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reply "frustrated" <zomb3h hushmail.com> writes:
Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.
It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
and still not have a straightforward installation that works out
of the box. Yes.. read the forums and search google for solutions
that may or may not work depending on the phases of the moon,
I have to ask you:
Why bother ?
Why would anybody trust a compiler written by people
who regard making it run out of the box an after-thought ?
Oct 23 2014
next sibling parent reply "Adam D. Ruppe" <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
I always just use the zip which works fine out of the box without 
even needing to be installed.
Oct 23 2014
next sibling parent reply "Tofu Ninja" <emmons0 purdue.edu> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:44:48 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 I always just use the zip which works fine out of the box 
 without even needing to be installed.


Same, I didn't need to do any thing to get up and working other 
than download the thing.

Care to share what problems you are having?
Oct 23 2014
parent "ROOAR" <youwants yahoo.com> writes:
I found it pretty easy on windows, just download D, then visual 
D, tell visual D where D is-- and what do you know.. it works.

  D has other problems like the mere existence of a GC, but I 
didn't find installing it confusing.
Oct 23 2014
prev sibling parent reply "Martin Nowak" <code dawg.eu> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:44:48 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 I always just use the zip which works fine out of the box 
 without even needing to be installed.


We're missing an installation guide on a prominent place on the 
front page.
Such things really scare away a lot of people.
Oct 24 2014
next sibling parent reply "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 10:42:48 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:

 We're missing an installation guide on a prominent place on the 
 front page.
 Such things really scare away a lot of people.


All gcc, clang, ldc etc are installed in the same way: download 
zip, unpack, use. Not sure if it's documented anywhere (looks 
intuitive), it's just everything traditionally worked this way 
for ages.
Oct 24 2014
parent "Martin Nowak" <code dawg.eu> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 12:45:38 UTC, Kagamin wrote:

 On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 10:42:48 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:

 We're missing an installation guide on a prominent place on 
 the front page.
 Such things really scare away a lot of people.


 All gcc, clang, ldc etc are installed in the same way: download 
 zip, unpack, use. Not sure if it's documented anywhere (looks 
 intuitive), it's just everything traditionally worked this way 
 for ages.


Well then just write that on the download page and add a link to 
D.learn saying that this is the place to go when something 
doesn't work.
http://golang.org/doc/install

A smooth installation to hello world experience is of utmost 
importance for a good conversion funnel. How much time would 
someone spend on this after reading a wired article? What's the 
first impression someone gets from the D language when even the 
very first step is rough.
Oct 24 2014
prev sibling parent reply ketmar via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:42:47 +0000
Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:44:48 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 I always just use the zip which works fine out of the box=20
 without even needing to be installed.


=20
 We're missing an installation guide on a prominent place on the=20
 front page.
 Such things really scare away a lot of people.


if we scaring away people who can't download and run one .exe, this
can't be bad thing. there is clear link do download insteller on
dlang.org. when i was in need to write simple program on win8 box, i
downloaded that .exe, started it, pressed some "next" and "finish"
buttons and... voila, dmd compiler is here and working. if this is way
too hard for someone, then i doubt that he should write programs at all.
Oct 24 2014
parent reply "Meta" <jared771 gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 13:04:48 UTC, ketmar via 
Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:42:47 +0000
 Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> 
 wrote:


 On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:44:48 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe 
 wrote:

 I always just use the zip which works fine out of the box 
 without even needing to be installed.


 
 We're missing an installation guide on a prominent place on 
 the front page.
 Such things really scare away a lot of people.


 if we scaring away people who can't download and run one .exe, 
 this
 can't be bad thing. there is clear link do download insteller on
 dlang.org. when i was in need to write simple program on win8 
 box, i
 downloaded that .exe, started it, pressed some "next" and 
 "finish"
 buttons and... voila, dmd compiler is here and working. if this 
 is way
 too hard for someone, then i doubt that he should write 
 programs at all.


