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reply "GirlProgrammer" <angelinastyle hairdressers.com> writes:
If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed, 
why isn't hardly anyone using it?
May 16 2010
next sibling parent reply BCS <none anon.com> writes:
Hello GirlProgrammer,


 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it?
 Indeed, why isn't hardly anyone using it?
 


Because qunatity of D libraries sucks and because the D tool chains suck 
and because the D infrastructure sucks and because all the rest of the stuff 
that gets good after you've been a popular language for a decade or so still 
sucks.

<jokeingly type="86%">We're working on it, OK!?!?</jokeingly>

-- 
... <IXOYE><
May 16 2010
next sibling parent "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"BCS" <none anon.com> wrote in message 
news:a6268ff13c878ccc35e67d9bd64 news.digitalmars.com...

 Hello GirlProgrammer,


 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it?
 Indeed, why isn't hardly anyone using it?


 Because qunatity of D libraries sucks and because the D tool chains suck 
 and because the D infrastructure sucks and because all the rest of the 
 stuff that gets good after you've been a popular language for a decade or 
 so still sucks.

 <jokeingly type="86%">We're working on it, OK!?!?</jokeingly>


version(none)
{
    troll.feed();
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May 16 2010
prev sibling parent reply "GirlProgrammer" <angelinastyle hairdressers.com> writes:
BCS wrote:

 Hello GirlProgrammer,


 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it?
 Indeed, why isn't hardly anyone using it?


 Because qunatity of D libraries sucks and because the D tool chains
 suck and because the D infrastructure sucks and because all the rest
 of the stuff that gets good after you've been a popular language for
 a decade or so still sucks.

 <jokeingly type="86%">We're working on it, OK!?!?</jokeingly>


On the joking html part, and it's been how many YEARS now? Circa 1996?
May 17 2010
parent reply Mike Farnsworth <mike.farnsworth gmail.com> writes:
GirlProgrammer Wrote:


 BCS wrote:

 Hello GirlProgrammer,


 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it?
 Indeed, why isn't hardly anyone using it?


 Because qunatity of D libraries sucks and because the D tool chains
 suck and because the D infrastructure sucks and because all the rest
 of the stuff that gets good after you've been a popular language for
 a decade or so still sucks.

 <jokeingly type="86%">We're working on it, OK!?!?</jokeingly>


 
 On the joking html part, and it's been how many YEARS now? Circa 1996? 


Not to feed the troll or anything, but a little datapoint for the rest of you:
my father created the first large-scale commercial software for factory/fab
simulation and scheduling starting in, oh, 1981, and it is *STILL* profitable
and relevant.

Some things take time.  Patience, padawan.  The software industry moves fast,
but sometimes it shouldn't.  This ain't a popularity contest or a political
campaign.  It's a tool in the toolbox.
May 17 2010
parent reply "GirlProgrammer" <angelinastyle hairdressers.com> writes:
Mike Farnsworth wrote:

 GirlProgrammer Wrote:


 BCS wrote:

 Hello GirlProgrammer,


 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it?
 Indeed, why isn't hardly anyone using it?


 Because qunatity of D libraries sucks and because the D tool chains
 suck and because the D infrastructure sucks and because all the rest
 of the stuff that gets good after you've been a popular language for
 a decade or so still sucks.

 <jokeingly type="86%">We're working on it, OK!?!?</jokeingly>


 On the joking html part, and it's been how many YEARS now? Circa
 1996?


 Not to feed the troll or anything, but a little datapoint for the
 rest of you: my father created the first large-scale commercial
 software for factory/fab simulation and scheduling starting in, oh,
 1981, and it is *STILL* profitable and relevant.

 Some things take time.  Patience, padawan.  The software industry
 moves fast, but sometimes it shouldn't.  This ain't a popularity
 contest or a political campaign.  It's a tool in the toolbox.


"And Moses led the people into the desolation of the wilderness, where 
they dwindled for 40 years".

Seems like "D" has happened before!
May 17 2010
parent BCS <none anon.com> writes:
Hello GirlProgrammer,


 "And Moses led the people into the desolation of the wilderness, where
 they dwindled for 40 years".


