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digitalmars.D - I came up with a new logo for the D language

reply "Barry Smith" <barry.of.smith gmail.com> writes:
It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you 
like it.

http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png

Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG version.
Apr 12 2015
next sibling parent Rikki Cattermole <alphaglosined gmail.com> writes:
On 13/04/2015 10:01 a.m., Barry Smith wrote:
 It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you like it.

 http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png

 Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG version.
I think we should integrate our solar system's planets more into the logo. A little like what I did for The way to program - Lets think like a D(eveloper)'s title page. https://github.com/rikkimax/twp-d/blob/master/manuscript/images/title_page.png
Apr 12 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Kapps" <opantm2+spam gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 22:02:01 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:
 It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope 
 you like it.

 http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png

 Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG 
 version.
IIRC Andrei and/or Walter were quite opposed to a logo change.
Apr 12 2015
parent reply "tcak" <tcak gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 02:56:04 UTC, Kapps wrote:
 On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 22:02:01 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:
 It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope 
 you like it.

 http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png

 Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG 
 version.
IIRC Andrei and/or Walter were quite opposed to a logo change.
Problems about logo are 3 things: 1. The background (that glass effect) shouldn't be considered a part of logo. It should be changed whenever necessary. 2. The logo itself (without background) is a little wide. 3. Until you guys said, I didn't know that those are planets. They should be an original colourful logo maybe that makes this clear. But, since no changes even considered at all, there is no need it give any effort I think.
Apr 12 2015
parent reply "deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these 
aren't planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons).

What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated 
with D. Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's 
probably won't happen.
Apr 13 2015
next sibling parent reply "ixid" <adamsibson hotmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 07:12:29 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these 
 aren't planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons).

 What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated 
 with D. Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's 
 probably won't happen.
Do you think anyone outside a tiny number of forum users would recognize the logo at this stage?
Apr 13 2015
next sibling parent reply "Abdulhaq" <alynch4047 gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 10:31:06 UTC, ixid wrote:
 On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 07:12:29 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these 
 aren't planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's 
 moons).

 What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated 
 with D. Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's 
 probably won't happen.
Do you think anyone outside a tiny number of forum users would recognize the logo at this stage?
C and D share a great feature - their entire ecosystem, ethos, is expressed entirely in a single letter. On reddit or hacker news one need merely write the letter D and everyone knows what you are talking about. Only a small fraction of those people associate D with its current logo - a white D on a red "shiny" background, the white D having some sort of blob attached to it. To me the logo looks far too busy. I find it clunky, forced (because it's trying to squash in two moons and a planet) and unattractive. On the subject of the D media "brand", I don't believe there really is one. For instance, take a look at the D on the cover of Andrei's book: http://erdani.com/index.php/books/tdpl/ - no blobs in sight. I'd suggest a fresh look be introduced when the ref counting and GC work has been done, and personally I'd suggest just a simple clean 2D metro-ish "D" as the "logo", but I do realise that I am just one tiny voice of many. I think the homage to Digital Mars is just confusing in the website logo but should be retained in related product names such as phobos. To compound the heresy and further stir the Wrath of Gary :-) I'd even change the colour to blue. I hasten to add that all the above thinking is pure meaningless bikeshedding and getting a better GC is where it's all at for me :-)
Apr 13 2015
next sibling parent "Gary Willoughby" <dev nomad.so> writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 12:49:19 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
...

Walter has said many time the logo is *not* changing.