There are other more subtle problems that someone can run into. 
One problem I've encountered on Windows is that having a '+' in 
your path trips up Optlink (Notepad++ triggered this issue for 
me). Linking starts failing for no apparent reason, and it is 
extremely frustrating until you figure out what's wrong (and 
still maddening afterword to think that such a stupid bug 
exists). Let's try to help debug the problem rather than making 
presumptions about OPs technical knowledge.
Oct 24 2014
next sibling parent reply ketmar via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:26:15 +0000
Meta via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 Let's try to help debug the problem rather than making=20
 presumptions about OPs technical knowledge.


that's only if OP wants his problem to be solved. here it's clear that
he doesn't want to solve the problem, as he gives no details at all
(not even OS, let alone describing what he did and what he got). there
is nothing to help with. it's not about tone of OP posting, it's about
having nothing to start with. should we torture him to get that gory
details?
Oct 24 2014
next sibling parent reply Xavier Bigand <flamaros.xavier gmail.com> writes:
Le 24/10/2014 15:45, ketmar via Digitalmars-d a écrit :

 On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:26:15 +0000
 Meta via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 Let's try to help debug the problem rather than making
 presumptions about OPs technical knowledge.


 that's only if OP wants his problem to be solved. here it's clear that
 he doesn't want to solve the problem, as he gives no details at all
 (not even OS, let alone describing what he did and what he got). there
 is nothing to help with. it's not about tone of OP posting, it's about
 having nothing to start with. should we torture him to get that gory
 details?


Writing programs isn't just as fun as launching a game, it's often 
frustrating,... Success isn't immediate.
Like you tell, if he complains without any information about his 
environment that could be the issue, it's just like he doesn't really 
want investigate himself in D, so we can't do nothing.
Oct 24 2014
parent ketmar via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 21:31:45 +0200
Xavier Bigand via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 Writing programs isn't just as fun as launching a game, it's often=20
 frustrating,... Success isn't immediate.


ah, launching a game can be sooooo frustrating... imagine a game that
AVs or just plainly refuses to launch. and you can do nothing with this
'cause you have no source code to debug. ;-)
Oct 24 2014
prev sibling parent reply "Kyoji Klyden" <trampzy yahoo.com> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 13:45:10 UTC, ketmar via
Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:26:15 +0000
 Meta via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 Let's try to help debug the problem rather than making 
 presumptions about OPs technical knowledge.


 that's only if OP wants his problem to be solved. here it's 
 clear that
 he doesn't want to solve the problem, as he gives no details at 
 all
 (not even OS, let alone describing what he did and what he 
 got). there
 is nothing to help with. it's not about tone of OP posting, 
 it's about
 having nothing to start with. should we torture him to get that 
 gory
 details?


Despite all rationale, priority should be in offering our
assistance, regardless of how futile it may be (Futile, because
in this case it's not likely he would have ever responded). It'd
be beneficial to atleast somewhat dispel D's "expert only" facade
that newcomers tend to get.
Oct 24 2014
next sibling parent reply ketmar via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 22:46:58 +0000
Kyoji Klyden via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 Despite all rationale, priority should be in offering our
 assistance, regardless of how futile it may be (Futile, because
 in this case it's not likely he would have ever responded). It'd
 be beneficial to atleast somewhat dispel D's "expert only" facade
 that newcomers tend to get.


that's why we have D.learn NG, where people tries not just answer to
question, but explain the answer, and answer's hidden complexity if
there is any, and so on. i rarely see answers with just a fixed code in
D.learn, almost always there is an explanation what was done wrong and
why, and how to do the things right (and why).

i believe that D.general is for advanced users. but even then people
will get detailed answers here if that people really want to solve
their troubles.
Oct 24 2014
parent reply "Kyoji Klyden" <trampzy yahoo.com> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 23:05:49 UTC, ketmar via
Digitalmars-d wrote:

 that's why we have D.learn NG, where people tries not just 
 answer to
 question, but explain the answer, and answer's hidden 
 complexity if
 there is any, and so on. i rarely see answers with just a fixed 
 code in
 D.learn, almost always there is an explanation what was done 
 wrong and
 why, and how to do the things right (and why).

 i believe that D.general is for advanced users. but even then 
 people
 will get detailed answers here if that people really want to 
 solve
 their troubles.


I wouldn't argue with that. Every time I've gone onto the learn
forum I've gotten very helpful answers. Though newcomers don't
always seem to find their way to learn ng for whatever variety of
reasons. Perhaps we should get a giant flashing button on the
homepage that says "Beginners click here!"? The button could then
take them around to all the right places, so they don't end up
like the poor OP.

