digitalmars.D - Friends of Rust
- Laeeth Isharc (2/2) May 01 2016 https://www.rust-lang.org/friends.html
- Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d (15/18) May 01 2016 That webpage really is fairly dreadful when using a dark theme.
- Laeeth Isharc (5/12) May 01 2016 And yet if you are somebody in an enterprise with decision
- Seb (18/32) May 01 2016 @Laeeth: This is the _most often_ asked question by friends - aka
- Seb (5/6) May 01 2016 I just found this wiki site - https://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use
- qznc (12/19) May 01 2016 We want to show well-known companies of course. E.g. Facebook is
- WebFreak001 (3/10) May 01 2016 I would put it on the start page like on other programming
- Seb (8/15) May 26 2016 PR is out:
- Laeeth Isharc (5/23) May 26 2016 That's great - looks really good and gets the message across
- Seb (9/29) May 26 2016 I think as long as we don't make any money (or are non-profit),
- Laeeth Isharc (2/20) May 26 2016 Nit - typo under eBay e-commerce company
- Laeeth Isharc (23/58) May 01 2016 Yes, exactly. Cialdini's "Influence" social proof principle.
https://www.rust-lang.org/friends.html Time for us to do a bit better than just a wiki page ?
May 01 2016
On Sun, 2016-05-01 at 09:18 +0000, Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d wrote:https://www.rust-lang.org/friends.html =20 Time for us to do a bit better than just a wiki page ?That webpage really is fairly dreadful when using a dark theme. Also I'd only heard of two of the organizations. =C2=A0 --=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
May 01 2016
On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 10:37:26 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:On Sun, 2016-05-01 at 09:18 +0000, Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d wrote:And yet if you are somebody in an enterprise with decision making authority and therefore with too much to do and using heuristic thinking a bit too much, which page makes the better impression?https://www.rust-lang.org/friends.html Time for us to do a bit better than just a wiki page ?That webpage really is fairly dreadful when using a dark theme. Also I'd only heard of two of the organizations.
May 01 2016
On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 15:58:54 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 10:37:26 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:Laeeth: This is the _most often_ asked question by friends - aka "Who is using it?" = is it one of those trendy, nerdy theory projects - or is actually trustworthy. So yes not only enterprises, but also "normal" people don't want to develop code in a language that is untrustworthy (=no huge userbase/backer), because they have the fear that it might not be compile-able in the future (=language death). Another aspect that's probably also an important factor, don't worry I don't think like this, but I know friends who do: "why should I learn a language if it's not used in production and thus I can't get a job with it?" -> I think it's a great idea, too. We should get such a site too! So which companies could be "friends of D"? Just throwing in some names I heard in the last couple of weeks: Sociomantic? Ebay? Facebook? Weka? So if you are using D in your company, please shout!On Sun, 2016-05-01 at 09:18 +0000, Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d wrote:And yet if you are somebody in an enterprise with decision making authority and therefore with too much to do and using heuristic thinking a bit too much, which page makes the better impression?https://www.rust-lang.org/friends.html Time for us to do a bit better than just a wiki page ?That webpage really is fairly dreadful when using a dark theme. Also I'd only heard of two of the organizations.
May 01 2016
On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 16:26:55 UTC, Seb wrote:So which companies could be "friends of D"?I just found this wiki site - https://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use -> apparently it's a bit hidden, so let's get this to as "friends of D" to dlang.org? I would be happy to open a PR, which should I pick?
May 01 2016
qznc <qznc web.de> On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 17:11:17 UTC, Seb wrote:On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 16:26:55 UTC, Seb wrote:We want to show well-known companies of course. E.g. Facebook is a must. Sociomantic is a must, because they are essentially a D shop. While others use D only in internal or side projects. Another aspect is breadth. Show companies from different industries and also explicitly say that. There is Remedy Games for the games industry, Auburn Sounds for audio, Random Storm for security, etc. Another thought: Does the D foundation have official sponsors yet? Rewarding them with a mention on dlang.org might be a good idea.So which companies could be "friends of D"?I just found this wiki site - https://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use -> apparently it's a bit hidden, so let's get this to as "friends of D" to dlang.org? I would be happy to open a PR, which should I pick?
May 01 2016
On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 17:11:17 UTC, Seb wrote:On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 16:26:55 UTC, Seb wrote:I would put it on the start page like on other programming project pagesSo which companies could be "friends of D"?I just found this wiki site - https://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use -> apparently it's a bit hidden, so let's get this to as "friends of D" to dlang.org? I would be happy to open a PR, which should I pick?
