• Trass3r (3/3) Jan 17 2011 new2d's recent post made me think about this.
• new2d (2/5) Jan 17 2011 You should seriously consider if D is the next big language. It's hard t...
• Gary Whatmore (4/11) Jan 17 2011 Probably answering to a troll, but you see D is a pragmatic language. We...
• Daniel Gibson (6/17) Jan 18 2011 AFAIK Andrei used D in his Doctoral Thesis, there was also that guy who ...
• Don (10/24) Jan 18 2011 Definitely not a troll!
• bearophile (5/7) Jan 18 2011 If you spend all time reading and writing about ideas you never create s...
• Daniel Gibson (6/8) Jan 18 2011 One problem may be that DMD's back end is not open source.

Trass3r <un known.com> writes:

new2d's recent post made me think about this.
Couldn't we try to get D development sponsored by Google SoC or something  
similar?

new2d <too difficult.is> writes:

Trass3r Wrote:

 new2d's recent post made me think about this.
 Couldn't we try to get D development sponsored by Google SoC or something  
 similar?

You should seriously consider if D is the next big language. It's hard to
believe D works without major funding. All the other high performance languages
and projects are getting multimillion dollar grants. There's also half a dozen
books about D, but when I tried to find papers about D from Citeseer, I came
back empty handed. Was the conference in the past associated with ACM?

Gary Whatmore <no spam.sp> writes:

new2d Wrote:

 Trass3r Wrote:
 
 new2d's recent post made me think about this.
 Couldn't we try to get D development sponsored by Google SoC or something  
 similar?

 
 You should seriously consider if D is the next big language. It's hard to
believe D works without major funding. All the other high performance languages
and projects are getting multimillion dollar grants. There's also half a dozen
books about D, but when I tried to find papers about D from Citeseer, I came
back empty handed. Was the conference in the past associated with ACM?

Probably answering to a troll, but you see D is a pragmatic language. We don't
write academic nonsense. All the papers are there on the web. See the Dr Dobbs
page and the links in the left bar on digitalmars.com site. See the Bartosz's
blog. Agile software development produces very small amounts of document
deliverables. What you see is rapid prototyping in action. A single man made an
earth shattering new language for serious computing tasks. If we spent all day
writing papers, there simply would be no D.

Later when other co-operative members found the language, a git repository was
made for distributed teamwork. There is also a D wiki project. These all
provides an equal position to all community members. We could write as much
documentation as we want together, but we've chosen developing code instead.

I don't know about the conference. Took place before I found D. They probably
had connections to Amazon. You might find some old (outdated) slides from the
web.

Daniel Gibson <metalcaedes gmail.com> writes:

Am 18.01.2011 06:14, schrieb Gary Whatmore:
 new2d Wrote:

 Trass3r Wrote:

 new2d's recent post made me think about this.
 Couldn't we try to get D development sponsored by Google SoC or something
 similar?

 You should seriously consider if D is the next big language. It's hard to
believe D works without major funding. All the other high performance languages
and projects are getting multimillion dollar grants. There's also half a dozen
books about D, but when I tried to find papers about D from Citeseer, I came
back empty handed. Was the conference in the past associated with ACM?

 Probably answering to a troll, but you see D is a pragmatic language. We don't
write academic nonsense. All the papers are there on the web. See the Dr Dobbs
page and the links in the left bar on digitalmars.com site. See the Bartosz's
blog. Agile software development produces very small amounts of document
deliverables. What you see is rapid prototyping in action. A single man made an
earth shattering new language for serious computing tasks. If we spent all day
writing papers, there simply would be no D.

 Later when other co-operative members found the language, a git repository was
made for distributed teamwork. There is also a D wiki project. These all
provides an equal position to all community members. We could write as much
documentation as we want together, but we've chosen developing code instead.

 I don't know about the conference. Took place before I found D. They probably
had connections to Amazon. You might find some old (outdated) slides from the
web.

AFAIK Andrei used D in his Doctoral Thesis, there was also that guy who wrote
an 
advanced Garbage Collector for D as his masters thesis.. so D *is* used in 
academics as well.

Cheers,
- Daniel

Don <nospam nospam.com> writes:

Gary Whatmore wrote:
 new2d Wrote:
 
 Trass3r Wrote:

 new2d's recent post made me think about this.
 Couldn't we try to get D development sponsored by Google SoC or something  
 similar?

 You should seriously consider if D is the next big language. It's hard to
believe D works without major funding. All the other high performance languages
and projects are getting multimillion dollar grants. There's also half a dozen
books about D, but when I tried to find papers about D from Citeseer, I came
back empty handed. Was the conference in the past associated with ACM?

 
 Probably answering to a troll, but you see D is a pragmatic language. We don't
write academic nonsense. All the papers are there on the web. See the Dr Dobbs
page and the links in the left bar on digitalmars.com site. See the Bartosz's
blog. Agile software development produces very small amounts of document
deliverables. What you see is rapid prototyping in action. A single man made an
earth shattering new language for serious computing tasks. If we spent all day
writing papers, there simply would be no D.
 
 Later when other co-operative members found the language, a git repository was
made for distributed teamwork. There is also a D wiki project. These all
provides an equal position to all community members. We could write as much
documentation as we want together, but we've chosen developing code instead.
 
 I don't know about the conference. Took place before I found D. They probably
had connections to Amazon. You might find some old (outdated) slides from the
web.

Definitely not a troll!
Here's the reality of D: It's a very ambitious language, with a small 
development team. We have no large-scale corporate backing.
We believe we have very strong fundamentals, but the language 
implementation is essentially in an advanced beta stage. The standard 
library is about halfway through the beta stage.
The toolchain is far from maturity.

So, I agree, we need a attract a major sponsor. Until then, we're doing 
the best we can. We've come a very long way in the last year.

bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:

Gary Whatmore:

 but you see D is a pragmatic language. We don't write academic nonsense.

Scala language shows that having some theoretical basis for the language design
gives some advantages too :-) Being against ideas is stupid, since before Stone
Age.


 A single man made an earth shattering new language for serious computing
tasks. If we spent all day writing papers, there simply would be no D.

If you spend all time reading and writing about ideas you never create
something that works and is useful, but if you never study&invent new ideas,
you create obsolete things and you lose one of the best pleasures of life. So
you need to find some middle point.

Bye,
bearophile

Daniel Gibson <metalcaedes gmail.com> writes:

Am 18.01.2011 00:45, schrieb Trass3r:
 new2d's recent post made me think about this.
 Couldn't we try to get D development sponsored by Google SoC or something
similar?

One problem may be that DMD's back end is not open source.
But for GDC/LDC/Phobos or maybe even only the frontend that is then used in all 
compilers it may be possible?

Cheers,
- Daniel