I honestly don't know if I'm being serious or horribly sarcastic
at this point.;P
Oct 24 2014
next sibling parent reply ketmar via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 23:31:35 +0000
Kyoji Klyden via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 I wouldn't argue with that. Every time I've gone onto the learn
 forum I've gotten very helpful answers. Though newcomers don't
 always seem to find their way to learn ng for whatever variety of
 reasons. Perhaps we should get a giant flashing button on the
 homepage that says "Beginners click here!"? The button could then
 take them around to all the right places, so they don't end up
 like the poor OP.
=20
 I honestly don't know if I'm being serious or horribly sarcastic
 at this point.;P


we already moved D.learn to the top of the forums list. i believe that
there is more things in play. like seasoned programmers who feel
uncomfortable to ask questions in D.learn: "why, i'm not a newbie in
programming, so 'learn' is not the right place to ask..." or newbies
who doesn't want to look like newbies. ;-)

maybe renaming "D.learn" to "D.questions" can help here. i don't know.
Oct 24 2014
parent reply "Kyoji Klyden" <trampzy yahoo.com> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 23:44:23 UTC, ketmar via
Digitalmars-d wrote:

 we already moved D.learn to the top of the forums list. i 
 believe that
 there is more things in play. like seasoned programmers who feel
 uncomfortable to ask questions in D.learn: "why, i'm not a 
 newbie in
 programming, so 'learn' is not the right place to ask..." or 
 newbies
 who doesn't want to look like newbies. ;-)

 maybe renaming "D.learn" to "D.questions" can help here. i 
 don't know.


I hadn't really consider that perspective. I feel like I've
fallen to that on an occasion or two. Basically end up going to
the world's end trying to find an answer when if I had just asked
on the forums from the start I would've been done with whatever
the issue was in about 5 minutes.

I'm not sure what else we could call it though.. D.ask?
.questions is good.
Or maybe we should just tell everyone to get over themselves and
ask their damn questions already xD
Oct 24 2014
parent reply ketmar via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 23:59:08 +0000
Kyoji Klyden via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 I'm not sure what else we could call it though.. D.ask?
 .questions is good.
 Or maybe we should just tell everyone to get over themselves and
 ask their damn questions already xD


i believe we can do both things to get even stronger effect. ;-)
Oct 24 2014
parent David Gileadi <gileadis NSPMgmail.com> writes:
On 10/24/14, 5:05 PM, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 23:59:08 +0000
 Kyoji Klyden via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 I'm not sure what else we could call it though.. D.ask?
 .questions is good.




Others have suggested D.users.
Oct 27 2014
prev sibling parent reply "Mike" <none none.com> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 23:31:36 UTC, Kyoji Klyden wrote:

 I wouldn't argue with that. Every time I've gone onto the learn
 forum I've gotten very helpful answers. Though newcomers don't
 always seem to find their way to learn ng for whatever variety 
 of
 reasons.


How does one submit a pull request to update the descriptions on 
the forum?  The forum doesn't seem to be part of dlang.org.

Should I have posted this question on D.Learn? :)
Oct 24 2014
next sibling parent ketmar via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 23:54:29 +0000
Mike via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 How does one submit a pull request to update the descriptions on=20
 the forum?  The forum doesn't seem to be part of dlang.org.


i think that we have to cast Cybershadow here. ;-)
Oct 24 2014
prev sibling parent reply "Kyoji Klyden" <trampzy yahoo.com> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 23:54:30 UTC, Mike wrote:

 How does one submit a pull request to update the descriptions 
 on the forum?  The forum doesn't seem to be part of dlang.org.

 Should I have posted this question on D.Learn? :)


Nah just file it on the bug tracker, and someone will get to it
before 2070, haha.

On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 00:06:06 UTC, ketmar via
Digitalmars-d wrote:

 i believe we can do both things to get even stronger effect. ;-)


The new layout:

digitalmars.d.questions
-----------------------
Get over yourself and ask already.
Oct 24 2014
parent reply ketmar via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 00:10:02 +0000
Kyoji Klyden via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 The new layout:
=20
 digitalmars.d.questions
 -----------------------
 Get over yourself and ask already.


