## digitalmars.D - Exact arithmetic with quadratic irrationals

- H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d (88/88) Apr 19 2017 I alluded to this in D.learn some time ago, and finally decided to take
- Stanislav Blinov (5/9) Apr 19 2017 There's another one, which is more about dmd: dmd does not inline
- H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d (39/50) Apr 19 2017 If I weren't such a sucker for the bleeDing edge with dmd (I actually
- Timon Gehr (28/34) Apr 19 2017 Nice. :)
- H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d (59/79) Apr 19 2017 I would, except that I doubt it would perform any better than an actual
- Timon Gehr (26/63) Apr 19 2017 Yes, there is in fact a beautifully simple way to do better. :)
- Timon Gehr (3/5) Apr 19 2017 Better reference:
- Timon Gehr (10/11) Apr 19 2017 But in that implementation I used the parameter 'a' instead of the
- H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d (35/74) Apr 19 2017 Ahh, so *that's* what it's all about. I figured that's what I was
- Timon Gehr (24/83) Apr 20 2017 BTW, you are right that with std.bigint, computation using a linear
- H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d (74/147) Apr 20 2017 Update: QRat now supports ^^. :-) Integral exponents only, of course. I
- Timon Gehr (28/67) Apr 20 2017 Gcd is the problem. The following code which implements a strategy based...
- Timon Gehr (3/8) Apr 20 2017 It does not work with BigInt-based QRats (T(1) does not work, as 1 does
- Timon Gehr (3/12) Apr 20 2017 I guess the best fix is to templatize the QRat constructor such that it
- H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d (18/59) Apr 20 2017 [...]

I alluded to this in D.learn some time ago, and finally decided to take the dip and actually write the code. So here it is: exact arithmetic with numbers of the form (a+b√r)/c where a, b, c are integers, c!=0, and r is a (fixed) square-free integer. Code: https://github.com/quickfur/qrat I wrote this code in just a little over a day, a testament to D's productivity-increasing features, among which include: 1) Built-in unittests: I couldn't have had the confidence that my code was correct if I hadn't been able to verify it using unittests, that also ensured that there would be no regressions, *and* also provided nice ddoc'd examples for the user. This is a killer combo, IMO. 2) Sane(r) operator overloading: even though there's still a certain amount of boilerplate, operator overloading in D is far saner than in C++, thanks to: a) Templated opUnary / opBinary / opOpAssign with the operator as a string template argument that can be used in mixins. This saved me quite a bit of copy-pasta that would have otherwise been necessary, e.g., in a C++ implementation. b) Unification of <, <=, >, >= under opCmp, and !=, == under opEquals. Again, tons of copy-pasta were avoided where they would have been necessary in C++. c) opBinaryRight, an underrated genius design decision, that allowed easy support of expressions of the form `1 + q` without C++ hacks like friend functions and what-not. 3) Sane template syntax, that, combined with opBinaryRight and the other overloading features, made expressions like this possible, and readable(!): // So clear, so readable! auto goldenRatio = (1 + surd!5)/2; // This would have been a mess in C++ syntax due to template<x> // clashing visually with operator <. assert((10 + surd!5)/20 < (surd!5 - 1)/2); 4) Code coverage built into the compiler with -cov, that caught at least one bug in a piece of code that my unittests missed. Now with 100% code coverage, I feel far more confident that there are no nasty bugs left! 5) Pay-as-you-go template methods: I deliberately turned all QRat methods into template functions, because of (a) template attribute inference (see below), and (b) reducing template bloat from instantiating methods that are never used in user code. 6) Template attribute inference: this allowed me, *after the fact*, to slap 'pure nothrow safe nogc' onto my module ddoc'd unittest, and instantly get compiler feedback on where exactly I'd inadvertently broke purity / nothrowness / safety / etc., where I didn't intend. And it was very gratifying, once I'd isolated those bits of code, to have the confidence that the compiler has verified that the core operations (unary / binary operators, comparisons, etc.) were all pure nothrow safe nogc, and thus widely usable. If I'd had to wrangle with explicitly writing attributes, I would've been greatly hampered in productivity (not to mention frustrated and distracted from focusing on the actual algorithms rather than the fussy nitty-gritties of the language). Attribute inference is definitely the way of the future, and I support Walter in pushing it as far as it can possibly go. And statically-verified guarantees too. That's another win for D. Having said that, though, there were a few roadblocks: 1) std.numeric.gcd doesn't support BigInt. This in itself wouldn't have been overly horrible, if it weren't for the fact that: a) The algorithm in std.numeric.gcd actually *does* work for BigInt, but BigInt support wasn't implemented because there are ostensibly better-performing BigInt GCD algorithms out there -- but they are too complex to implement so nobody has done it yet. An unfortunate example of letting the perfect being the enemy of the good, that's been plaguing D for a while now. https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7102 b) There are no sig constraints in std.numeric.gcd even though it doesn't support BigInts (or, for that matter, custom numerical types). This means that once you import std.numeric, you can't even provide your own overloads of gcd to handle BigInt or whatever other types you wish to handle, without running into overload conflicts. Not without unnecessarily convoluted schemes of static imports, symbol aliasing, and all the rest of that churn. c) The only thing that's really standing in the way of BigInt in std.numeric.gcd is an ill-advised (IMO) way to test if a numeric type has sign, by assuming that that's equivalent to having a .min property. That really only works for built-in types, which again screams "missing sig constraints!", and basically fails for everything else. 2) std.numeric.gcd isn't variadic, so I had to roll my own. Not a biggie, but it was still annoying and wasted my time writing code that calls gcd(a,b) multiple times when I first started coding, only to later realize I'd be doing this a *lot* and deciding to write variadic gcd myself. Haha, it seems that the only roadblocks were related to the implementation quality of std.numeric.gcd... nothing that a few relatively-simple PRs couldn't fix. So overall, D is still awesome. T -- Those who don't understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.