May 01 2016
On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 17:11:17 UTC, Seb wrote:On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 16:26:55 UTC, Seb wrote:PR is out: https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/pull/1312 Feel free to suggest other organizations and improve it. I hope that helps to improve the public image of D ;-) Should we also have a similar page "Notable projects in D"? The wiki page on this is a bit sparse, but I am sure we can find good projects?So which companies could be "friends of D"?I just found this wiki site - https://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use -> apparently it's a bit hidden, so let's get this to as "friends of D" to dlang.org? I would be happy to open a PR, which should I pick?
May 26 2016
On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 00:55:34 UTC, Seb wrote:On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 17:11:17 UTC, Seb wrote:That's great - looks really good and gets the message across clearly. I don't know, but one might need to check with the organisations involved before using their logo.On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 16:26:55 UTC, Seb wrote:PR is out: https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/pull/1312 Feel free to suggest other organizations and improve it. I hope that helps to improve the public image of D ;-) Should we also have a similar page "Notable projects in D"? The wiki page on this is a bit sparse, but I am sure we can find good projects?So which companies could be "friends of D"?I just found this wiki site - https://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use -> apparently it's a bit hidden, so let's get this to as "friends of D" to dlang.org? I would be happy to open a PR, which should I pick?
May 26 2016
On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 01:51:24 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 00:55:34 UTC, Seb wrote:I think as long as we don't make any money (or are non-profit), we are good. Wikipedia has the following policy:[...]That's great - looks really good and gets the message across clearly. I don't know, but one might need to check with the organisations involved before using their logo.Note that it is not necessary to seek formal permission from the owner in advance of using its logo, so long as the usage is fair use, does not create any impression that the logo is associated with Wikipedia or endorses either Wikipedia or the article in which the logo appears, and does not create any reasonable grounds for complaint by the owner....This is a logo of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by copyright and possibly trademark. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, of logos for certain uses involving identification and critical commentary may qualify as fair use under United States copyright law.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Logos Imho we clearly state differentiate by saying: "Organizations running D in production.".Nit - typo under eBay e-commerce companyThanks.
May 26 2016
On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 00:55:34 UTC, Seb wrote:On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 17:11:17 UTC, Seb wrote:Nit - typo under eBay e-commerce companyOn Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 16:26:55 UTC, Seb wrote:PR is out: https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/pull/1312 Feel free to suggest other organizations and improve it. I hope that helps to improve the public image of D ;-) Should we also have a similar page "Notable projects in D"? The wiki page on this is a bit sparse, but I am sure we can find good projects?So which companies could be "friends of D"?I just found this wiki site - https://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use -> apparently it's a bit hidden, so let's get this to as "friends of D" to dlang.org? I would be happy to open a PR, which should I pick?
May 26 2016
On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 16:26:55 UTC, Seb wrote:On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 15:58:54 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:Yes, exactly. Cialdini's "Influence" social proof principle. It's not only a question of narrow rationality, but also because people in organizations tend to rely on heuristics for decision-making. So it's a no-brainer to tell people who is using it, and I wouldn't worry about filtering it - we should just organize by sector perhaps, and flesh out the information about the companies so it's more than just a single line.On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 10:37:26 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:Laeeth: This is the _most often_ asked question by friends - aka "Who is using it?" = is it one of those trendy, nerdy theory projects - or is actually trustworthy.On Sun, 2016-05-01 at 09:18 +0000, Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d wrote:And yet if you are somebody in an enterprise with decision making authority and therefore with too much to do and using heuristic thinking a bit too much, which page makes the better impression?https://www.rust-lang.org/friends.html Time for us to do a bit better than just a wiki page ?That webpage really is fairly dreadful when using a dark theme. Also I'd only heard of two of the organizations.So yes not only enterprises, but also "normal" people don't want to develop code in a language that is untrustworthy (=no huge userbase/backer), because they have the fear that it might not be compile-able in the future (=language death).Yes - so we should be honest, but not hide our light under a bushel, as we do currently. That part is one that should be shiniest, because it's key to make a good impression, and a wiki page doesn't really cut the mustard if someone isn't already determined to try D.Another aspect that's probably also an important factor, don't worry I don't think like this, but I know friends who do: "why should I learn a language if it's not used in production and thus I can't get a job with it?"Well, it won't be possible at this stage to persuade everyone, and one shouldn't expect to succeed. But we could do a better job appealing to those who already want to try D but haven't yet taken the first step.-> I think it's a great idea, too. We should get such a site too! So which companies could be "friends of D"? Just throwing in some names I heard in the last couple of weeks: Sociomantic? Ebay? Facebook? Weka? So if you are using D in your company, please shout!The wiki page is a good start. Maybe some kind of official sponsorship category makes sense (that's a matter for the Foundation or Walter+Andrei), but one should at least show that there are sensible companies not prone to using technologies out of mere idle intellectual curiosity that are doing real work with D.
May 01 2016