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reply Vic Cekvenich <cekvenich.vic gmail.com> writes:
I think interesting/relevant:

- http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1180

Cheers,
Vic
Aug 28 2014
next sibling parent reply "Jonathan M Davis" <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:
On Thursday, 28 August 2014 at 17:49:44 UTC, Vic Cekvenich wrote:

 I think interesting/relevant:

 - http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1180


This reminds me of how one of my coworkers suggested at one point 
that it would be great if someone created cleaner, safer C - but 
didn't try and add fancy features to it. For example, you have a 
module system instead of the preprocessor or arrays with a length 
member, but you don't add stuff like classes or a GC. The "new" 
stuff int he language would basically just be cleaning up 
existing features in C rather than adding anything major to it. 
So, you'd get a language that's more modern and less error-prone 
than C, but it's still very simple. But as nice an idea as that 
might be, I doubt that such a language would stand much of a 
chance. Anyone creating a new language is going to want to add 
new stuff, not just clean up C. And the diehard C guys probably 
would refuse to look at anything but C regardless. It at least 
sounds like a nice idea in principle though. This "friendly C" 
doesn't go that far, but it is essentially trying to do the same 
thing - have a cleaner, more friendly version of C.

- Jonathan M Davis
Aug 28 2014
parent reply "Israel" <tl12000 live.com> writes:
On Thursday, 28 August 2014 at 18:30:09 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:

 On Thursday, 28 August 2014 at 17:49:44 UTC, Vic Cekvenich The 
 "new" stuff int he language would basically just be cleaning up 
 existing features in C rather than adding anything major to it. 
 So, you'd get a language that's more modern and less 
 error-prone than C, but it's still very simple. But as nice an 
 idea as that might be, I doubt that such a language would stand 
 much of a chance. Anyone creating a new language is going to 
 want to add new stuff, not just clean up C.


Many would say otherwise. I think the reason alot of modern

look at them and not get a headache. Which means they were
derived from the concept of having a programming language that
was not just user friendly, but also cleaner and easier to learn
than the mess that is C/C++.

Believe it or not, many of us are here because of that very
reason, we want something that is just or nearly as good as C/C++
but without the mess. Even if its still using the C/C++ training
wheels.
Aug 28 2014
parent "Jonathan M Davis" <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:
On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 00:50:35 UTC, Israel wrote:

 Believe it or not, many of us are here because of that very
 reason, we want something that is just or nearly as good as 
 C/C++
 but without the mess. Even if its still using the C/C++ training
 wheels.


Of course, but that inevitably leads to a language with new, 
fancy features rather than something that's essentially just a 
cleaned up C. D cleans up lots of stuff from C++, but it added 
tons of stuff of its own. And even a simple language like Go 
added new stuff (though it also took away features from C). I'd 
be surprised to see a language take off that was anything close 
to just a cleaned up C, much as such a language would 
theoretically be nice to have in a variety of contexts.

- Jonathan M Davis
Aug 28 2014
prev sibling parent "uri" <mail gmail.com> writes:
These are of similar nature I believe for c++

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/PDF/ModestProposal.pdf
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/PDF/SPECS.pdf

This paper was by my c++ lecturer at the time it was published. A 
fantastic coder as well as academic who unfortunately was lost to 
Perl around the same time :D Below is an example of what that 
does to a person :)

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html

Cheers uri
Aug 28 2014