Apr 19 2017

Awesome! Congrats and thanks for sharing. On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 at 19:32:14 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:Haha, it seems that the only roadblocks were related to the implementation quality of std.numeric.gcd... nothing that a few relatively-simple PRs couldn't fix. So overall, D is still awesome.There's another one, which is more about dmd: dmd does not inline gcd, which, when arguments are const, turns gcd into a double function call :D

Apr 19 2017

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 07:54:02PM +0000, Stanislav Blinov via Digitalmars-d wrote:Awesome! Congrats and thanks for sharing. On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 at 19:32:14 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:If I weren't such a sucker for the bleeDing edge with dmd (I actually compile even my serious projects with git HEAD dmd, except when performance matters), I'd be standardizing on ldc or gdc, which have far superior optimizers. I consistently find that my CPU-intensive projects perform at least 20-30% worse on dmd than gdc (and I presume ldc), sometimes even as bad as 40-50%, due to dmd's inliner giving up far too easily. I don't know if this has been fixed yet, but the last time I checked, if you wrote this: int func(int x, int y) { if (x<0) return y; return x; } instead of: int func(int x, int y) { if (x<0) return y; else return x; } then the dmd inliner would not inline the function. Because of sensitivities like this, the inliner gives up far too early in the process, thus the optimizer misses out on further optimization opportunities that would have opened up, had the function been inlined. The last time I checked, I also found that dmd was rather weak at loop optimizations (and loops are very important in performance as we all know) compared to gdc. Again, the same domino effect (or rather, the missing thereof) applies: by failing to, for example, hoist a constant expression out of the loop, further optimization opportunities are missed, whereas gdc, after hoisting the expression out, would discover that the loop can be reduced further, perhaps via a strength reduction, and then unrolled, and then inlined inside the caller, then vectorized, etc.. This chain of optimizations were missed because of one missed optimization early in the process. Hence the suboptimal resulting code. T -- If blunt statements had a point, they wouldn't be blunt...Haha, it seems that the only roadblocks were related to the implementation quality of std.numeric.gcd... nothing that a few relatively-simple PRs couldn't fix. So overall, D is still awesome.There's another one, which is more about dmd: dmd does not inline gcd, which, when arguments are const, turns gcd into a double function call :D