"And Moses was told to go wait in the desolation of the wilderness until 
the current generation dies of old age and is replaced by the next."

Seems a more apt way to say it for D as well. 

-- 
... <IXOYE><
May 17 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply dsimcha <dsimcha yahoo.com> writes:
== Quote from GirlProgrammer (angelinastyle hairdressers.com)'s article

 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed,
 why isn't hardly anyone using it?


Same reasons why people use any old, crufty legacy technology:  Inertia and a
lack
of maturity in the successor technology relative to the legacy technology.

Right new, D is dominated by early adopters who, for whatever reason, can afford
to be on the bleeding edge.  In my case, it's because I write bioinformatics
research code, which has the following characteristics:

1.  Development speed and execution speed both matter a lot.  (Some
bioinformatics
programming can be done in slower scripting languages, but I gravitate towards
more computationally intensive areas.)

2.  There's no C++ legacy code that I need to be tightly coupled with.

3.  I only need a few basic libraries, one of which (statistics) I wrote myself.
Admittedly, it would be nice to have a good matrix library, too, but C and C++
matrix libraries seem to have ugly APIs and I only do matrix calculations
infrequently.  When I do, I just use R or roll my own ad-hoc matrix code, which
sometimes (for example the linear regression module I wrote) ends up being more
efficient because it can target my specific use case, rather than being written
for the general case.
May 17 2010
parent reply "GirlProgrammer" <angelinastyle hairdressers.com> writes:
dsimcha wrote:

 == Quote from GirlProgrammer (angelinastyle hairdressers.com)'s
 article

 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it?
 Indeed, why isn't hardly anyone using it?


 Same reasons why people use any old, crufty legacy technology:
 Inertia and a lack of maturity in the successor technology relative
 to the legacy technology.

 Right new, D is dominated by early adopters who, for whatever reason,
 can afford to be on the bleeding edge.


For TWENTY YEARS??? Early adopters?? Something is awry.


 In my case, it's because I
 write bioinformatics research code, which has the following
 characteristics:

 1.  Development speed and execution speed both matter a lot.  (Some
 bioinformatics programming can be done in slower scripting languages,
 but I gravitate towards more computationally intensive areas.)

 2.  There's no C++ legacy code that I need to be tightly coupled with.

 3.  I only need a few basic libraries, one of which (statistics) I
 wrote myself. Admittedly, it would be nice to have a good matrix
 library, too, but C and C++ matrix libraries seem to have ugly APIs
 and I only do matrix calculations infrequently.  When I do, I just
 use R or roll my own ad-hoc matrix code, which sometimes (for example
 the linear regression module I wrote) ends up being more efficient
 because it can target my specific use case, rather than being written
 for the general case.


So your answer is then: "niche market". (To which I'd be curious to see 
history of production code, but then people would start calling me a 
troll again).
May 17 2010
parent reply BCS <none anon.com> writes:
Hello GirlProgrammer,


 For TWENTY YEARS??? Early adopters?? Something is awry.


9 years:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/changelog1.html#new001

And 1.0 was only about 3 years ago:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/changelog.html#new1_001

-- 
... <IXOYE><
May 17 2010
next sibling parent "GirlProgrammer" <angelinastyle hairdressers.com> writes:
BCS wrote:

 Hello GirlProgrammer,


 For TWENTY YEARS??? Early adopters?? Something is awry.


 9 years:
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/changelog1.html#new001

 And 1.0 was only about 3 years ago:
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/changelog.html#new1_001


I remember D discussion back in 1996. In either case, I feel younger now! 
wooo hoo! (I wish you were right about 9 years, but surely it has been 
14).
May 17 2010
prev sibling parent retard <re tard.com.invalid> writes:
Mon, 17 May 2010 22:53:16 +0000, BCS wrote:


 Hello GirlProgrammer,
 

 For TWENTY YEARS??? Early adopters?? Something is awry.


