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reply Fredrik Olsson <peylow gmail.com> writes:
Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html

And search for: "D programming language".


I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I 
also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.

Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?

I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.


// Fredrik Olsson
Oct 24 2006
next sibling parent reply Brad Anderson <brad dsource.org> writes:
Fredrik Olsson wrote:

 Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html
 
 And search for: "D programming language".
 
 
 I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I
 also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.
 
 Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?
 
 I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.
 
 
 // Fredrik Olsson


So Apple's OS X finally gets a bit of Sun's DTrace.

http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/dtrace/

I think people have contacted Sun about this and they don't seem to care.

BA
Oct 24 2006
parent Lars Ivar Igesund <larsivar igesund.net> writes:
Brad Anderson wrote:


 Fredrik Olsson wrote:

 Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html
 
 And search for: "D programming language".
 
 
 I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I
 also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.
 
 Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?
 
 I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.
 
 
 // Fredrik Olsson


 
 So Apple's OS X finally gets a bit of Sun's DTrace.
 
 http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/dtrace/
 
 I think people have contacted Sun about this and they don't seem to care.
 
 BA


Most people working at Sun don't even know of dtrace, according to a recent
chat I had :) 

-- 
Lars Ivar Igesund
blog at http://larsivi.net
DSource & #D: larsivi
Oct 24 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "John Reimer" <terminal.node gmail.com> writes:
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:29:29 -0700, Fredrik Olsson <peylow gmail.com>  
wrote:


 Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html

 And search for: "D programming language".


 I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I  
 also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.

 Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?

 I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.


 // Fredrik Olsson



The language used with DTrace is not likely to be a threat.  It's been  
around for awhile and any press it got before doesn't seem to have done  
much for it.  Besides it's pretty much a domain specific language.  It's  
not a D competitor at all.

-JJR
Oct 24 2006
parent reply Fredrik Olsson <peylow gmail.com> writes:
John Reimer skrev:

 On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:29:29 -0700, Fredrik Olsson <peylow gmail.com> 
 wrote:
 

 Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html

 And search for: "D programming language".


 I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I 
 also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.

 Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?

 I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.


 // Fredrik Olsson


 
 
 The language used with DTrace is not likely to be a threat.  It's been 
 around for awhile and any press it got before doesn't seem to have done 
 much for it.  Besides it's pretty much a domain specific language.  It's 
 not a D competitor at all.
 


I am not worrying of competition at all. I am worrying that two 
identically named languages will screw up search results, and 
conversations with the uninformed.

In short just how will http://www.google.com/codesearch react? DTrace D 
programing language have a much higher probability of becoming known to 
the large masses, will it's fame and domain specific use taint "our" D?


So point is still; I think another name like "Mars D" that is more 
unique will prove more useful in the long run. The odds of Sun changing 
their name is nil and void.


// Fredrik Olsson


 -JJR
Oct 25 2006
next sibling parent Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
Fredrik Olsson wrote:

 John Reimer skrev:

 On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:29:29 -0700, Fredrik Olsson <peylow gmail.com> 
 wrote:


 Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html

 And search for: "D programming language".


 I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And 
 I also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.

 Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?

 I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.


 // Fredrik Olsson



 The language used with DTrace is not likely to be a threat.  It's been 
 around for awhile and any press it got before doesn't seem to have 
 done much for it.  Besides it's pretty much a domain specific 
 language.  It's not a D competitor at all.


 I am not worrying of competition at all. I am worrying that two 
 identically named languages will screw up search results, and 
 conversations with the uninformed.
 
 In short just how will http://www.google.com/codesearch react? DTrace D 
 programing language have a much higher probability of becoming known to 
 the large masses, will it's fame and domain specific use taint "our" D?
 
 
 So point is still; I think another name like "Mars D" that is more 
 unique will prove more useful in the long run. The odds of Sun changing 
 their name is nil and void.
 