Apr 19 2017

On 19.04.2017 21:32, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:I alluded to this in D.learn some time ago, and finally decided to take the dip and actually write the code. So here it is: exact arithmetic with numbers of the form (a+b√r)/c where a, b, c are integers, c!=0, and r is a (fixed) square-free integer. Code: https://github.com/quickfur/qrat ...Nice. :) Some suggestions: - You might want to support ^^ (it is useful for examples like the one below). - constructor parameter _b should have a default value of 0. - formatting should special case b==-1 like it special cases b==1. (also: as you are using Unicode anyway, you could also use · instead of *. Another cute thing to do is to add a vinculum.) Example application: Computing large Fibonacci numbers efficiently: import qrat; import std.bigint; alias ℕ=BigInt; enum φ=(1+surd!(5,ℕ))/2,ψ=(1-surd!(5,ℕ))/2; auto pow(T,S)(T a,S n){ T r=T(ℕ(1),ℕ(0)); for(auto x=a;n;n>>=1,a*=a) if(n&1) r*=a; return r; } auto fib(long n){ return (pow(φ,n)-pow(ψ,n))/surd!(5,ℕ); } void main(){ import std.stdio; foreach(i;0..40) writeln(fib(i)); writeln(fib(100000)); }

Apr 19 2017

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:47:04PM +0200, Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d wrote:On 19.04.2017 21:32, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:I would, except that I doubt it would perform any better than an actual recursive or iterative algorithm for computing Fibonacci sequences, because I don't know of any simple way to exponentiate a quadratic rational using only integer arithmetic other than repeated multiplication. (For all I know, it may perform even worse, because multiplying n quadratic rationals involves a lot more than just summing n+1 integers as in an iterative implementation of Fibonacci.) Hmm, come to think of it, I *could* expand the numerator using the binomial theorem, treating (a+b√r) as a binomial (a+bx) where x=√r, and folding even powers into the integral part (since x^2 = r, so x^(2k) = r^k). The denominator could be exponentiated using plain ole integer exponentiation. Then it's just a matter of summing coefficients. But it still seems to be about the same amount of work as (or more than) summing n+1 integers in an iterative implementation of Fibonacci. Am I missing something?I alluded to this in D.learn some time ago, and finally decided to take the dip and actually write the code. So here it is: exact arithmetic with numbers of the form (a+b√r)/c where a, b, c are integers, c!=0, and r is a (fixed) square-free integer. Code: https://github.com/quickfur/qrat ...Nice. :) Some suggestions: - You might want to support ^^ (it is useful for examples like the one below).- constructor parameter _b should have a default value of 0.Good point, done.- formatting should special case b==-1 like it special cases b==1.Done, good catch!(also: as you are using Unicode anyway, you could also use · instead of *. Another cute thing to do is to add a vinculum.)Well, I would, but it gets a bit too fancy for my tastes and may not render well on all displays. But I'll put it on my list of things to consider. Another module I'm thinking about is an extension of QRat that allows you to mix different radicals in the same expression. For example, (√3+√5)/√7 and so forth. I have discovered algorithms that, given n distinct radicals, allow a closed-form expression with 2^n coefficients (+1 denominator), closed under field operations. The only trouble in this case is that reciprocating such things will be very slow, as will comparisons, and both have a high chance of overflow (so BigInt is probably a necessity). And 2^n+1 coefficients for n radicals quickly gets expensive space-wise as n increases. Yesterday I also discovered an algorithm for expressing the reciprocal of numbers of the form: (a + b∛r + c∛r^2)/d in the same form. I.e., for rewriting: d/(a + b∛r + c∛r^2) in the first form. Which means it's possible to implement a QRat-like representation for cubic rationals. (The actual computation is rather expensive, as it involves quite a lot of multiplications, squaring, and cubing. But it's *possible*.) I'm still trying to verify the correctness of the formula I obtained, since while checking a concrete example last night I discovered a possible error. If this works out, I might consider 4th roots as well -- though I'm expecting that might be near the limit of the usefulness of these representations, since the complexity becomes so great that symbolic manipulation like in Mathematica may turn out to be more feasible after all. But it may be of some theoretical interest whether such representations are possible, even if they are ultimately impractical. A particularly interesting question is whether such representations exist for *all* algebraic numbers (of bounded degree). Currently I have a conjecture that given a rational extension of n radicals of degree k, field closure can be achieved with a representation of k^n+1 coefficients. But it's still too early to say whether algorithms exist for inverting radicals of degree k for large k -- I have a creeping suspicion that perhaps somewhere around k=5 or k=6 the unsolvability of the general quintic may raise its ugly head and prevent further progress. T -- INTEL = Only half of "intelligence".

