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reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/

Andrei
Oct 06 2011
next sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
== Quote from Andrei Alexandrescu (SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org)'s article


http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/

 Andrei


Cool beans.

Iain



 Oct 07 2011



prev sibling next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com>  writes:


On 10/6/2011 9:39 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/


On Hacker News too:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3083125



 Oct 07 2011



  parent reply Trass3r <un known.com>  writes:


Am 07.10.2011, 11:27 Uhr, schrieb Walter Bright  
<newshound2 digitalmars.com>:


 On 10/6/2011 9:39 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/


 On Hacker News too:

 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3083125


And again they immediately start with the Go vs. D discussions.



 Oct 07 2011



  parent reply "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org>  writes:


That will always happen.

My self I think that Go is a better C and D a better C++. It remains to be 
seen how much they
will be able to take from C and C++.

Personaly I have been spending most of the time with Go, because of its 
similarity with Oberon. It
brings back some good memories.

Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers to be 
a bit more stable.

Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as Go or D 
based ones, on the
type of corporate environment I work in.

Anyway, nice work!

"Trass3r" <un known.com> wrote in message news:op.v2zd1eb43ncmek enigma...

 Am 07.10.2011, 11:27 Uhr, schrieb Walter Bright 
 <newshound2 digitalmars.com>:


 On 10/6/2011 9:39 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/


 On Hacker News too:

 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3083125


 And again they immediately start with the Go vs. D discussions. 





 Oct 07 2011



  parent reply Trass3r <un known.com>  writes:


 Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers  
 to be a bit more stable.


They have been vastly improving, really.


 Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as Go or  
 D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in.


That's not D's or Go's fault. Most guys especially in bigger corporations  
are plain ignorant and wear blinders.
Strangely that even applies to universities. Hell, they didn't even know  
about clang even though they were progressive enough to use C++0x.



 Oct 07 2011



  parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a>  writes:


"Trass3r" <un known.com> wrote in message news:op.v2ze74ma3ncmek enigma...

 Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers 
 to be a bit more stable.


 They have been vastly improving, really.


 Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as Go or 
 D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in.


 That's not D's or Go's fault. Most guys especially in bigger corporations 
 are plain ignorant and wear blinders.
 Strangely that even applies to universities.


Not real surprising. Universities can be *enormously* ignorant and 
conceited. (Community colleges too...my god, some of the flaming egos and 
politics around there are mind-boggling, especially considering it's *just* 
a CC...)


 Hell, they didn't even know  about clang even though they were progressive 
 enough to use C++0x.


I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only 
language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's null-terminated 
strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language.



 Oct 07 2011



 next sibling parent reply Trass3r <un known.com>  writes:


 Hell, they didn't even know  about clang even though they were  
 progressive enough to use C++0x.


 I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only
 language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's  
 null-terminated
 strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language.


Had a workmate who apparently was real good at using C for microprocessor  
programming.
But he didn't have the slightest clue about how C++ works and what OOP  
overhead really means.
And when I used Lua to create a small conversion script (which was only  
needed cause the legacy code was crap, hardcoded paths and the like)
that even turned into some kind of running gag.
I don't need to say that nobody had ever heard of it nor was anyone  
willing to try it out before judging.



 Oct 07 2011



  parent  deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com>  writes:


Le 07/10/2011 17:49, Trass3r a écrit :

 Hell, they didn't even know about clang even though they were
 progressive enough to use C++0x.


 I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only
 language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's
 null-terminated
 strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language.


 Had a workmate who apparently was real good at using C for
 microprocessor programming.
 But he didn't have the slightest clue about how C++ works and what OOP
 overhead really means.
 And when I used Lua to create a small conversion script (which was only
 needed cause the legacy code was crap, hardcoded paths and the like)
 that even turned into some kind of running gag.
 I don't need to say that nobody had ever heard of it nor was anyone
 willing to try it out before judging.


You can do function pointer in C and thus, do OOP manually. He probably 
already did that without really knowing this is OOP.



 Oct 10 2011



prev sibling  parent reply "Simen Kjaeraas" <simen.kjaras gmail.com>  writes:


On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:11:45 +0200, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "Trass3r" <un known.com> wrote in message  
 news:op.v2ze74ma3ncmek enigma...

 Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers
 to be a bit more stable.


 They have been vastly improving, really.


 Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as Go  
 or
 D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in.


 That's not D's or Go's fault. Most guys especially in bigger  
 corporations
 are plain ignorant and wear blinders.
 Strangely that even applies to universities.


 Not real surprising. Universities can be *enormously* ignorant and
 conceited. (Community colleges too...my god, some of the flaming egos and
 politics around there are mind-boggling, especially considering it's  
 *just*
 a CC...)


 Hell, they didn't even know  about clang even though they were  
 progressive
 enough to use C++0x.


 I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only
 language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's  
 null-terminated
 strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language.


I helped a friend with some assignments from a professor who wrote
absolutely unreadable code, and who taught students to use int[101]
to allocate 100 ints, because he couldn't grasp indexing from 0 to
99.

I also really liked the assignment where we were told of a mythical
processor that would multiply 2 NxN matrices in O(N^4) time.

-- 
   Simen



 Oct 10 2011



 next sibling parent  simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com>  writes:


On 10.10.2011 22:35, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:

 On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:11:45 +0200, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "Trass3r" <un known.com> wrote in message
 news:op.v2ze74ma3ncmek enigma...

 Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers
 to be a bit more stable.


 They have been vastly improving, really.


 Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as
 Go or
 D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in.


 That's not D's or Go's fault. Most guys especially in bigger
 corporations
 are plain ignorant and wear blinders.
 Strangely that even applies to universities.


 Not real surprising. Universities can be *enormously* ignorant and
 conceited. (Community colleges too...my god, some of the flaming egos and
 politics around there are mind-boggling, especially considering it's
 *just*
 a CC...)


 Hell, they didn't even know about clang even though they were
 progressive
 enough to use C++0x.


 I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only
 language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's
 null-terminated
 strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language.


 I helped a friend with some assignments from a professor who wrote
 absolutely unreadable code, and who taught students to use int[101]
 to allocate 100 ints, because he couldn't grasp indexing from 0 to
 99.

 I also really liked the assignment where we were told of a mythical
 processor that would multiply 2 NxN matrices in O(N^4) time.


Wow.. Looking forward to start my CS degree next year... :)



 Oct 10 2011



prev sibling  parent reply Bane <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com>  writes:


Simen Kjaeraas Wrote:


 On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:11:45 +0200, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:
 

 "Trass3r" <un known.com> wrote in message  
 news:op.v2ze74ma3ncmek enigma...

 Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compilers
 to be a bit more stable.


 They have been vastly improving, really.


 Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as Go  
 or
 D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in.


 That's not D's or Go's fault. Most guys especially in bigger  
 corporations
 are plain ignorant and wear blinders.
 Strangely that even applies to universities.


 Not real surprising. Universities can be *enormously* ignorant and
 conceited. (Community colleges too...my god, some of the flaming egos and
 politics around there are mind-boggling, especially considering it's  
 *just*
 a CC...)


 Hell, they didn't even know  about clang even though they were  
 progressive
 enough to use C++0x.


 I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only
 language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's  
 null-terminated
 strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language.


 
 I helped a friend with some assignments from a professor who wrote
 absolutely unreadable code, and who taught students to use int[101]
 to allocate 100 ints, because he couldn't grasp indexing from 0 to
 99.
 
 I also really liked the assignment where we were told of a mythical
 processor that would multiply 2 NxN matrices in O(N^4) time.
 
 -- 
    Simen


Those who know, work with it. Those who don't know, teach it.



 Oct 10 2011



  parent  Andrew Wiley <wiley.andrew.j gmail.com>  writes:


On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Bane <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> wr=
ote:

 Simen Kjaeraas Wrote:


 On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:11:45 +0200, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "Trass3r" <un known.com> wrote in message
 news:op.v2ze74ma3ncmek enigma...

 Now D is also quite cool, I would just like for the language compile=










rs

 to be a bit more stable.


 They have been vastly improving, really.


 Currently I do have more sucess proposing C++11 based solutions as G=










o

 or
 D based ones, on the type of corporate environment I work in.


 That's not D's or Go's fault. Most guys especially in bigger
 corporations
 are plain ignorant and wear blinders.
 Strangely that even applies to universities.


 Not real surprising. Universities can be *enormously* ignorant and
 conceited. (Community colleges too...my god, some of the flaming egos =






and

 politics around there are mind-boggling, especially considering it's
 *just*
 a CC...)


 Hell, they didn't even know =A0about clang even though they were
 progressive
 enough to use C++0x.


 I once had a university professor who openly admitted C was the only
 language he knew - and yet he didn't even understand how C's
 null-terminated
 strings work. So he didn't really even know that one language.


 I helped a friend with some assignments from a professor who wrote
 absolutely unreadable code, and who taught students to use int[101]
 to allocate 100 ints, because he couldn't grasp indexing from 0 to
 99.

 I also really liked the assignment where we were told of a mythical
 processor that would multiply 2 NxN matrices in O(N^4) time.

 --
 =A0 =A0Simen


 Those who know, work with it. Those who don't know, teach it.


I'm at a research university, and I haven't really had this problem at
all. I've had a professor teach us his commandments of multithreaded
programming who admitted he used to be a bit of a hypocrite according
to his own rules, but that's about it.
I even have one professor who just came back from a one year
sabbatical in which he worked at a startup.



 Oct 10 2011



prev sibling  parent reply Jesse Phillips <jessekphillips+D gmail.com>  writes:


Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:


 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/
 
 Andrei


I like your comment about being in 1981. If I'm not mistaken, what he describes
in this

http://youtu.be/HxaD_trXwRE?t=7m55s

is that toString is a Unique addition to Go.



 Oct 07 2011



  parent  "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org>  writes:


I like Go's simplicity and somehow I am attracted to it due to the some of 
its Oberon influences.

Now, everyone with a proper computer science background will immediatly see 
that all the
features that are sold as Go unique features, are already available for long 
time in other languages,
only not in C or to a certain extent C++.

Go might eventually become a nice C sucessor, but it will never be able to 
replace C++, Java, D,
or any other current languages that offer much better programming 
abstractions.

--
Paulo

"Jesse Phillips" <jessekphillips+D gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:j6nh24$2deh$1 digitalmars.com...

 Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:


 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l3tk5/merging_in_the_gnu_d_language_compiler_to_gcc/

 Andrei


 I like your comment about being in 1981. If I'm not mistaken, what he 
 describes in this

 http://youtu.be/HxaD_trXwRE?t=7m55s

 is that toString is a Unique addition to Go. 





 Oct 08 2011