 
 // Fredrik Olsson
 

 -JJR




If at all possible, I think it would be good to get "D Programming 
Language" trademarked, and then ask DTrace folks nicely once more to 
stop using the name.  Heck, it must annoy them more than it annoys us. 
Search for "D programming language" turns up nothing but links to this 
D.  Really it would be more a service to their community than ours for 
them to stop calling it "D programming language".

Googling a bit, I see the Wikipedia page calls them "DTrace scripts" and 
not the "D programs", and doesn't even mention "The D Programming 
Language".    And the opensolaris page about dtrace has links to "DTrace 
Scripts" not D scripts or D language scripts.

But the extension used does seem to be .d (when it's not nothing), so 
google code searches might get confused.  Google has to deal with that 
already, though, when it comes to .h files.  I suspect they use some 
sort of heuristic to determine what language something really is.  For D 
  vs DTrace should be pretty easy:
   contains more 'import','//','/+','class','opThisOrThat' -> it's D.

Not that hard to differentiate automatically with a few regexps and a tally.


A previous thread on this:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/27897.html

--bb
Oct 25 2006
prev sibling parent reply "Peter C. Chapin" <pchapin sover.net> writes:
Fredrik Olsson <peylow gmail.com> wrote in
news:ehn3fv$10m1$1 digitaldaemon.com: 


 So point is still; I think another name like "Mars D" that is more 
 unique will prove more useful in the long run.


"Mars D" seems to tie the language to a single implementation. In the long 
run, that probably isn't ideal.

Peter
Oct 25 2006
parent Fredrik Olsson <peylow gmail.com> writes:
Peter C. Chapin skrev:

 Fredrik Olsson <peylow gmail.com> wrote in
 news:ehn3fv$10m1$1 digitaldaemon.com: 
 

 So point is still; I think another name like "Mars D" that is more 
 unique will prove more useful in the long run.


 
 "Mars D" seems to tie the language to a single implementation. In the long 
 run, that probably isn't ideal.
 


I would not fear that "the D programming language" feels way more 
/single implementation/ to me than "Mars D".

In my ears it has a nice ring to it, pays homage to it's roots, let it's 
users continue to just say D, and is not already taken as a programming 
language name.

But hey, call it whatever, it is just a name. I just wanted to point out 
that "D programming language" may not be the best choice.


// Fredrik Olsson
Oct 25 2006
prev sibling parent reply clayasaurus <clayasaurus gmail.com> writes:
Fredrik Olsson wrote:

 Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html
 
 And search for: "D programming language".
 
 
 I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I 
 also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.
 
 Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?
 
 I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.
 
 
 // Fredrik Olsson


Maybe it will boost our tiobe index ratings :)
Oct 24 2006
next sibling parent Hasan Aljudy <hasan.aljudy gmail.com> writes:
clayasaurus wrote:

 Fredrik Olsson wrote:

 Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html

 And search for: "D programming language".


 I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And I 
 also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.

 Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?

 I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.


 // Fredrik Olsson


 
 Maybe it will boost our tiobe index ratings :)


lol

Or maybe TOIBE will drop D because it's too hard to get an automated bot 
to tell the two languages apart.
Oct 24 2006
prev sibling parent "John Reimer" <terminal.node gmail.com> writes:
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:20:07 -0700, clayasaurus <clayasaurus gmail.com>  
wrote:


 Fredrik Olsson wrote:

 Go to this page: http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/index.html
  And search for: "D programming language".
   I am pretty sure it is not our beloved D they are talking about. And  
 I also think /the other D/ will probably get more press, and sooner.
  Branding problem? Google hits? Etc?
  I still think that "Mars D" could be a more unique name.
   // Fredrik Olsson


 Maybe it will boost our tiobe index ratings :)



Oh... man, you might be just right about that...

dtrace does show up on google now and again... maybe we are getting some  
false highs there?

-JJR
Oct 24 2006