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digitalmars.D - Is Andrei Stepping Back from D?

reply D. Klaw <anemailaddr name.tld> writes:
Apologies if this is rather verboten to ask, but is Andrei moving 
away from D?
Aug 13
next sibling parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 at 15:26:35 UTC, D. Klaw wrote:
 Apologies if this is rather verboten to ask, but is Andrei 
 moving away from D?
No, not completely. Just from a leadership role. See his remarks from the general meeting at DConf 2019: https://youtu.be/cpTAtiboIDs?t=3049
Aug 13
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.com> writes:
On 8/13/19 11:38 AM, Mike Parker wrote:
 On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 at 15:26:35 UTC, D. Klaw wrote:
 Apologies if this is rather verboten to ask, but is Andrei moving away 
 from D?
No, not completely. Just from a leadership role. See his remarks from the general meeting at DConf 2019: https://youtu.be/cpTAtiboIDs?t=3049
Thanks, Mike. And thanks to all for the concern - I also got a few private emails asking me for the juicy details. Of which there are none - my family needs me and some volunteering activities had to give way. As Jonathan mentioned I'm still working with my students and working on the Foundation administration, legal, taxes, and finances. I've been involved with D since 2005. That's an eternity in this business. I think bringing Atila to the fore is a great positive because it brings a fresh perspective and approach.
Aug 14
parent reply Dibyendu Majumdar <mobile majumdar.org.uk> writes:
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019 at 15:14:41 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
 As Jonathan mentioned I'm still working with my students and 
 working on the Foundation administration, legal, taxes, and 
 finances.

 I've been involved with D since 2005. That's an eternity in 
 this business. I think bringing Atila to the fore is a great 
 positive because it brings a fresh perspective and approach.
Hi Andrei, Reading between the lines, I get the impression that you have given up on evolving D as a language? Can't say I am surprised. Regards
Aug 17
next sibling parent 12345swordy <alexanderheistermann gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 17 August 2019 at 09:46:45 UTC, Dibyendu Majumdar 
wrote:
 On Wednesday, 14 August 2019 at 15:14:41 UTC, Andrei 
 Alexandrescu wrote:
 As Jonathan mentioned I'm still working with my students and 
 working on the Foundation administration, legal, taxes, and 
 finances.

 I've been involved with D since 2005. That's an eternity in 
 this business. I think bringing Atila to the fore is a great 
 positive because it brings a fresh perspective and approach.
Hi Andrei, Reading between the lines, I get the impression that you have given up on evolving D as a language? Can't say I am surprised. Regards
Don't read between the lines. Alex.
Aug 17
prev sibling next sibling parent bauss <jj_1337 live.dk> writes:
On Saturday, 17 August 2019 at 09:46:45 UTC, Dibyendu Majumdar 
wrote:
 On Wednesday, 14 August 2019 at 15:14:41 UTC, Andrei 
 Alexandrescu wrote:
 As Jonathan mentioned I'm still working with my students and 
 working on the Foundation administration, legal, taxes, and 
 finances.

 I've been involved with D since 2005. That's an eternity in 
 this business. I think bringing Atila to the fore is a great 
 positive because it brings a fresh perspective and approach.
Hi Andrei, Reading between the lines, I get the impression that you have given up on evolving D as a language? Can't say I am surprised. Regards
If you actually took time to read his message as well look at his statement given at dconf you'd know he definitely hasn't given up on D.
Aug 17
prev sibling parent reply Dibyendu Majumdar <mobile majumdar.org.uk> writes:
On Sunday, 18 August 2019 at 00:10:03 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
 Reading between the lines, I get the impression that you have 
 given up on evolving D as a language? Can't say I am surprised.
You must have been in a state of continuous surprise over the past 15 years then. This asinine remark reminds me of the rumor mill on the hallways at DConf 2019. "What happened to Vladimir? You must have done something terrible to him." Sure, let's confront Vladimir on why he only put one decade of his career into volunteering for a free project.
Since you are being abusive I didn't want to reply ... but then it occurred to me maybe my remark is misunderstood. I meant that having given so much to D, and perhaps not getting the outcome you desired for D, it is understandable if you decided to move on. Regards
Aug 18
next sibling parent Timon Gehr <timon.gehr gmx.ch> writes:
On 18.08.19 11:45, Dibyendu Majumdar wrote:
 On Sunday, 18 August 2019 at 00:10:03 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Reading between the lines, I get the impression that you have given 
 up on evolving D as a language? Can't say I am surprised.
You must have been in a state of continuous surprise over the past 15 years then. This asinine remark reminds me of the rumor mill on the hallways at DConf 2019. "What happened to Vladimir? You must have done something terrible to him." Sure, let's confront Vladimir on why he only put one decade of his career into volunteering for a free project.
Since you are being abusive I didn't want to reply ...
Andrei's post is on point.
 but then it 
 occurred to me maybe my remark is misunderstood. I meant that having 
 given so much to D, and perhaps not getting the outcome you desired for 
 D, it is understandable if you decided to move on.
 ...
This phrasing is not a lot better. You should have just apologized.
Aug 18
prev sibling parent reply bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:
On Sunday, 18 August 2019 at 09:45:26 UTC, Dibyendu Majumdar 
wrote:

  I meant that having given so much to D, and perhaps not 
 getting the outcome you desired for D, it is understandable if 
 you decided to move on.
This is an open source project. Everyone, including Walter and Andrei, should feel free to step down at any time, for any reason. They owe the project nothing. We're happy for the contributions they've already made. If they want to spend more time with their families, it is my hope that they will step away and not give it any further thought. One measure of the success of the language is that it works pretty well right now and the project will go on even if Andrei has decided to move on to Javascript (the creator of which, I will note, moved on in 2011).
Aug 18
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 8/18/2019 5:21 AM, bachmeier wrote:
 This is an open source project. Everyone, including Walter and Andrei, should 
 feel free to step down at any time, for any reason. They owe the project 
 nothing. We're happy for the contributions they've already made. If they want
to 
 spend more time with their families, it is my hope that they will step away
and 
 not give it any further thought. One measure of the success of the language is 
 that it works pretty well right now and the project will go on even if Andrei 
 has decided to move on to Javascript (the creator of which, I will note, moved 
 on in 2011).
My next career will be lion taming. I've already got the hat.
Aug 18
parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 03:51:46PM -0700, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote:
[...]
 My next career will be lion taming. I've already got the hat.
After having dealt with D users and their ... idiosyncrasies for the last decade or two, I think you've got the lion-taming down pat. :-P T -- LINUX = Lousy Interface for Nefarious Unix Xenophobes.
Aug 18
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 8/18/2019 9:39 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 03:51:46PM -0700, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
 [...]
 My next career will be lion taming. I've already got the hat.
After having dealt with D users and their ... idiosyncrasies for the last decade or two, I think you've got the lion-taming down pat. :-P
My pleasure to introduce you to Monty Python: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqQlCOmXuHM
Aug 19
parent reply bauss <jj_1337 live.dk> writes:
On Monday, 19 August 2019 at 07:32:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 8/18/2019 9:39 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 03:51:46PM -0700, Walter Bright via 
 Digitalmars-d wrote:
 [...]
 My next career will be lion taming. I've already got the hat.
After having dealt with D users and their ... idiosyncrasies for the last decade or two, I think you've got the lion-taming down pat. :-P
My pleasure to introduce you to Monty Python: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqQlCOmXuHM
Not watching any Monty Python once in a while should be punishable.
Aug 21
parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:12:01PM +0000, bauss via Digitalmars-d wrote:
[...]
 Not watching any Monty Python once in a while should be punishable.
In that case, please punish me. :-D T -- "The number you have dialed is imaginary. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
Aug 21
parent reply David Gileadi <gileadisNOSPM gmail.com> writes:
On 8/21/19 9:24 AM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:12:01PM +0000, bauss via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 [...]
 Not watching any Monty Python once in a while should be punishable.
In that case, please punish me. :-D
Cardinal Fang! Fetch...THE COMFY CHAIR!
Aug 21
parent reply Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org> writes:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 18:30, David Gileadi via Digitalmars-d
<digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:
 On 8/21/19 9:24 AM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:12:01PM +0000, bauss via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 [...]
 Not watching any Monty Python once in a while should be punishable.
In that case, please punish me. :-D
Cardinal Fang! Fetch...THE COMFY CHAIR!
[Dramatic Music] THE COMFY CHAIR?!
Aug 21
parent Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 21 August 2019 at 18:59:19 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
 On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 18:30, David Gileadi via Digitalmars-d 
 <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:
 On 8/21/19 9:24 AM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:12:01PM +0000, bauss via 
 Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]
 Not watching any Monty Python once in a while should be 
 punishable.
In that case, please punish me. :-D
Cardinal Fang! Fetch...THE COMFY CHAIR!
[Dramatic Music] THE COMFY CHAIR?!
Here in Castle Anthrax, we have but one punishment for setting alight the grail-shaped beacon...
Aug 22
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jonathan M Davis <newsgroup.d jmdavisprog.com> writes:
On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 9:26:35 AM MDT D. Klaw via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 Apologies if this is rather verboten to ask, but is Andrei moving
 away from D?
From what he said at dconf this year, he is taking a less active role in D
in order to focus on his family. He's still involved with the D. He's still involved with the D Foundation. He's still working with the students he's been working with. He's still doing many of the D-related activities that he's been doing. However, as far as the DIP process goes, actively focusing on Phobos, and other activities that pertain to being one of the two heads of D, he's stepped back, and Atila Neves is now filling his role. So, for instance, when a DIP is reviewed, it's now Atila who makes the decision with Walter rather than Andrei, and poor Atila is now trying to watch all of the various Phobos PRs to keep track of what's going on. Andrei is still very much involved, just not in the same kind of leadership role that he has been, because he didn't feel that he could focus on it enough with what's going on with his family and how he's needed to focus on them. - Jonathan M Davis
Aug 13
parent reply GreatSam4sure <greatsam4sure gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 at 15:45:04 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
wrote:
 On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 9:26:35 AM MDT D. Klaw via 
 Digitalmars-d wrote:
 Apologies if this is rather verboten to ask, but is Andrei 
 moving away from D?
From what he said at dconf this year, he is taking a less 
active role in D
in order to focus on his family. He's still involved with the D. He's still involved with the D Foundation. He's still working with the students he's been working with. He's still doing many of the D-related activities that he's been doing. However, as far as the DIP process goes, actively focusing on Phobos, and other activities that pertain to being one of the two heads of D, he's stepped back, and Atila Neves is now filling his role. So, for instance, when a DIP is reviewed, it's now Atila who makes the decision with Walter rather than Andrei, and poor Atila is now trying to watch all of the various Phobos PRs to keep track of what's going on. Andrei is still very much involved, just not in the same kind of leadership role that he has been, because he didn't feel that he could focus on it enough with what's going on with his family and how he's needed to focus on them. - Jonathan M Davis
The more we have more capable hands in the Dip decisions making the more the dlang will make progress. As a very long member of the community and one with a thorough understanding of the language it will be better to be among the DIP decision. A committee of 5 persons will be better than 2. If there have been 5 persons or more making decision about the DIp and standard library the pressure on andrei would not have been much to the point of letting go of some duties. More hands pls
Aug 13
parent reply bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:
On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 at 20:08:14 UTC, GreatSam4sure wrote:

 The more we have more capable hands in the Dip decisions making 
 the more the dlang will make progress.


 As a very long member of the community and one with a thorough 
 understanding of the language it will be better to be among the 
 DIP decision. A committee of 5 persons will be better than 2.

 If there have been 5 persons or more making decision about the 
 DIp and standard library the pressure on andrei would not have 
 been much to the point of letting go of some duties.

 More hands pls
I think it's safe to say that there is not a consensus that design by committee is the best approach for a programming language. The more informed input, the better, but the final decision has to be made by a small number of people. If there are n people making decisions, the language will reflect 1/n of the values of each decision maker.
Aug 13
parent Nick Treleaven <nick geany.org> writes:
On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 at 21:01:38 UTC, bachmeier wrote:
 there is not a consensus that design by committee is the best 
 approach
Haha! I agree though, C++ has this, and it seems to slow everything down and cater to every possible use case and concern. This is why D is simpler to use and understand than C++.
Aug 20
prev sibling parent Sasha <sasha great.com> writes:
On Sunday, 18 August 2019 at 00:10:03 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
 ... "What happened to Vladimir?"...
What happened? Just kidding... I think people need to chill about gossips, and by the way Dlang have a small but great number of contributors working on different fields, like: GDC, LDC, phobos, packages, lib bindings etc. And that been said I wouldn't be worried right now about anything.
Aug 17