"...and we have cookies!"
Oct 24 2014
parent "Kyoji Klyden" <trampzy yahoo.com> writes:
On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 00:18:40 UTC, ketmar via
Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 00:10:02 +0000
 Kyoji Klyden via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> 
 wrote:


 The new layout:
 
 digitalmars.d.questions
 -----------------------
 Get over yourself and ask already.


 "...and we have cookies!"


hahaha I think we finally solved it!
Oct 24 2014
prev sibling parent reply "Jesse Phillips" <Jesse.K.Phillips+D gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 22:46:59 UTC, Kyoji Klyden wrote:

 Despite all rationale, priority should be in offering our
 assistance, regardless of how futile it may be (Futile, because
 in this case it's not likely he would have ever responded). It'd
 be beneficial to atleast somewhat dispel D's "expert only" 
 facade that newcomers tend to get.


The issues with installation have gone way down now that we have 
all these platform specific installers. It doesn't matter how 
"expert" you are, having an installation go wrong is very 
annoying.

In this particular case there is nothing to solution. We don't 
know any details about his problem, we don't know why he ended up 
in this newsgroup. He isn't going to help us identify any issues 
that we can address; and historically this has happened many 
times where someone just wants to complain because they didn't 
like the language to begin with.
Oct 24 2014
parent "Kyoji Klyden" <trampzy yahoo.com> writes:
On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 00:49:58 UTC, Jesse Phillips
wrote:

 On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 22:46:59 UTC, Kyoji Klyden wrote:

 Despite all rationale, priority should be in offering our
 assistance, regardless of how futile it may be (Futile, because
 in this case it's not likely he would have ever responded). 
 It'd
 be beneficial to atleast somewhat dispel D's "expert only" 
 facade that newcomers tend to get.


 The issues with installation have gone way down now that we 
 have all these platform specific installers. It doesn't matter 
 how "expert" you are, having an installation go wrong is very 
 annoying.

 In this particular case there is nothing to solution. We don't 
 know any details about his problem, we don't know why he ended 
 up in this newsgroup. He isn't going to help us identify any 
 issues that we can address; and historically this has happened 
 many times where someone just wants to complain because they 
 didn't like the language to begin with.


That's why I said "regardless of how futile it may be". Just by
the fact he put his name as frustrated alone, would give the
impression he doesn't want help. He's probably happier to say "D
doesn't work" than he would be to say he's doing something wrong,
and fix it. However, what would be much worse than losing a
potential D user, would be to lose a potential D user and have
had nobody ever try to help. A couple people made comments about
his incompetence, which, while amusing, were not particularly
helpful.
So, we should hope one of these times, when someone comes in
ready to scream about how "D doesn't work" or the like, they'll
see the assistance they get greeted with and hopefully respond to
the help and then attempt to alleviate their issues. Even, if
they don't stick around, atleast they won't leave with a bad
taste in their mouth and possibly try to dissuade other
potentials away from D.
(I suppose it's worth mentioning too, that I'm _very_ used to
"driveby complaints". Work as an admin on Counter-Strike server
for even a week and just see how many complaints you get in a
day. Most of them have nothing to do with you, or the server, and
yet you still end up getting the blame.. or the very least, if
lucky, just the earful about why they hate the game :P)
Oct 24 2014
prev sibling parent Xavier Bigand <flamaros.xavier gmail.com> writes:
Le 24/10/2014 15:26, Meta a écrit :

 On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 13:04:48 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:42:47 +0000
 Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:44:48 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 I always just use the zip which works fine out of the box > without


 even needing to be installed.

 We're missing an installation guide on a prominent place on the front
 page.
 Such things really scare away a lot of people.


 if we scaring away people who can't download and run one .exe, this
 can't be bad thing. there is clear link do download insteller on
 dlang.org. when i was in need to write simple program on win8 box, i
 downloaded that .exe, started it, pressed some "next" and "finish"
 buttons and... voila, dmd compiler is here and working. if this is way
 too hard for someone, then i doubt that he should write programs at all.


 There are other more subtle problems that someone can run into. One
 problem I've encountered on Windows is that having a '+' in your path
 trips up Optlink (Notepad++ triggered this issue for me). Linking starts
 failing for no apparent reason, and it is extremely frustrating until
 you figure out what's wrong (and still maddening afterword to think that
 such a stupid bug exists). Let's try to help debug the problem rather
 than making presumptions about OPs technical knowledge.


