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- Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d (16/16) Aug 11 2014 =E2=80=A6 so what's new?
- Peter Alexander (3/3) Aug 11 2014 https://www.google.com/search?q=dlang%20range%20slice%20golang
- =?UTF-8?B?U8O2bmtlIEx1ZHdpZw==?= (4/10) Aug 11 2014 I've just heard a few days ago from someone who *always* gets the
- Andrei Alexandrescu (5/18) Aug 11 2014 https://www.google.com/search?q=dlang%20-golang&gws_rd=ssl
- Peter Alexander (4/28) Aug 11 2014 Assuming Google trends is also biased, it would seem not:
- Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d (21/23) Aug 11 2014 On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 08:37 -0700, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
- AsmMan (2/19) Aug 11 2014 Same here. It's so annoying.
- H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d (8/25) Aug 11 2014 Hmm. I wonder if they may have gone a little overboard with search
- Andrei Alexandrescu (3/19) Aug 11 2014 Use the "-" operator, e.g. dlang -golang
- =?UTF-8?Q?Klaim_=2D_Jo=C3=ABl_Lamotte?= via Digitalmars-d (5/29) Aug 11 2014 Shouldn't the website be upper in the rank if it was using ssl?
- Andrei Alexandrescu (3/9) Aug 11 2014 https://www.google.com/search?q=golang%20vs%20dlang%20slice&gws_rd=ssl
- Dicebot (4/18) Aug 11 2014 I see only one "dlang" link with this search query (better than 0
- Marco Leise (15/23) Aug 12 2014 Am Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:23:19 +0100
- ketmar via Digitalmars-d (7/8) Aug 12 2014 s+OR+slice+OR+slices
- ketmar via Digitalmars-d (3/4) Aug 12 2014 sorry, i somehow missed that line. mea culpa.
=E2=80=A6 so what's new? I was trying to search for web-based material on D ranges and Go slices to see if they are basically the same thing. As soon as golang is a query term, no other language makes it onto the front page of the query results, cf. "dlang range slice golang" Google definitely try to push Go :-) --=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
Aug 11 2014
"Peter Alexander" <peter.alexander.au gmail.com> https://www.google.com/search?q=dlang%20range%20slice%20golang "Did you mean: golang range slice golang" Wat!
Aug 11 2014
Am 11.08.2014 17:23, schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d:… so what's new? I was trying to search for web-based material on D ranges and Go slices to see if they are basically the same thing. As soon as golang is a query term, no other language makes it onto the front page of the query results, cf. "dlang range slice golang" Google definitely try to push Go :-)I've just heard a few days ago from someone who *always* gets the suggestion to search for "golang" instead of "dlang", so it's not even possible to properly search for dlang results alone.
Aug 11 2014
On 8/11/14, 8:34 AM, Sönke Ludwig wrote:Am 11.08.2014 17:23, schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d:https://www.google.com/search?q=dlang%20-golang&gws_rd=ssl I wouldn't be surprised if there's some manual biasing at work, but I don't think there is. Andrei… so what's new? I was trying to search for web-based material on D ranges and Go slices to see if they are basically the same thing. As soon as golang is a query term, no other language makes it onto the front page of the query results, cf. "dlang range slice golang" Google definitely try to push Go :-)I've just heard a few days ago from someone who *always* gets the suggestion to search for "golang" instead of "dlang", so it's not even possible to properly search for dlang results alone.
Aug 11 2014
On Monday, 11 August 2014 at 15:37:04 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:On 8/11/14, 8:34 AM, Sönke Ludwig wrote:Assuming Google trends is also biased, it would seem not: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=dlang%2C%20golangAm 11.08.2014 17:23, schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d:https://www.google.com/search?q=dlang%20-golang&gws_rd=ssl I wouldn't be surprised if there's some manual biasing at work, but I don't think there is. Andrei… so what's new? I was trying to search for web-based material on D ranges and Go slices to see if they are basically the same thing. As soon as golang is a query term, no other language makes it onto the front page of the query results, cf. "dlang range slice golang" Google definitely try to push Go :-)I've just heard a few days ago from someone who *always* gets the suggestion to search for "golang" instead of "dlang", so it's not even possible to properly search for dlang results alone.
Aug 11 2014
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 08:37 -0700, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d wrote: [=E2=80=A6]I wouldn't be surprised if there's some manual biasing at work, but I=20 don't think there is.I don't think we have to consider manual biasing, I think the nature of the algorithm automatically biases Google sources against any other. The bias here is I think systemic for reasons completely separate to D and Go. It's really annoying though. The question remains though =E2=80=94 for a separate thread I think =E2=80= =94 are D's ranges and Go's slices same/similar/analogous/totally different. --=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
Aug 11 2014
On Monday, 11 August 2014 at 15:34:30 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:Am 11.08.2014 17:23, schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d:Same here. It's so annoying.… so what's new? I was trying to search for web-based material on D ranges and Go slices to see if they are basically the same thing. As soon as golang is a query term, no other language makes it onto the front page of the query results, cf. "dlang range slice golang" Google definitely try to push Go :-)I've just heard a few days ago from someone who *always* gets the suggestion to search for "golang" instead of "dlang", so it's not even possible to properly search for dlang results alone.