On the off chance that the logo is authorised to be changed, I 
suggest we start a fundraiser to hire professional designers and 
maybe marketeers to re-brand and market D effectively.
Apr 13 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Gary Willoughby" <dev nomad.so> writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 12:49:19 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 I'd suggest a fresh look be introduced when the ref counting 
 and GC work has been done,
Believe it or not i'm not opposed to this.
 and personally I'd suggest just a simple clean 2D metro-ish "D" 
 as the "logo",
No. This is fashion. Hire a professional to do it and make long term usability a requirement. The 2d flat look will feel very old when the big boys (Microsoft, Apple) move on. At the end of the day it's Walter's and Andrei's decision and it's not a decision to take lightly. Sometimes a new logo (and associated re-brand) can give you an energetic new direction on the other hand it can cause more issues with recognisability and market confusion.
Apr 13 2015
next sibling parent "Abdulhaq" <alynch4047 gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 15:12:18 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote:
 On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 12:49:19 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 I'd suggest a fresh look be introduced when the ref counting 
 and GC work has been done,
Believe it or not i'm not opposed to this.
 and personally I'd suggest just a simple clean 2D metro-ish 
 "D" as the "logo",
No. This is fashion. Hire a professional to do it and make long term usability a requirement. The 2d flat look will feel very old when the big boys (Microsoft, Apple) move on.
Yep it's certainly a fashion but is there really any escape from that? I agree that professionals will do a much better job than an amateur will.
 At the end of the day it's Walter's and Andrei's decision and 
 it's not a decision to take lightly. Sometimes a new logo (and 
 associated re-brand) can give you an energetic new direction on 
 the other hand it can cause more issues with recognisability 
 and market confusion.
Yes.
Apr 13 2015
prev sibling parent "Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 15:12:18 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote:
 On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 12:49:19 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 I'd suggest a fresh look be introduced when the ref counting 
 and GC work has been done,
Believe it or not i'm not opposed to this.
 and personally I'd suggest just a simple clean 2D metro-ish 
 "D" as the "logo",
No. This is fashion. Hire a professional to do it and make long term usability a requirement. The 2d flat look will feel very old when the big boys (Microsoft, Apple) move on.
I don't think any of the proposed logos have been better than the current one (which also works well as a tiny icon), but you could easily flatten the logo by just keeping the white symbol and put it on a black bar with the menu beneath as part of the current webpage upgrade. You could keep the red by making the tiny circle red. The current image is a little bit "overdone" and so much red is "screaming". Changing the outline of the logo without backing it up with a major language version announcement is rather pointless IMO.
Apr 13 2015
prev sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 4/13/15 5:49 AM, Abdulhaq wrote:
 Only a small fraction of those people associate D with its current logo
I think that's incorrect. A simple thought: if you have graphics talents and inclination there's a TON of opportunity to apply them all over dlang.org and dconf.org. Cue my desperate attempts for a good DConf logo and general look. Ironically the only untouchable part is the logo. ("The one door you shouln't open...") Have at it. Just leave the logo alone. Andrei
Apr 13 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 10:31:06 UTC, ixid wrote:
 On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 07:12:29 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these 
 aren't planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's 
 moons).

 What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated 
 with D. Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's 
 probably won't happen.
Do you think anyone outside a tiny number of forum users would recognize the logo at this stage?
Yes. I'm fairly confident that more people know about the D logo than D itself.
Apr 13 2015
prev sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 4/13/15 3:31 AM, ixid wrote:
 On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 07:12:29 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these aren't
 planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons).

 What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated with D.
 Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's probably won't happen.
Do you think anyone outside a tiny number of forum users would recognize the logo at this stage?
Yes, it's on the site, which undergoes quite a few visits daily. Surprising details with my keynote at DConf 2015. -- Andrei
Apr 13 2015
prev sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 4/13/2015 12:12 AM, deadalnix wrote:
 It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these aren't planet
 technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons).

 What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated with D. Any logo
 change goes against that goal, so that's probably won't happen.
I appreciate the effort going into making a new logo, and it's always fun to do it and talk about it, but I like the existing one better (and I agree that constantly changing the logo is tantamount to not having one, making it pointless).
Apr 13 2015
parent reply "Barry Smith" <barry.of.smith gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 18:56:45 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 4/13/2015 12:12 AM, deadalnix wrote:
 It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these 
 aren't planet
 technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons).

 What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated 
 with D. Any logo
 change goes against that goal, so that's probably won't happen.
I appreciate the effort going into making a new logo, and it's always fun to do it and talk about it, but I like the existing one better (and I agree that constantly changing the logo is tantamount to not having one, making it pointless).
Well, I guess that's that then. The master has decided.
Apr 13 2015
parent "Piotrek" <no_data no_data.pl> writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 20:25:21 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:
 On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 18:56:45 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 4/13/2015 12:12 AM, deadalnix wrote:
 It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these 
 aren't planet
 technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons).