Yep I got this issue, I spent a long time to figure it out.

Otherwise installation is pretty simple and standard for a developer.
Oct 24 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "kk" <trampzy yahoo.com> writes:
Why not ask people on here for help, if you're having trouble? Is
it installing the compiler your having trouble with, or maybe
it's a slight syntax error that's giving you trouble?
Oct 23 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "Chris Nicholson-Sauls" <ibisbasenji gmail.com> writes:
I first encountered D in 2001.  Back then it was basically:
1. download zip
2. unpack
3. go

Today it's... the same.  (In fairness I use dvm these days, just 
to automate it.)  So if you are having difficulty compiling 
something as simple as a "hello world," as you say, there is 
something else afoot.
Oct 23 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "Mike Parker" <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
I used to use the zip and never had a problem, but it did require 
an extra step or two to set up the environment. Now, I just use 
the installer. No need to set paths or anything. Install, open a 
cmd prompt and away you go.
Oct 23 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:

 Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.
 It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
 and still not have a straightforward installation that works out
 of the box. Yes.. read the forums and search google for 
 solutions
 that may or may not work depending on the phases of the moon,
 I have to ask you:
 Why bother ?
 Why would anybody trust a compiler written by people
 who regard making it run out of the box an after-thought ?


What are you expecting here ? We obviously can't help you as you 
don't give any information on the system you use or the error you 
get.

I guess the best I can do is wish you luck with your frustration.
Oct 23 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "Jack Applegame" <japplegame gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:

 Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.
 It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
 and still not have a straightforward installation that works out
 of the box. Yes.. read the forums and search google for 
 solutions
 that may or may not work depending on the phases of the moon,
 I have to ask you:
 Why bother ?
 Why would anybody trust a compiler written by people
 who regard making it run out of the box an after-thought ?


Natural selection in action.
You saved the D community from yourself. Thank you very much!
Oct 23 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:

 Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.


Maybe, you messed some semicolons or braces in the hello world 
source? Try to check that you copied it correctly.
Oct 24 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "eles" <eles eles.com> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:

 Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.
 It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
 and still not have a straightforward installation that works out
 of the box. Yes.. read the forums and search google for 
 solutions
 that may or may not work depending on the phases of the moon,
 I have to ask you:
 Why bother ?
 Why would anybody trust a compiler written by people
 who regard making it run out of the box an after-thought ?


Could you, please, post a step-by-step description of what 
operations are you doing and the errors that you receive?

I know it is cumbersome, but it would be needed only once. Then, 
you'll receive some more accurate help.
Oct 24 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "Martin Nowak" <code dawg.eu> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:

 Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.


Hmm, sorry for whatever went wrong. It would be nice if you let 
us know what went wrong.


 It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
 and still not have a straightforward installation that works out
 of the box.


Well we do care about this, one more reason to resolve your 
problem.
Oct 24 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Puming" <zhaopuming gmail.com> writes:
The only OS that I found problematic with the dmd zip is CentOS 
5.8, all other systems I've tried: Centos 6.x, Ubuntu, Windows, 
MacOS, they all work perfectly.


On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:

 Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.
 It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
 and still not have a straightforward installation that works out
 of the box. Yes.. read the forums and search google for 
 solutions
 that may or may not work depending on the phases of the moon,
 I have to ask you:
 Why bother ?
 Why would anybody trust a compiler written by people
 who regard making it run out of the box an after-thought ?
Oct 24 2014
parent "Sean Kelly" <sean invisibleduck.org> writes:
Yes on a sufficiently old version of Linux you will have to 
recompile DMD. I doubt this is the user's problem though, as 
people in this situation are generally pretty used to 
encountering this.
Oct 24 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "John" <john.joyus gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:

 Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.
 It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
 and still not have a straightforward installation that works out
 of the box. Yes.. read the forums and search google for 
 solutions
 that may or may not work depending on the phases of the moon,
 I have to ask you:
 Why bother ?
 Why would anybody trust a compiler written by people
 who regard making it run out of the box an after-thought ?



It does run out of the box. May be you were in a bad mood.
Please try the D.learn group.
Oct 24 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Jkpl" <Jkpl nowhere.jp.pl> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:

 Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.
 It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
 and still not have a straightforward installation that works out
 of the box. Yes.. read the forums and search google for 
 solutions
 that may or may not work depending on the phases of the moon,
 I have to ask you:
 Why bother ?
 Why would anybody trust a compiler written by people
 who regard making it run out of the box an after-thought ?