Apr 19 2017

On 19.04.2017 23:39, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:47:04PM +0200, Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d wrote:Yes, there is in fact a beautifully simple way to do better. :) Assume we want to compute some power of x. With a single multiplication, we obtain x². Multiplying x² by itself, we obtain x⁴. Repeating this a few times, we get: x, x², x⁴, x⁸, x¹⁶, x³², etc. In general, we only need n operations to compute x^(2ⁿ). To compute xʸ, it basically suffices to express y as a sum of powers of two (i.e., we write it in binary). For example, 22 = 16 + 4 + 2, and x²² = x¹⁶·x⁴·x². My last post includes an implementation of this algorithm. ;) In particular, this leads to multiple ways to compute the n-th Fibonacci number using O(log n) basic operations. (One way is to use your QRat type, but we can also use the matrix (1 1; 1 0).)On 19.04.2017 21:32, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:I would, except that I doubt it would perform any better than an actual recursive or iterative algorithm for computing Fibonacci sequences, because I don't know of any simple way to exponentiate a quadratic rational using only integer arithmetic other than repeated multiplication. (For all I know, it may perform even worse, because multiplying n quadratic rationals involves a lot more than just summing n+1 integers as in an iterative implementation of Fibonacci.) Hmm, come to think of it, I *could* expand the numerator using the binomial theorem, treating (a+b√r) as a binomial (a+bx) where x=√r, and folding even powers into the integral part (since x^2 = r, so x^(2k) = r^k). The denominator could be exponentiated using plain ole integer exponentiation. Then it's just a matter of summing coefficients. But it still seems to be about the same amount of work as (or more than) summing n+1 integers in an iterative implementation of Fibonacci. Am I missing something? ...I alluded to this in D.learn some time ago, and finally decided to take the dip and actually write the code. So here it is: exact arithmetic with numbers of the form (a+b√r)/c where a, b, c are integers, c!=0, and r is a (fixed) square-free integer. Code: https://github.com/quickfur/qrat ...Nice. :) Some suggestions: - You might want to support ^^ (it is useful for examples like the one below).... Another module I'm thinking about is an extension of QRat that allows you to mix different radicals in the same expression. For example, (√3+√5)/√7 and so forth. ...That would certainly be nice. Note that QRat is basically already there for different quadratic radicals, the only reason it does not work already is that we cannot use a QRat as the base field instead of ℚ (because ℚ is hardcoded). This is the relevant concept from algebra: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_field All your conjectures are true, except the last one. (Galois theory is not an obstacle, because here, we only need to consider splitting fields of particularly simple polynomials that are solvable in radicals.) You can even mix radicals of different degrees. To get the formula for multiplicative inverses, one possible algorithm is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Euclidean_algorithm#Polynomial_extended_Euclidean_algorithm

Apr 19 2017

On 20.04.2017 02:01, Timon Gehr wrote:To get the formula for multiplicative inverses, one possible algorithm is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Euclidean_algorithm#Polynomial_extended_Euclidean_algorithmBetter reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynomial_greatest_common_divisor#Arithmetic_of_algebraic_extensions

Apr 19 2017

On 20.04.2017 02:01, Timon Gehr wrote:My last post includes an implementation of this algorithm. ;)But in that implementation I used the parameter 'a' instead of the variable 'x' as a result of being tired, which makes it slightly more confusing than necessary even though it is correct. More readable version: auto pow(T,S)(T a,S n){ T r=T(ℕ(1),ℕ(0)); for(auto x=a;n;n>>=1,x*=x) if(n&1) r*=x; return r; }

