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reply Patrick Schluter <Patrick.Schluter bbox.fr> writes:
Could the one who has put Ukrainian colours on the icon of the D 
page please remove it.
It is completely inappropriate to put a POLITICAL message on the 
official web site.

Thank you.
Feb 25 2022
next sibling parent Patrick Schluter <Patrick.Schluter bbox.fr> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 13:22:19 UTC, Patrick Schluter 
wrote:

 Could the one who has put Ukrainian colours on the icon of the 
 D page please remove it.
 It is completely inappropriate to put a POLITICAL message on 
 the official web site.

 Thank you.


and to make kit clear, I would have made the same message if it 
had been Russian, European, Chinese or an US flag.
Feb 25 2022
prev sibling next sibling parent reply matheus <matheus gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 13:22:19 UTC, Patrick Schluter 
wrote:

 Could the one who has put Ukrainian colours on the icon of the 
 D page please remove it.
 It is completely inappropriate to put a POLITICAL message on 
 the official web site.

 Thank you.


I agree, and the worse thing is that now the Forum is being 
moderated, because I tried to create the same post a while ago 
and said it need approval.

This should be about D, programming and technical discussion.

Matheus.
Feb 25 2022
parent reply matheus <matheus gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 13:36:13 UTC, matheus wrote:

 ...


Oh by the way, who is in charge of this forum? Is there any kind 
of way to contact?

Because my IP was blocked because I said this exactly same thing 
Patrick said on the deleted thread, I was very respectful, but 
someone decided for what I think in a very anti-democratic way to 
block IP that respond of that thread.

Matheus.
Feb 25 2022
parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 13:39:16 UTC, matheus wrote:

 On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 13:36:13 UTC, matheus wrote:

 ...


 Oh by the way, who is in charge of this forum? Is there any 
 kind of way to contact?

 Because my IP was blocked because I said this exactly same 
 thing Patrick said on the deleted thread, I was very 
 respectful, but someone decided for what I think in a very 
 anti-democratic way to block IP that respond of that thread.

 Matheus.


I deleted a thread earlier because of the political direction it 
was heading. I didn't intend to put anyone on the moderation list 
when I did it, so apologies for that. I'll ping Vladimir to get 
you off it.
Feb 25 2022
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Bastiaan Veelo <Bastiaan Veelo.net> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 13:22:19 UTC, Patrick Schluter 
wrote:

 Could the one who has put Ukrainian colours on the icon of the 
 D page please remove it.


I cannot see any irregularities on dlang.org, and there are no 
traces of what you describe on 
https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/commits/stable. So if an 
unofficial logo has been served from dlang.org, it must have been 
put there (and reverted) by hand.

If the colours are still there for you, you are not getting the 
logo from its legitimate origin...

-- Bastiaan.
Feb 25 2022
parent Era Scarecrow <rtcvb32 yahoo.com> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 14:29:44 UTC, Bastiaan Veelo wrote:

 On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 13:22:19 UTC, Patrick Schluter 
 wrote:

 Could the one who has put Ukrainian colours on the icon of the 
 D page please remove it.


 I cannot see any irregularities on dlang.org, and there are no 
 traces of what you describe
 https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/commits/stable.
 So if an unofficial logo has been served from dlang.org, it 
 must have  been put there (*and reverted*) by hand.


  Last commit is 11 days ago.

  Something changed by hand might be the case, but also might 
depend on who controls the server (*in which the pages/images 
reside*) which ultimately *could* in theory override/replace 
images. But logically who would change an image/logo for only a 
scant few hours?

  There's a very small chance the image was downloaded corrupted 
(*or using a corrupted cache of images stored*) which could 
change any amount of the image in how it decodes. I recall weird 
results in half-downloaded jpegs before. Or they were looking at 
some other page entirely; But without a link or screenshot I'd 
say it's hearsay.

But i will agree with OP, D (*well pretty much everything in my 
opinion*) should be politically neutral.
Feb 25 2022
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 13:22:19 UTC, Patrick Schluter 
wrote:

 Could the one who has put Ukrainian colours on the icon of the 
 D page please remove it.
 It is completely inappropriate to put a POLITICAL message on 
 the official web site.

 Thank you.


Where are you seeing this?
Feb 25 2022
next sibling parent jmh530 <john.michael.hall gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 14:44:06 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 [snip]

 Where are you seeing this?


