples DIP as well, but hasn't submitted it yet. To note, at least as far as I am aware, both these DIPs are being worked on by individuals on their own free time. 1 tuples 143 / 50% 2 named arguments 131 / 46%
Has two DIPs 1019 and 1020. With both having different goals but in the same design space.
 3 string interpolation 87 / 31%
https://github.com/dlang/DIPs/pull/140
 4 in-place struct initialization 81 / 28%
DIP in the works, but doesn't receive enough attention. https://github.com/dlang/DIPs/pull/71
 5 multiple alias this 80 / 28%
Jun 17
prev sibling next sibling parent Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= <ola.fosheim.grostad gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2019 at 19:50:33 UTC, Seb wrote:
 No, because no one bothered to look at the results or listen to 
 the condensed analysis.
Pity, some of the questions resulted in answers that provide interesting information. Especially the ones on why people quit/cannot use, where they obtain information and what syntax/features they dislike/want.
Jun 19
prev sibling parent XavierAP <n3minis-git yahoo.es> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2019 at 19:50:33 UTC, Seb wrote:
 The results from last year are here:

 https://github.com/wilzbach/state-of-d-2018
Interesting vote about moving the Learn forum to StackOverflow. I also think maybe encouraging people to ask everything there instead of here may give D better visibility both with the public and SEO. It looks like the D community (who participated) is still nowadays quite open to productive breaking language changes.
Jun 21