Apr 19 2017

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 02:01:20AM +0200, Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]Yes, there is in fact a beautifully simple way to do better. :) Assume we want to compute some power of x. With a single multiplication, we obtain x². Multiplying x² by itself, we obtain x⁴. Repeating this a few times, we get: x, x², x⁴, x⁸, x¹⁶, x³², etc. In general, we only need n operations to compute x^(2ⁿ). To compute xʸ, it basically suffices to express y as a sum of powers of two (i.e., we write it in binary). For example, 22 = 16 + 4 + 2, and x²² = x¹⁶·x⁴·x². My last post includes an implementation of this algorithm. ;)Ahh, so *that's* what it's all about. I figured that's what I was missing. :-D Thanks, I'll include this in QRat soon.In particular, this leads to multiple ways to compute the n-th Fibonacci number using O(log n) basic operations. (One way is to use your QRat type, but we can also use the matrix (1 1; 1 0).)True, though I'm still jealous that with transcendental functions like with floating-point, one could ostensibly compute that in O(1).Oh? I didn't try it myself, but if QRat itself passes isArithmeticType, I'd venture to say QRat!(n, QRat!m) ought to work... There are some hidden assumptions about properties of the rationals, though, but I surmise none that couldn't be replaced by prerequisites about the relative linear dependence of the mixed radicals over Q. What I had in mind, though, was a more direct approach that perhaps may reduce the total number of operations, since if the code is aware that multiple radicals are involved, it could potentially factor out some commonalities to minimize recomputations. Also, the current implementation of QRat fixes the radical at compile-time; I wanted to see if I could dynamically handle arbitrary radicals at runtime. It would have to be restricted by only allowing operations between two QRats of the same extension, of course, but if the code could handle arbitrary extensions dynamically, then that restriction could be lifted and we could (potentially, anyway) support arbitrary combinations of expressions involving radicals. That would be far more useful than QRat, for some of the things I'd like to use it for.Another module I'm thinking about is an extension of QRat that allows you to mix different radicals in the same expression. For example, (√3+√5)/√7 and so forth. ...That would certainly be nice. Note that QRat is basically already there for different quadratic radicals, the only reason it does not work already is that we cannot use a QRat as the base field instead of ℚ (because ℚ is hardcoded).This is the relevant concept from algebra: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_field All your conjectures are true, except the last one. (Galois theory is not an obstacle, because here, we only need to consider splitting fields of particularly simple polynomials that are solvable in radicals.)That's nice to know. But I suppose Galois theory *would* become an obstacle if I wanted to implement, for example, Q(x) for an arbitrary algebraic x?You can even mix radicals of different degrees.Yes, I've thought about that before. So it should be possible to represent Q(r1,r2,...rn) using deg(r1)*deg(r2)*...*deg(rn)+1 coefficients?To get the formula for multiplicative inverses, one possible algorithm is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Euclidean_algorithm#Polynomial_extended_Euclidean_algorithm[...] Thanks, will look into this at some point. :-) T -- Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals could believe them. -- George Orwell

Apr 19 2017

