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digitalmars.D - FAQ in D conference 2007

reply HATA <hata mail1.big.or.jp> writes:
Hello

I read a FAQ page of D conference 2007.
There is "Why not in Europe ?" in that page.
I was disapointed at seeing it.
It's seem to me that D's developpers are looking at only Eupope and U.S.A.
Is it ture ?

Of course, it's a small thing.
But, many people will read yours thinking and philosophy from it.

I believe that a true new and useful programing language should be developped
in world-wide not only Europe and U.S.A.
Jun 22 2007
next sibling parent Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
HATA wrote:

 Hello
 
 I read a FAQ page of D conference 2007.
 There is "Why not in Europe ?" in that page.
 I was disapointed at seeing it.
 It's seem to me that D's developpers are looking at only Eupope and U.S.A.
 Is it ture ?
 
 Of course, it's a small thing.
 But, many people will read yours thinking and philosophy from it.
 
 I believe that a true new and useful programing language should be developped
in world-wide not only Europe and U.S.A.
 


Agreed.  I was surprised to see Europe singled out there too.  But I 
chose to read it as {INSERT YOUR REGION HERE}, because I'm sure that's 
what they meant to say.

--bb
Jun 22 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent torhu <fake address.dude> writes:
HATA wrote:

 Hello
 
 I read a FAQ page of D conference 2007.
 There is "Why not in Europe ?" in that page.
 I was disapointed at seeing it.
 It's seem to me that D's developpers are looking at only Eupope and U.S.A.
 Is it ture ?
 
 Of course, it's a small thing.
 But, many people will read yours thinking and philosophy from it.
 
 I believe that a true new and useful programing language should be developped
in world-wide not only Europe and U.S.A.
 


Moving around the world through IP is cheap, going by plane is not.
Jun 22 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
HATA wrote:

 Hello
 
 I read a FAQ page of D conference 2007.
 There is "Why not in Europe ?" in that page.
 I was disapointed at seeing it.
 It's seem to me that D's developpers are looking at only Eupope and U.S.A.
 Is it ture ?
 
 Of course, it's a small thing.
 But, many people will read yours thinking and philosophy from it.
 
 I believe that a true new and useful programing language should be developped
in world-wide not only Europe and U.S.A.


The FAQ is listed that way because that's how the questions were raised. 
  You can read it as Why not in <somewhere else>?  Your disappointment 
is of your own making, not out of any sense of intentionally trying to 
offend anyone.  'D developers' aren't looking at any geography, it's 
just not even a relevant topic.  I'll reword the faq, but really, the 
issue strikes me as rather petty.

Later,
Brad
Jun 22 2007
parent reply Hasan Aljudy <hasan.aljudy gmail.com> writes:
Brad Roberts wrote:

 'D developers' aren't looking at any geography, it's 
 just not even a relevant topic.  I'll reword the faq, but really, the 
 issue strikes me as rather petty.


Culture shock?
Jun 24 2007
parent Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
Hasan Aljudy wrote:

 
 
 Brad Roberts wrote:

 'D developers' aren't looking at any geography, it's just not even a 
 relevant topic.  I'll reword the faq, but really, the issue strikes me 
 as rather petty.


 
 Culture shock?


This thread needs to end, but I didn't want to leave it with 'silence 
implies acceptance.'

I find the implication rather insulting.  It's false and lacks 
foundation.  I regularly work with people from all over the planet, but 
you have no way of knowing that.  Please avoid leaping to such 
inaccurate conclusions in the future.

Later,
Brad
Jun 25 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply HATA <hata mail1.big.or.jp> writes:
Moving around the world through IP is cheap, going by plane is not.


Of course! I don't say that developpers must go around the world. I say why did
he/she write down "Why is it opened in Seattle ?".

Ok, I know that it's the questions were raised, really. But even though a case,
I think that it shouldn't be written down like "Why not in Europe?".
I understand that making D language is a world-wide big project and challenge.
so, I think we should be careful of small things like a statesman. Because I
think that breaking/friction of human communication may begin to start from
small thing like it. 


I'll reword the faq, but really, the issue strikes me as rather petty.


Thank you for your reply and rewording.
But, if you don't agree with me about importance of this, you may do a kind of
that again, someday. I wish it's really petty thing and my groundless fear. But
a man reading context like that is not only me. In BBS in Japan, I found a few
people were talking as same as like me.

Perhaps, Which people can read & write in English very well may not mis-read
like that. But, for example, I heard phobos is not useful in using Japanese,
because there is not characteristic-code filter and so on. It's easy to doubt
to people that developpers are looking at only English area. Moreover, if they
look at a sencence like that in conference page, I think they must be convinced
of thinking of that.
Jun 23 2007
parent Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
HATA wrote:

 Moving around the world through IP is cheap, going by plane is not.


 
 Of course! I don't say that developpers must go around the world. I say why
did he/she write down "Why is it opened in Seattle ?".
 
 Ok, I know that it's the questions were raised, really. But even though a
case, I think that it shouldn't be written down like "Why not in Europe?".
 I understand that making D language is a world-wide big project and challenge.
so, I think we should be careful of small things like a statesman. Because I
think that breaking/friction of human communication may begin to start from
small thing like it. 


Actually I did say I wouldn't be coming unless it was held in Tokyo:
http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D.announce&article_id=5583


 I'll reword the faq, but really, the issue strikes me as rather petty.




Small yes.  Petty, no.


 Thank you for your reply and rewording.
 But, if you don't agree with me about importance of this, you may do a kind of
that again, someday. I wish it's really petty thing and my groundless fear. But
a man reading context like that is not only me. In BBS in Japan, I found a few
people were talking as same as like me.


It would probably help if you guys could post every once in a while on 
the main newsgroups here just to let everyone know you're still there. 
Seems that has been happening a bit more recently, so that's good to see.


 Perhaps, Which people can read & write in English very well may not mis-read
like that. But, for example, I heard phobos is not useful in using Japanese,
because there is not characteristic-code filter and so on. It's easy to doubt
to people that developpers are looking at only English area. Moreover, if they
look at a sencence like that in conference page, I think they must be convinced
of thinking of that.


Well I'm pretty sure for those sorts of issues, contributions from 
people who need the features are the way to go.  Walter's a compiler 
writer, not an I18N guru.  I think the situation in D dealing with local 
codepages is pretty bad right now.  And it's definitely not just the 
Asian language folks who are complaining about it.

--bb
Jun 23 2007
prev sibling parent HATA <hata mail1.big.or.jp> writes:
Oh, I had a mistake!


I say why did he/she write down "Why is it opened in Seattle ?".


I wanted to say, 
I say why did NOT he/she write down "Why is it opened in Seattle ?".
Sorry, I don't get used to write in English. I may have a mistake sometimes.
Please read from a context or correct case by case.


It would probably help if you guys could post every once in a while on 
the main newsgroups here just to let everyone know you're still there. 
Seems that has been happening a bit more recently, so that's good to see.


Thank you for your advice. I will try to do that.
Jun 23 2007