Sorry, actually it was a joke from me and I laught a lot while 
reading your answers during 3 days. The setup is just fine, 
although if you've started a nice think-tank about the problem...
Sorry. My bad.
Oct 25 2014
next sibling parent "Tofu Ninja" <emmons0 purdue.edu> writes:
On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 19:33:45 UTC, Jkpl wrote:

 Sorry, actually it was a joke from me and I laught a lot while 
 reading your answers during 3 days. The setup is just fine, 
 although if you've started a nice think-tank about the 
 problem...
 Sorry. My bad.


:/
Oct 25 2014
prev sibling parent reply "Kyoji Klyden" <trampzy yahoo.com> writes:
On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 19:33:45 UTC, Jkpl wrote:

 On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:

 Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.
 It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
 and still not have a straightforward installation that works 
 out
 of the box. Yes.. read the forums and search google for 
 solutions
 that may or may not work depending on the phases of the moon,
 I have to ask you:
 Why bother ?
 Why would anybody trust a compiler written by people
 who regard making it run out of the box an after-thought ?


 Sorry, actually it was a joke from me and I laught a lot while 
 reading your answers during 3 days. The setup is just fine, 
 although if you've started a nice think-tank about the 
 problem...
 Sorry. My bad.


Regardless of me believing you or not, by what means was it a
joke? OP complains about technical difficulties, several people
offer assistance, then you arrive claim you laughed about the
whole thing and apologize.
I find it hard to believe there was any humor amongst any of
that, aside from the few jokes a couple people made.
Oct 25 2014
parent reply "Jkpl" <Jkpl nowhere.jp.pl> writes:
On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 21:24:14 UTC, Kyoji Klyden wrote:

 On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 19:33:45 UTC, Jkpl wrote:

 On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:

 Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to 
 compile.
 It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
 and still not have a straightforward installation that works 
 out
 of the box. Yes.. read the forums and search google for 
 solutions
 that may or may not work depending on the phases of the moon,
 I have to ask you:
 Why bother ?
 Why would anybody trust a compiler written by people
 who regard making it run out of the box an after-thought ?


 Sorry, actually it was a joke from me and I laught a lot while 
 reading your answers during 3 days. The setup is just fine, 
 although if you've started a nice think-tank about the 
 problem...
 Sorry. My bad.


 Regardless of me believing you or not, by what means was it a
 joke? OP complains about technical difficulties, several people
 offer assistance, then you arrive claim you laughed about the
 whole thing and apologize.
 I find it hard to believe there was any humor amongst any of
 that, aside from the few jokes a couple people made.


Just ask to Vlad. He seems to be the forum maintainer. He'll 
check the IP.
Even if I'm not the OP, the message is clear: why the hell do you 
care about this ? DMD setup is fine. It works. dot.
Oct 25 2014
parent reply "Kyoji Klyden" <trampzy yahoo.com> writes:
On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 22:17:35 UTC, Jkpl wrote:

 Just ask to Vlad. He seems to be the forum maintainer. He'll 
 check the IP.
 Even if I'm not the OP, the message is clear: why the hell do 
 you care about this ? DMD setup is fine. It works. dot.


Haha, why would anyone go check your IP?
Should we tell everyone who has trouble with DMD: "the setup is
fine. It works. dot."? It has a very reassuring ring to it. Melts
my troubles away. :P

Once you're ready to take on "Hello World" or to show us your
next great skit, feel free to post in D.Learn.
Oct 25 2014
next sibling parent "Damian" <damianday hotmail.co.uk> writes:
On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 22:41:59 UTC, Kyoji Klyden wrote:

 On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 22:17:35 UTC, Jkpl wrote:

 Just ask to Vlad. He seems to be the forum maintainer. He'll 
 check the IP.
 Even if I'm not the OP, the message is clear: why the hell do 
 you care about this ? DMD setup is fine. It works. dot.


 Haha, why would anyone go check your IP?
 Should we tell everyone who has trouble with DMD: "the setup is
 fine. It works. dot."? It has a very reassuring ring to it. 
 Melts
 my troubles away. :P

 Once you're ready to take on "Hello World" or to show us your
 next great skit, feel free to post in D.Learn.