On 20.04.2017 03:00, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 02:01:20AM +0200, Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]BTW, you are right that with std.bigint, computation using a linear number of additions is actually faster for my example (100000th Fibonacci number). The asymptotic running time of the version with pow on QRats is lower though, so there ought to be a crossover point. (It is Θ(n^2) vs. O(n^log₂(3)·log(n)). std.bigint does not implement anything that is asymptotically faster than Karatsuba.) For computations over field extensions of (small) finite fields, pow is a lot faster though.Yes, there is in fact a beautifully simple way to do better. :) ...Ahh, so *that's* what it's all about. I figured that's what I was missing. :-D Thanks, I'll include this in QRat soon.In particular, this leads to multiple ways to compute the n-th Fibonacci number using O(log n) basic operations. (One way is to use your QRat type, but we can also use the matrix (1 1; 1 0).)True, though I'm still jealous that with transcendental functions like with floating-point, one could ostensibly compute that in O(1). ...The issue is that gcd does not work on QRats. If QRat had two coefficients from an arbitrary (possibly ordered) field instead of encoding rationals explicitly, I think it would work.Oh? I didn't try it myself, but if QRat itself passes isArithmeticType, I'd venture to say QRat!(n, QRat!m) ought to work... There are some hidden assumptions about properties of the rationals, though, but I surmise none that couldn't be replaced by prerequisites about the relative linear dependence of the mixed radicals over Q. ...Another module I'm thinking about is an extension of QRat that allows you to mix different radicals in the same expression. For example, (√3+√5)/√7 and so forth. ...That would certainly be nice. Note that QRat is basically already there for different quadratic radicals, the only reason it does not work already is that we cannot use a QRat as the base field instead of ℚ (because ℚ is hardcoded).What I had in mind, though, was a more direct approach that perhaps may reduce the total number of operations, since if the code is aware that multiple radicals are involved, it could potentially factor out some commonalities to minimize recomputations. ...This is probably the case.Also, the current implementation of QRat fixes the radical at compile-time; I wanted to see if I could dynamically handle arbitrary radicals at runtime. It would have to be restricted by only allowing operations between two QRats of the same extension, of course, but if the code could handle arbitrary extensions dynamically, then that restriction could be lifted and we could (potentially, anyway) support arbitrary combinations of expressions involving radicals. That would be far more useful than QRat, for some of the things I'd like to use it for. ...What applications do you have in mind? Computational geometry?All that the result about the quintic really says is that you will not, in general, be able to express x using field operations on radicals. It is still possible to compute the roots to arbitrary precision. Computing the field operations in ℚ(x) will actually still be quite straightforward but you'd have to think about what to do with toString and opCmp. (Or more generally, you'd have to think about how to pick one of the roots of a given polynomial.)This is the relevant concept from algebra: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_field All your conjectures are true, except the last one. (Galois theory is not an obstacle, because here, we only need to consider splitting fields of particularly simple polynomials that are solvable in radicals.)That's nice to know. But I suppose Galois theory *would* become an obstacle if I wanted to implement, for example, Q(x) for an arbitrary algebraic x? ...Yes, at most, except you don't need "+1". (For each radical ri, you will at most need to pick a power between 0 to deg(ri)-1 to index into the coefficients.)You can even mix radicals of different degrees.Yes, I've thought about that before. So it should be possible to represent Q(r1,r2,...rn) using deg(r1)*deg(r2)*...*deg(rn)+1 coefficients? ...

