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digitalmars.D - Go 2017 Survey Results

reply Ali <fakeemail example.com> writes:
This link was posted today on hacker news (ycombinator)
https://blog.golang.org/survey2017-results
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16468358

My biggest takes from this are
1) people are looking for python alternatives, probably more so 
than c alternatives
2) generic programming is important

As I understand the results of this survey, will be use to guide 
Go's development
this is in my opinion very inclusive and transparent
Feb 26 2018
next sibling parent Russel Winder <russel winder.org.uk> writes:
On Mon, 2018-02-26 at 21:04 +0000, Ali via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 This link was posted today on hacker news (ycombinator)
 https://blog.golang.org/survey2017-results
 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D16468358
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Feb 26 2018
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 09:04:20PM +0000, Ali via Digitalmars-d wrote:
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 2) generic programming is important
[...] It's something sorely lacking in Go, so it's not unsurprising it's a big item on the list. T -- BREAKFAST.COM halted...Cereal Port Not Responding. -- YHL
Feb 26 2018
parent reply bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:
On Monday, 26 February 2018 at 21:37:40 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 09:04:20PM +0000, Ali via Digitalmars-d 
 wrote: [...]
 2) generic programming is important
[...] It's something sorely lacking in Go, so it's not unsurprising it's a big item on the list. T
It's also something that they've kept out of the language by design. I don't disagree with that decision either. If the selling points are fast compilation and code that is simple to write and read without much knowledge of the language, it's hard to see how generics fit in. Look at D. Templates slow compilation and having a standard library that emphasizes generic code makes it much harder to learn.
Feb 27 2018
parent reply JN <666total wp.pl> writes:
On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 at 15:01:45 UTC, bachmeier wrote:
 It's also something that they've kept out of the language by 
 design. I don't disagree with that decision either. If the 
 selling points are fast compilation and code that is simple to 
 write and read without much knowledge of the language, it's 
 hard to see how generics fit in. Look at D. Templates slow 
 compilation and having a standard library that emphasizes 
 generic code makes it much harder to learn.
I'm no expert on programming language design, but I think there is a difference between templates and generics. At the basic level they are used for similar things - specializing container types, etc. But templates usually allow much more, so they end up being layers of layers of compile time code, e.g. D and Boost, which while nifty has it's compilation time cost.
Feb 27 2018
next sibling parent Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= <ola.fosheim.grostad gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 at 15:30:44 UTC, JN wrote:
 I'm no expert on programming language design, but I think there 
 is a difference between templates and generics. At the basic 
 level they are used for similar things - specializing container 
 types, etc. But templates usually allow much more, so they end 
 up being layers of layers of compile time code, e.g. D and 
 Boost, which while nifty has it's compilation time cost.
Generic programming just means that you leave out the specification for some types in the code for later. C++-style templates like D has is one solution to generic programming. When some people write Ā«genericsĀ» they probably think of Java and something that is like that...
Feb 27 2018
prev sibling parent bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:
On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 at 15:30:44 UTC, JN wrote:

 I'm no expert on programming language design, but I think there 
 is a difference between templates and generics. At the basic 
 level they are used for similar things - specializing container 
 types, etc. But templates usually allow much more, so they end 
 up being layers of layers of compile time code, e.g. D and 
 Boost, which while nifty has it's compilation time cost.
I agree. But I don't know of any way to add generics without slowing compilation or making the language harder to use, even if it's something other than templates.
Feb 27 2018
prev sibling parent jmh530 <john.michael.hall gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 26 February 2018 at 21:04:20 UTC, Ali wrote:
 This link was posted today on hacker news (ycombinator)
 https://blog.golang.org/survey2017-results
 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16468358

 My biggest takes from this are
 1) people are looking for python alternatives, probably more so 
 than c alternatives
 2) generic programming is important
Or why I learned D.
Feb 26 2018