 
 9 years:
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/changelog1.html#new001
 
 And 1.0 was only about 3 years ago:
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/changelog.html#new1_001


Ruby was published in 1995. Rails in 2004. I've made real money with both 
since 2005. Groovy was born in 2003, Grails in 2005. Now I'm using it 
instead as my source of pocket money.
May 18 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Bernard Helyer <b.helyer gmail.com> writes:
On 17/05/10 17:17, GirlProgrammer wrote:

 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed,
 why isn't hardly anyone using it?


I imagine you get some dull pleasure from posting essentially the same 
message to the NG every few months or so (this is almost certainly the 
person behind the 'is d a cult' thread a few months ago, and ios the 
same person behind 'what is d' from a few weeks) so until 
GirlProgrammer/Jane Doe/Janis D/angelinastyle contributes a question 
beyond the same simple troll, 'she' is not worth responding to, so I'd 
just like to take this opportunity to remind the NG of the content 'she' 
has previously posted, and reconsider in replying to 'her' accordingly.

Just a friendly PSA.  n_n




PS: It's nice to see that you've updated your XP install since your last 
message!
May 17 2010
parent reply superdan <super dan.org> writes:
== Quote from Bernard Helyer (b.helyer gmail.com)'s article

 On 17/05/10 17:17, GirlProgrammer wrote:

 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed,
 why isn't hardly anyone using it?


 I imagine you get some dull pleasure from posting essentially the same
 message to the NG every few months or so (this is almost certainly the
 person behind the 'is d a cult' thread a few months ago, and ios the
 same person behind 'what is d' from a few weeks) so until
 GirlProgrammer/Jane Doe/Janis D/angelinastyle contributes a question
 beyond the same simple troll, 'she' is not worth responding to, so I'd
 just like to take this opportunity to remind the NG of the content 'she'
 has previously posted, and reconsider in replying to 'her' accordingly.
 Just a friendly PSA.  n_n
 PS: It's nice to see that you've updated your XP install since your last
 message!


yeah dun feed da troll. ass to mouth da troll. too bad that ain't gonna be
pleasant. cocksucka as girlprogrammer is it ain't no broad. its a punk-ass
motherfucker posing as chick 2 give a twist to his lame life. shit.
May 17 2010
next sibling parent reply Bane <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> writes:
superdan Wrote:


 == Quote from Bernard Helyer (b.helyer gmail.com)'s article

 On 17/05/10 17:17, GirlProgrammer wrote:

 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed,
 why isn't hardly anyone using it?


 I imagine you get some dull pleasure from posting essentially the same
 message to the NG every few months or so (this is almost certainly the
 person behind the 'is d a cult' thread a few months ago, and ios the
 same person behind 'what is d' from a few weeks) so until
 GirlProgrammer/Jane Doe/Janis D/angelinastyle contributes a question
 beyond the same simple troll, 'she' is not worth responding to, so I'd
 just like to take this opportunity to remind the NG of the content 'she'
 has previously posted, and reconsider in replying to 'her' accordingly.
 Just a friendly PSA.  n_n
 PS: It's nice to see that you've updated your XP install since your last
 message!


 
 yeah dun feed da troll. ass to mouth da troll. too bad that ain't gonna be
 pleasant. cocksucka as girlprogrammer is it ain't no broad. its a punk-ass
 motherfucker posing as chick 2 give a twist to his lame life. shit.


A troll visit once in a while is a nice way to break routine on any ng/forum.
Especially "female" programmer with love towards word suck. That is bound to be
fun.
I see this troll is loyal, and will be here for years to come. Looking forward
to it.
May 18 2010
parent reply Denis Koroskin <2korden gmail.com> writes:
Bane Wrote:


 A troll visit once in a while is a nice way to break routine on any ng/forum.
Especially "female" programmer with love towards word suck. That is bound to be
fun.
 I see this troll is loyal, and will be here for years to come. Looking forward
to it.


That GirlProgrammer is most likely "Dee Girl 2.0", which is just another name
for superdan.
May 18 2010
next sibling parent Don <nospam nospam.com> writes:
Denis Koroskin wrote:

 Bane Wrote:
 

 A troll visit once in a while is a nice way to break routine on any ng/forum.
Especially "female" programmer with love towards word suck. That is bound to be
fun.
 I see this troll is loyal, and will be here for years to come. Looking forward
to it.