 What does matter is that the logo is recognized and 
 associated with D. Any logo
 change goes against that goal, so that's probably won't 
 happen.
I appreciate the effort going into making a new logo, and it's always fun to do it and talk about it, but I like the existing one better (and I agree that constantly changing the logo is tantamount to not having one, making it pointless).
Well, I guess that's that then. The master has decided.
I think it's better to create logos for community events (like the latest DConf logo). Just for the record the upcoming "D Hackathon" needs more marketing. It would be good to attract some people from the outside. Piotrek
Apr 13 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Abdulhaq" <alynch4047 gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 22:02:01 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:
 It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope 
 you like it.

 http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png

 Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG 
 version.
This idea improves on the current one in that it is much clearer that the two 'blobs' are different objects to the D itself. I like it.
Apr 13 2015
parent reply "Gary Willoughby" <dev nomad.so> writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 08:14:05 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 22:02:01 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:
 It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope 
 you like it.

 http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png

 Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG 
 version.
This idea improves on the current one in that it is much clearer that the two 'blobs' are different objects to the D itself. I like it.
It's terrible and looks like a student project. Please stop trying to destroy the D brand.
Apr 13 2015
parent "Abdulhaq" <alynch4047 gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 08:26:32 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote:
 On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 08:14:05 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 22:02:01 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:
 It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope 
 you like it.

 http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png

 Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG 
 version.
This idea improves on the current one in that it is much clearer that the two 'blobs' are different objects to the D itself. I like it.
It's terrible and looks like a student project. Please stop trying to destroy the D brand.
You're making silly accusations. My skin is fairly thick so no offence taken but when it comes to 'destroying D' the sometimes toxic atmosphere here is far more effective.
Apr 13 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "Israel" <tl12000 live.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 22:02:01 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:
 It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope 
 you like it.

 http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png

 Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG 
 version.
It is difficult to associate the letter D with planets or simple/flat/metro/minimalism designs of circles and planets. Good try though...
Apr 13 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply bitwise <bitwise.pvt gmail.com> writes:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 18:01:59 -0400, Barry Smith <barry.of.smith gmail.com>  
wrote:

 It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you like  
 it.

 http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png

 Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG version.
D needs merit, not marketing. Before 2.067, my biggest problem with D were the crappy error messages and compiler bugs. The latest release seems to have improved the situation immensely. The next biggest things on my wish list are actually delivering on the "optional GC" promise, and support for mobile platforms. AFAIK, the former is possible as long as you're willing to tip-toe through a minefield, but not in any practical sense. And although the latter is already well underway, it is not officially supported.
Apr 13 2015
parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 4/13/2015 9:42 AM, bitwise wrote:
 The next biggest things on my wish list are actually delivering on the
"optional
 GC" promise
https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/3187 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/3185 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/3179 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/3178 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/3167
Apr 13 2015
prev sibling parent reply "weaselcat" <weaselcat gmail.com> writes:
I rather liked the anthropomorphized D that used to be somewhere 
on the site.
Apr 13 2015
parent reply "CraigDillabaugh" <craig.dillabaugh gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 20:45:29 UTC, weaselcat wrote:
 I rather liked the anthropomorphized D that used to be 
 somewhere on the site.
This guy : http://dlang.org/overview.html
Apr 13 2015
next sibling parent "H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d" <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 08:49:13PM +0000, CraigDillabaugh via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
 On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 20:45:29 UTC, weaselcat wrote:
I rather liked the anthropomorphized D that used to be somewhere on
the site.
This guy : http://dlang.org/overview.html
Here's my attempt to upgrade that mascot: http://eusebeia.dyndns.org/~hsteoh/tmp/mascot.png T -- People say I'm indecisive, but I'm not sure about that. -- YHL, CONLANG
Apr 13 2015
prev sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 4/13/2015 1:49 PM, CraigDillabaugh wrote:
 On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 20:45:29 UTC, weaselcat wrote:
 I rather liked the anthropomorphized D that used to be somewhere on the site.
This guy : http://dlang.org/overview.html
I drew that on an envelope many years ago, and scanned it in. My only foray into cartooning :-)
Apr 13 2015