I see it on the icon in my favorites on my iPhone. The lower part 
of the D is yellow and the upper part is blue.
Feb 25 2022
prev sibling parent reply Patrick Schluter <Patrick.Schluter bbox.fr> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 14:44:06 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 13:22:19 UTC, Patrick Schluter 
 wrote:

 Could the one who has put Ukrainian colours on the icon of the 
 D page please remove it.
 It is completely inappropriate to put a POLITICAL message on 
 the official web site.

 Thank you.


 Where are you seeing this?


It was the tab icon in browser (Firefox) and on the "open a new 
tab window". The tab icon is now back to its normal red colour. 
The one in the open new tab icon is still blue-yellow but I 
suppose it is cached (ok I restarted the browser, the colour is 
back to normal).
Feb 25 2022
parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 15:13:12 UTC, Patrick Schluter 
wrote:


 It was the tab icon in browser (Firefox) and on the "open a new 
 tab window". The tab icon is now back to its normal red colour. 
 The one in the open new tab icon is still blue-yellow but I 
 suppose it is cached (ok I restarted the browser, the colour is 
 back to normal).


Okay, thanks.
Feb 25 2022
prev sibling parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 13:22:19 UTC, Patrick Schluter 
wrote:

 Could the one who has put Ukrainian colours on the icon of the 
 D page please remove it.
 It is completely inappropriate to put a POLITICAL message on 
 the official web site.

 Thank you.


On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 13:22:19 UTC, Patrick Schluter 
wrote:

 Could the one who has put Ukrainian colours on the icon of the 
 D page please remove it.
 It is completely inappropriate to put a POLITICAL message on 
 the official web site.


Hi Patrick,

I changed the icon. I've now reverted the change. I'm sorry.

- What was changed: I implemented a [small 
hack](https://gist.github.com/CyberShadow/911864f3b0882ec8e8e9bbf75513eef6) on
websites on my personal server. Since I wrote the D forum, it's among the
websites hosted on the server.

- What was not changed: anything regarding the official D 
website, https://dlang.org/.

- Why I did it: it's an issue that affects me directly and 
personally. In the interests of keeping things on topic I will 
avoid elaborating further. The hack was not meant as a "political 
message".

- What will change: The hack is reverted; if you still see the 
icon, please do a forced refresh. I apologize for this unilateral 
change, it was selfish of me to do it without consulting with the 
D leadership. In the future I will be more mindful of the 
sensibilities of people around the world.

- Regarding moderation issues: there was a bug in the way that 
forum moderation was handled, which I've now fixed. Apologies for 
that. No one is actually banned from participating.
Feb 25 2022
next sibling parent Era Scarecrow <rtcvb32 yahoo.com> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 16:51:18 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 Hi Patrick,

 I changed the icon. I've now reverted the change. I'm sorry.

 - What was changed: I implemented a [small 
 hack](https://gist.github.com/CyberShadow/911864f3b0882ec8e8e9bbf75513eef6) on
websites on my personal server. Since I wrote the D forum, it's among the
websites hosted on the server.


  So basically a personal change whose effects bled through to D 
by accident. So my thoughts on a corrupted image was wrong.

  Glancing at the hack, you just changed how it handled the 
blue/green in two places.
Feb 25 2022
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= <ola.fosheim.grostad gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 16:51:18 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 - What will change: The hack is reverted; if you still see the 
 icon, please do a forced refresh.


I won't do a refresh. I appreciate it. Thanks!
Feb 25 2022
parent reply Paulo Pinto <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 17:03:44 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad 
wrote:

 On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 16:51:18 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 - What will change: The hack is reverted; if you still see the 
 icon, please do a forced refresh.


 I won't do a refresh. I appreciate it. Thanks!


Same here.
Feb 26 2022
parent reply bauss <jj_1337 live.dk> writes:
On Saturday, 26 February 2022 at 08:51:23 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:

 On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 17:03:44 UTC, Ola Fosheim 
 Grøstad wrote:

 On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 16:51:18 UTC, Vladimir 
 Panteleev wrote:

 - What will change: The hack is reverted; if you still see 
 the icon, please do a forced refresh.


 I won't do a refresh. I appreciate it. Thanks!


 Same here.