Aug 11 2014
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 04:06:35PM +0000, AsmMan via Digitalmars-d wrote:On Monday, 11 August 2014 at 15:34:30 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:Hmm. I wonder if they may have gone a little overboard with search result customization -- if I search for 'dlang' I always get dlang.org at the top of the search results, and it never suggests "golang" instead. T -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who can count in binary, and those who can't.Am 11.08.2014 17:23, schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d:Same here. It's so annoying.… so what's new? I was trying to search for web-based material on D ranges and Go slices to see if they are basically the same thing. As soon as golang is a query term, no other language makes it onto the front page of the query results, cf. "dlang range slice golang" Google definitely try to push Go :-)I've just heard a few days ago from someone who *always* gets the suggestion to search for "golang" instead of "dlang", so it's not even possible to properly search for dlang results alone.
Aug 11 2014
On 8/11/14, 9:06 AM, AsmMan wrote:On Monday, 11 August 2014 at 15:34:30 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:Use the "-" operator, e.g. dlang -golang AndreiAm 11.08.2014 17:23, schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d:Same here. It's so annoying.… so what's new? I was trying to search for web-based material on D ranges and Go slices to see if they are basically the same thing. As soon as golang is a query term, no other language makes it onto the front page of the query results, cf. "dlang range slice golang" Google definitely try to push Go :-)I've just heard a few days ago from someone who *always* gets the suggestion to search for "golang" instead of "dlang", so it's not even possible to properly search for dlang results alone.
Aug 11 2014
Shouldn't the website be upper in the rank if it was using ssl? On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d < digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:On 8/11/14, 9:06 AM, AsmMan wrote:sOn Monday, 11 August 2014 at 15:34:30 UTC, S=C3=B6nke Ludwig wrote:Am 11.08.2014 17:23, schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d:=E2=80=A6 so what's new? I was trying to search for web-based material on D ranges and Go slice=yto see if they are basically the same thing. As soon as golang is a query term, no other language makes it onto the front page of the quer=Use the "-" operator, e.g. dlang -golang AndreiSame here. It's so annoying.results, cf. "dlang range slice golang" Google definitely try to push Go :-)I've just heard a few days ago from someone who *always* gets the suggestion to search for "golang" instead of "dlang", so it's not even possible to properly search for dlang results alone.
Aug 11 2014
On 8/11/14, 8:23 AM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:… so what's new? I was trying to search for web-based material on D ranges and Go slices to see if they are basically the same thing. As soon as golang is a query term, no other language makes it onto the front page of the query results, cf. "dlang range slice golang" Google definitely try to push Go :-)https://www.google.com/search?q=golang%20vs%20dlang%20slice&gws_rd=ssl ain't that bad. -- Andrei
Aug 11 2014
On Monday, 11 August 2014 at 15:36:12 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:On 8/11/14, 8:23 AM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:I see only one "dlang" link with this search query (better than 0 though!)… so what's new? I was trying to search for web-based material on D ranges and Go slices to see if they are basically the same thing. As soon as golang is a query term, no other language makes it onto the front page of the query results, cf. "dlang range slice golang" Google definitely try to push Go :-)https://www.google.com/search?q=golang%20vs%20dlang%20slice&gws_rd=ssl ain't that bad. -- Andrei
Aug 11 2014
Am Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:23:19 +0100 schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com>:=E2=80=A6 so what's new? =20 I was trying to search for web-based material on D ranges and Go slices to see if they are basically the same thing. As soon as golang is a query term, no other language makes it onto the front page of the query results, cf. "dlang range slice golang" =20 Google definitely try to push Go :-)I think the results are bad in part due to Google using 'dlang' synonymously with 'd'. So you get dozens of false positives which flood the first page of search results. %d you'd I'd Use the "literal" search instead, which disables synonyms: https://www.google.de/search?tbs=3Dli%3A1&q=3Ddlang+golang+range+OR+ranges+= OR+slice+OR+slices I think these results look very fair. --=20 Marco
Aug 12 2014
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:05:26 +0200 Marco Leise via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:https://www.google.de/search?tbs=3Dli%3A1&q=3Ddlang+golang+range+OR+range=s+OR+slice+OR+slices there is no need to specify plural forms, engine is clever enough. besides, many (if not all) sites using "D" instead of "dlang", so quoting "dlang" and/or using +dlang does not work good. Google-Fu is difficult! ;-)
Aug 12 2014
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:05:26 +0200 Marco Leise via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:Use the "literal" search instead, which disables synonyms:sorry, i somehow missed that line. mea culpa.
Aug 12 2014