Apr 20 2017

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 02:51:12PM +0200, Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d wrote:On 20.04.2017 03:00, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:Update: QRat now supports ^^. :-) Integral exponents only, of course. I also implemented negative exponents, because QRat supports division and the same algorithm can be easily reused for that purpose. Interestingly enough, std.math has an overload of pow() that pretty much does exactly the same thing, except that its sig constraints require a built-in floating-point type. I'm half-tempted to submit a Phobos PR to relax the sig constraints so that we could actually use it for QRat without essentially duplicating the code. [...]On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 02:01:20AM +0200, Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]Yes, there is in fact a beautifully simple way to do better. :) ...Ahh, so *that's* what it's all about. I figured that's what I was missing. :-D Thanks, I'll include this in QRat soon.BTW, you are right that with std.bigint, computation using a linear number of additions is actually faster for my example (100000th Fibonacci number). The asymptotic running time of the version with pow on QRats is lower though, so there ought to be a crossover point. (It is Θ(n^2) vs. O(n^log₂(3)·log(n)). std.bigint does not implement anything that is asymptotically faster than Karatsuba.)Yeah, probably there is a crossover point. But it might be quite large. I suppose one could make a graph of the running times for increasing n, and either find the crossover point that way or extrapolate using the known curve shapes. Having said that, I haven't scrutinized the performance characteristics of QRat too carefully just yet -- there is probably room for optimization. [...]You're right, without gcd it won't work. The current implementation is a bit overzealous on using gcd (cf. the division algorithm), mainly because I'm concerned with integer overflow on native types. Probably some of these uses can be dispensed with, where BigInt is involved. But normalize() still needs gcd, otherwise sgn() and opCmp() may produce wrong results. One thought is that if there is a QInt base type (i.e., implementing numbers of the form a+b√r, without the denominator), then we could implement a gcd algorithm for it, and we'd be able to instantiate QRat!(r, QInt).The issue is that gcd does not work on QRats. If QRat had two coefficients from an arbitrary (possibly ordered) field instead of encoding rationals explicitly, I think it would work.That would certainly be nice. Note that QRat is basically already there for different quadratic radicals, the only reason it does not work already is that we cannot use a QRat as the base field instead of ℚ (because ℚ is hardcoded).Oh? I didn't try it myself, but if QRat itself passes isArithmeticType, I'd venture to say QRat!(n, QRat!m) ought to work... There are some hidden assumptions about properties of the rationals, though, but I surmise none that couldn't be replaced by prerequisites about the relative linear dependence of the mixed radicals over Q. ...Upon reviewing the algorithms I've come up with in the past, it appears that QRat!(r, QInt) may in fact produce essentially the same code.What I had in mind, though, was a more direct approach that perhaps may reduce the total number of operations, since if the code is aware that multiple radicals are involved, it could potentially factor out some commonalities to minimize recomputations. ...This is probably the case.Yes. In particular, manipulating the coordinates of certain kinds of polytopes. I currently do have code that can do this with floating-point, but I'd like to be able to deal with exact coordinates rather than floating-point approximations. [...]Also, the current implementation of QRat fixes the radical at compile-time; I wanted to see if I could dynamically handle arbitrary radicals at runtime. It would have to be restricted by only allowing operations between two QRats of the same extension, of course, but if the code could handle arbitrary extensions dynamically, then that restriction could be lifted and we could (potentially, anyway) support arbitrary combinations of expressions involving radicals. That would be far more useful than QRat, for some of the things I'd like to use it for. ...What applications do you have in mind? Computational geometry?Oh I know that; I'm not really concerned with computing roots to arbitrary precision here though, but more with implementing precise arithmetic on expressions involving said roots.All that the result about the quintic really says is that you will not, in general, be able to express x using field operations on radicals. It is still possible to compute the roots to arbitrary precision.All your conjectures are true, except the last one. (Galois theory is not an obstacle, because here, we only need to consider splitting fields of particularly simple polynomials that are solvable in radicals.)That's nice to know. But I suppose Galois theory *would* become an obstacle if I wanted to implement, for example, Q(x) for an arbitrary algebraic x? ...Computing the field operations in ℚ(x) will actually still be quite straightforward but you'd have to think about what to do with toString and opCmp. (Or more generally, you'd have to think about how to pick one of the roots of a given polynomial.)Hmm, good point. I suppose I haven't really thought through the consequences of what might happen if I implemented a reciprocation algorithm for an algebraic number k where the defining polynomial for k may have multiple roots. At some point, assumptions about which root is being used need to come into play, I suppose. How to encode this in the API and internally in the code is an interesting question.[...] The +1 is for the denominator, assuming integer coefficients. Since having 2^n rational coefficients is equivalent to having 2^n integer coefficients (which are half the size of rational coefficients, computer-representation-wise) + 1 denominator. Though it's arguable whether this really saves that much once you get out of the realm of native machine integer types into BigInt. It's debatable whether that much is really saved in terms of space and CPU time if you have two or more rational coefficients with denominators that are relatively prime to each other, so that merging them all into a single denominator may just cause all coefficients to explode in size whereas separate rational coefficients could in fact be more compact. But, at least in theory, if you're dealing with relatively small members in the field, you could fit everything in native int types and having 2^n + 1 integer coefficients may perform better than having 2^n rational coefficients. I suspect the applicability of this is rather narrow, however, because once you get past a small handful of radicals, the coefficients (esp. intermediate coefficients computed during reciprocation) will easily overflow native machine int types, thus necessitating BigInt coefficients pretty quickly. The last time I attempted an implementation with 3-4 separate radicals many years ago, I found that even small starting coefficients (i.e., 1-2 digits) quickly exploded in internal algorithms due to repeated multiplication, so that after just a small number of operations I was already running into integer overflows. This was back when I was still doing it in C/C++... I did attempt a re-implementation using libgmp, but never finished. T -- "Real programmers can write assembly code in any language. :-)" -- Larry WallYes, at most, except you don't need "+1". (For each radical ri, you will at most need to pick a power between 0 to deg(ri)-1 to index into the coefficients.)You can even mix radicals of different degrees.Yes, I've thought about that before. So it should be possible to represent Q(r1,r2,...rn) using deg(r1)*deg(r2)*...*deg(rn)+1 coefficients? ...