I never even got it, sadface.
Feb 27 2022
parent reply Suliman <evermind live.ru> writes:
In a couple of days a wave of sanctions will kick Microsoft and 
other software manufacturers, frameworks, IDEs - and then even 
the question of choosing between programming languages will 
become political.
Feb 28 2022
parent Basile B. <b2.temp gmx.com> writes:
On Monday, 28 February 2022 at 08:57:49 UTC, Suliman wrote:

 In a couple of days a wave of sanctions will kick Microsoft and 
 other software manufacturers, frameworks, IDEs - and then even 
 the question of choosing between programming languages will 
 become political.


Bollocks.

The transition to new tools and OS would take years and would be 
very costly. I know what you are refering to however: the threat 
to nationalize foreign companies that have affiliate on their 
soil.

Also [the initiative], as something that could be applied to 
software, is neiter new nor specific to the on going events.

[the initiative]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50507849
Feb 28 2022
prev sibling next sibling parent =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 2/25/22 08:51, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:


 reverted


Finding this opportunity to thank you once again for everything you've 
been doing for the D community!

Ali

P.S. However, there is still no awesome Emacs D mode! :p Just kidding...
Feb 25 2022
prev sibling parent reply MoonlightSentinel <moonlightsentinel disroot.org> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 16:51:18 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 - What will change: The hack is reverted; if you still see the 
 icon, please do a forced refresh. [...]


The flair was a nice touch given the current events - even if 
done by accident. Any "professional" should be able to ignore a 
small icon...
Feb 25 2022
parent reply Vladimir Marchevsky <vladimmi gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 22:53:42 UTC, MoonlightSentinel 
wrote:

 Any "professional" should be able to ignore a small icon...


Exactly, any professional should be able to keep a small icon of 
PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE as it is and keep their own political 
believes at the suitable place. When project, that is not related 
to politics in any way, pushes some political agenda - that 
project does not deserve to be used anywhere serious. I hope D 
will not follow the shameful way of KDAB and Qt Foundation 
(silently blocking specific IP addresses from downloading their 
software, including commercial customers) or similar companies.
Mar 02 2022
next sibling parent deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 17:13:32 UTC, Vladimir Marchevsky 
wrote:

 On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 22:53:42 UTC, MoonlightSentinel 
 wrote:

 Any "professional" should be able to ignore a small icon...


 Exactly, any professional should be able to keep a small icon 
 of PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE as it is and keep their own political 
 believes at the suitable place. When project, that is not 
 related to politics in any way, pushes some political agenda - 
 that project does not deserve to be used anywhere serious. I 
 hope D will not follow the shameful way of KDAB and Qt 
 Foundation (silently blocking specific IP addresses from 
 downloading their software, including commercial customers) or 
 similar companies.


This language is uncalled for. Neutrality cut both ways.
Mar 02 2022
prev sibling parent reply ClapTrap <clap trap.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 17:13:32 UTC, Vladimir Marchevsky 
wrote:

 On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 22:53:42 UTC, MoonlightSentinel 
 wrote:

 Any "professional" should be able to ignore a small icon...


 Exactly, any professional should be able to keep a small icon 
 of PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE as it is and keep their own political 
 believes at the suitable place. When project, that is not 
 related to politics in any way, pushes some political agenda - 
 that project does not deserve to be used anywhere serious. I 
 hope D will not follow the shameful way of KDAB and Qt 
 Foundation (silently blocking specific IP addresses from 
 downloading their software, including commercial customers) or 
 similar companies.


It is not shameful to make a stand against tyranny.
Mar 02 2022
parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 21:47:18 UTC, ClapTrap wrote:

 It is not shameful to make a stand against tyranny.


Please everyone, let’s kill this conversation now. The mistake 
was unintentional, it was acknowledged and rectified. We all have 
our views on the current situation, but this forum is not the 
place to express them. I’ll delete any further such posts.

Thanks!
Mar 02 2022
parent deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 01:46:57 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 21:47:18 UTC, ClapTrap wrote:

 It is not shameful to make a stand against tyranny.


 Please everyone, let’s kill this conversation now. The mistake 
 was unintentional, it was acknowledged and rectified. We all 
 have our views on the current situation, but this forum is not 
 the place to express them. I’ll delete any further such posts.

 Thanks!


<3
Mar 03 2022