But the setup is fine.. and when it isn't you can see from just 
how fast the community replies, that people do care, and will 
endeavour to fix it!
There is also the option to use DMD without the installer, its 
not rocket science.

In fact all this thread has really served is to prove just how 
much people do care for D.
Oct 25 2014
prev sibling parent reply "Jkpl" <Jkpl nowhere.jp.pl> writes:
On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 22:41:59 UTC, Kyoji Klyden wrote:

 On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 22:17:35 UTC, Jkpl wrote:

 Just ask to Vlad. He seems to be the forum maintainer. He'll 
 check the IP.
 Even if I'm not the OP, the message is clear: why the hell do 
 you care about this ? DMD setup is fine. It works. dot.


 Haha, why would anyone go check your IP?
 Should we tell everyone who has trouble with DMD: "the setup is
 fine. It works. dot."? It has a very reassuring ring to it. 
 Melts
 my troubles away. :P

 Once you're ready to take on "Hello World" or to show us your
 next great skit, feel free to post in D.Learn.


Initially i was just trying to solve the thing by saying:
"dont bother it 's a joke, you can setup dmd and compile a simple 
hello world".
But...it seems that's some people cant accept the "perfect" 
explanation.
I mean: stop being stuck on this, the OP has made an error. He 
won't reply.
Even if now he has compiled his "hello world", do you really 
think, in your own soul, that he will come saying "it's ok now, I 
get it, it works fine".
Seriously.
Oct 25 2014
parent reply "frustrated" <frustrated nowhere.jp.pl> writes:
On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 23:44:04 UTC, Jkpl wrote:

 On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 22:41:59 UTC, Kyoji Klyden 
 wrote:

 On Saturday, 25 October 2014 at 22:17:35 UTC, Jkpl wrote:

 Just ask to Vlad. He seems to be the forum maintainer. He'll 
 check the IP.
 Even if I'm not the OP, the message is clear: why the hell do 
 you care about this ? DMD setup is fine. It works. dot.


 Haha, why would anyone go check your IP?
 Should we tell everyone who has trouble with DMD: "the setup is
 fine. It works. dot."? It has a very reassuring ring to it. 
 Melts
 my troubles away. :P

 Once you're ready to take on "Hello World" or to show us your
 next great skit, feel free to post in D.Learn.


 Initially i was just trying to solve the thing by saying:
 "dont bother it 's a joke, you can setup dmd and compile a 
 simple hello world".
 But...it seems that's some people cant accept the "perfect" 
 explanation.
 I mean: stop being stuck on this, the OP has made an error. He 
 won't reply.
 Even if now he has compiled his "hello world", do you really 
 think, in your own soul, that he will come saying "it's ok now, 
 I get it, it works fine".
 Seriously.


it's ok now, I get it, it works fine.
I managed to compile a "hello world".
Stop the hostilities. Plz.
Oct 25 2014
parent "Ty Tower" <tytower hotmail.com.au> writes:
great stuff frustrated I hope you enjoy it . Its worth the time 
investment
Oct 25 2014
prev sibling parent reply "MachineCode" <netorib94 gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 24 October 2014 at 02:42:13 UTC, frustrated wrote:

 Two days later and I still cant get a 'Hello World' to compile.
 It is far beyond me how a project can exist for so many years
 and still not have a straightforward installation that works out
 of the box. Yes.. read the forums and search google for 
 solutions
 that may or may not work depending on the phases of the moon,
 I have to ask you:
 Why bother ?
 Why would anybody trust a compiler written by people
 who regard making it run out of the box an after-thought ?


What error are you getting? dmd easier to install as tcc 
compiler. I used to download a .zip file but now I use the setup 
in .exe format so it install everything for me 1-click only. It 
ask me to install dmd/dmc/visual D and so on. I select what I 
need to and then it's done. After downloaed I just path the dmd's 
path in my Windows' PATH variable to use it from command line or 
an IDE invoke dmd command and run successfully.

It's on Windows. Other than Windows such as Linux isn't such a 
hard.
Oct 25 2014
parent "Ty Tower" <tytower hotmail.com.au> writes:
I see only one post from Frustrated the OP
You guys won't learn will you .
Oct 25 2014