 
 That GirlProgrammer is most likely "Dee Girl 2.0", which is just another name
for superdan.


I doubt it.
May 18 2010
prev sibling parent superdan <super dan.org> writes:
== Quote from Denis Koroskin (2korden gmail.com)'s article

 Bane Wrote:

 A troll visit once in a while is a nice way to break routine on any ng/forum.




Especially "female" programmer with love towards word suck. That is bound to be
fun.

 I see this troll is loyal, and will be here for years to come. Looking forward




to it.

 That GirlProgrammer is most likely "Dee Girl 2.0", which is just another name


for superdan.

you is not da sharpest tool in da shed eh?

dee exists but not postin' no more. were both into d. walt rulez. gettin' in da
gutter of ngs fer trolling aint our thing anyway. next time think a bit fer a
change sherlock.
May 18 2010
prev sibling parent reply Don <nospam nospam.com> writes:
superdan wrote:

 == Quote from Bernard Helyer (b.helyer gmail.com)'s article

 On 17/05/10 17:17, GirlProgrammer wrote:

 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed,
 why isn't hardly anyone using it?


 I imagine you get some dull pleasure from posting essentially the same
 message to the NG every few months or so (this is almost certainly the
 person behind the 'is d a cult' thread a few months ago, and ios the
 same person behind 'what is d' from a few weeks) so until
 GirlProgrammer/Jane Doe/Janis D/angelinastyle contributes a question
 beyond the same simple troll, 'she' is not worth responding to, so I'd
 just like to take this opportunity to remind the NG of the content 'she'
 has previously posted, and reconsider in replying to 'her' accordingly.
 Just a friendly PSA.  n_n
 PS: It's nice to see that you've updated your XP install since your last
 message!


 
 yeah dun feed da troll. ass to mouth da troll. too bad that ain't gonna be
 pleasant. cocksucka as girlprogrammer is it ain't no broad. its a punk-ass
 motherfucker posing as chick 2 give a twist to his lame life. shit.


I assumed 'GirlProgrammer' was analagous to 'EpromProgrammer' or 
'WindowsProgrammer', ie, he tries to program girls.
May 18 2010
parent superdan <super dan.org> writes:
== Quote from Don (nospam nospam.com)'s article

 superdan wrote:

 == Quote from Bernard Helyer (b.helyer gmail.com)'s article

 On 17/05/10 17:17, GirlProgrammer wrote:

 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed,
 why isn't hardly anyone using it?


 I imagine you get some dull pleasure from posting essentially the same
 message to the NG every few months or so (this is almost certainly the
 person behind the 'is d a cult' thread a few months ago, and ios the
 same person behind 'what is d' from a few weeks) so until
 GirlProgrammer/Jane Doe/Janis D/angelinastyle contributes a question
 beyond the same simple troll, 'she' is not worth responding to, so I'd
 just like to take this opportunity to remind the NG of the content 'she'
 has previously posted, and reconsider in replying to 'her' accordingly.
 Just a friendly PSA.  n_n
 PS: It's nice to see that you've updated your XP install since your last
 message!


 yeah dun feed da troll. ass to mouth da troll. too bad that ain't gonna be
 pleasant. cocksucka as girlprogrammer is it ain't no broad. its a punk-ass
 motherfucker posing as chick 2 give a twist to his lame life. shit.


 I assumed 'GirlProgrammer' was analagous to 'EpromProgrammer' or
 'WindowsProgrammer', ie, he tries to program girls.


good 1!
May 18 2010
prev sibling parent gryphon <spam gmail.com> writes:
GirlProgrammer Wrote:


 If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed, 
 why isn't hardly anyone using it? 
 
 



Hallelujah I've seen the light.  You have elucidated clearly what a waste of
time D is.  I'm sure everyone here is convinced.  Your work here is done and
it's time for you to move on to greater tasks.  I'm sure there are hundreds of
other small language news groups full of people who need your enlightenment. 
Go on.  There is a lot of work for you to do.  We will just be just be
dismantling the failed project that is D.  No need for you check back.  You
have more important things to do.  

Farewell and good luck
May 18 2010