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On 20.04.2017 20:29, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 02:51:12PM +0200, Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d wrote:Nice! :)On 20.04.2017 03:00, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:Update: QRat now supports ^^. :-) Integral exponents only, of course. I also implemented negative exponents, because QRat supports division and the same algorithm can be easily reused for that purpose. ...On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 02:01:20AM +0200, Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]Yes, there is in fact a beautifully simple way to do better. :) ...Ahh, so *that's* what it's all about. I figured that's what I was missing. :-D Thanks, I'll include this in QRat soon.... [...]Gcd is the problem. The following code which implements a strategy based on matrix multiplication instead of QRat multiplication is significantly faster than naive linear computation: BigInt fib(long n){ BigInt[2] a=[BigInt(0),BigInt(1)],b=[BigInt(1),BigInt(2)],c=[BigInt(1),BigInt(-1)]; for(;n;n>>=1){ foreach(i;1-n&1..2){ auto d=a[i]*a[1]; a[i]=a[i]*b[1]+c[i]*a[1]; b[i]=b[i]*b[1]-d; c[i]=c[i]*c[1]-d; } } return a[0]; } If I change the gcd computation in QRat (line 233) from auto g = gcd(abs(a), abs(b), c); to auto g = gcd(abs(a), c, abs(b)); I get performance that is a lot closer to the matrix version and also beats the linear computation. (This is because if one of the operands is 1, gcd is cheap to compute.)BTW, you are right that with std.bigint, computation using a linear number of additions is actually faster for my example (100000th Fibonacci number). The asymptotic running time of the version with pow on QRats is lower though, so there ought to be a crossover point. (It is Θ(n^2) vs. O(n^log₂(3)·log(n)). std.bigint does not implement anything that is asymptotically faster than Karatsuba.)Yeah, probably there is a crossover point. But it might be quite large. I suppose one could make a graph of the running times for increasing n, and either find the crossover point that way or extrapolate using the known curve shapes. Having said that, I haven't scrutinized the performance characteristics of QRat too carefully just yet -- there is probably room for optimization....Ah, I see. Personally, I'm more in the one denominator per coefficient camp. :) I think having a designated ℚ type is cleaner, and it might even be more performant.Yes, at most, except you don't need "+1". (For each radical ri, you will at most need to pick a power between 0 to deg(ri)-1 to index into the coefficients.)[...] The +1 is for the denominator, assuming integer coefficients. Since having 2^n rational coefficients is equivalent to having 2^n integer coefficients (which are half the size of rational coefficients, computer-representation-wise) + 1 denominator. ...

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On 20.04.2017 21:11, Timon Gehr wrote:It does not work with BigInt-based QRats (T(1) does not work, as 1 does not implicitly convert to BigInt.)Update: QRat now supports ^^. :-) Integral exponents only, of course. I also implemented negative exponents, because QRat supports division and the same algorithm can be easily reused for that purpose. ...Nice! :)

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On 20.04.2017 21:18, Timon Gehr wrote:On 20.04.2017 21:11, Timon Gehr wrote:I guess the best fix is to templatize the QRat constructor such that it accepts all argument types that can be used to construct the coefficients.It does not work with BigInt-based QRats (T(1) does not work, as 1 does not implicitly convert to BigInt.)Update: QRat now supports ^^. :-) Integral exponents only, of course. I also implemented negative exponents, because QRat supports division and the same algorithm can be easily reused for that purpose. ...Nice! :)

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On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 09:11:56PM +0200, Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d wrote:On 20.04.2017 20:29, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:[...][...]Having said that, I haven't scrutinized the performance characteristics of QRat too carefully just yet -- there is probably room for optimization.Gcd is the problem. [...]If I change the gcd computation in QRat (line 233) from auto g = gcd(abs(a), abs(b), c); to auto g = gcd(abs(a), c, abs(b)); I get performance that is a lot closer to the matrix version and also beats the linear computation. (This is because if one of the operands is 1, gcd is cheap to compute.)Fixed, thanks! [...]It's hard to say without profiling it, I think. Having one denominator per coefficient does need more storage space, and you do have to separately reduce each rational coefficient to lowest terms per operation. I think some profiling is needed to know for sure. Besides, Phobos is badly in need of a Rational type that's compatible with both native int types and BigInt. Maybe I should adapt some of the code in QRat for that purpose. :-D (Since rationals, after all, are a subset of QRats.) On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 09:25:19PM +0200, Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d wrote:The +1 is for the denominator, assuming integer coefficients. Since having 2^n rational coefficients is equivalent to having 2^n integer coefficients (which are half the size of rational coefficients, computer-representation-wise) + 1 denominator. ...Ah, I see. Personally, I'm more in the one denominator per coefficient camp. :) I think having a designated ℚ type is cleaner, and it might even be more performant.On 20.04.2017 21:18, Timon Gehr wrote:Fixed, thanks! T -- If the comments and the code disagree, it's likely that *both* are wrong. -- ChristopherOn 20.04.2017 21:11, Timon Gehr wrote:I guess the best fix is to templatize the QRat constructor such that it accepts all argument types that can be used to construct the coefficients.It does not work with BigInt-based QRats (T(1) does not work, as 1 does not implicitly convert to BigInt.)Update: QRat now supports ^^. :-) Integral exponents only, of course. I also implemented negative exponents, because QRat supports division and the same algorithm can be easily reused for that purpose. ...Nice! :)

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