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reply "ref2401" <refactor24 gmail.com> writes:
Does the fund exist?
Are there sponsors?
How can one donate some money to D?
Aug 09 2015
next sibling parent Manu via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
Andrei has been working on a D foundation. I'm not sure where it's at.

On 9 August 2015 at 19:15, ref2401 via Digitalmars-d
<digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:

 Does the fund exist?
 Are there sponsors?
 How can one donate some money to D?
Aug 09 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Joakim" <dlang joakim.fea.st> writes:
On Sunday, 9 August 2015 at 09:15:16 UTC, ref2401 wrote:

 Does the fund exist?
 Are there sponsors?
 How can one donate some money to D?


We do something even better, you can place bounties on specific 
issues that you're willing to pay for:

https://www.bountysource.com/teams/d

If the issue you're looking for isn't raised already, you can 
open one in bugzilla (https://issues.dlang.org/, where you can 
also vote on issues) and then place a bounty for it on 
bountysource.  As you can see from the above link, people are 
placing bounties and collecting them, though probably not 
anywhere near the pace possible.  That's probably at least partly 
because it's hard to find, with a link from the front page of the 
wiki but not the homepage.

Andrei is working on setting up a foundation for another way to 
channel funds towards D.
Aug 09 2015
next sibling parent "tired_eyes" <pastuhov85 gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 9 August 2015 at 09:37:41 UTC, Joakim wrote:

 On Sunday, 9 August 2015 at 09:15:16 UTC, ref2401 wrote:

 Does the fund exist?
 Are there sponsors?
 How can one donate some money to D?


 We do something even better, you can place bounties on specific 
 issues that you're willing to pay for:

 https://www.bountysource.com/teams/d

 If the issue you're looking for isn't raised already, you can 
 open one in bugzilla (https://issues.dlang.org/, where you can 
 also vote on issues) and then place a bounty for it on 
 bountysource.  As you can see from the above link, people are 
 placing bounties and collecting them, though probably not 
 anywhere near the pace possible.  That's probably at least 
 partly because it's hard to find, with a link from the front 
 page of the wiki but not the homepage.

 Andrei is working on setting up a foundation for another way to 
 channel funds towards D.


Didn't even know that D is on Bountysource. This info definitely 
should be presented in some way on dlang.org. Look at 
http://neovim.io/ for example - Bountysource link is presented... 
err... unostentatiously, but they really raise some funds with it.
Aug 09 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Adam D. Ruppe" <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 9 August 2015 at 09:37:41 UTC, Joakim wrote:

 We do something even better, you can place bounties on specific 
 issues that you're willing to pay for:


The bounty thing is pretty useless to me. The amounts don't even 
cover the administrative overhead (working through all the hassle 
to actually claim it takes a lot of time), and certainly aren't 
enough to plan ahead on.

Without being able to reliably budget, it cannot be a replacement 
for any day jobs.... which means I can't quit a job to make time 
to do it.

Which means the only bugs I fix are the ones I would have fixed 
anyway, regardless of the bounty. I suspect a lot of other devs 
are in the same position.
Aug 09 2015
parent "Dicebot" <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On Sunday, 9 August 2015 at 12:52:24 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 On Sunday, 9 August 2015 at 09:37:41 UTC, Joakim wrote:

 We do something even better, you can place bounties on 
 specific issues that you're willing to pay for:


 The bounty thing is pretty useless to me. The amounts don't 
 even cover the administrative overhead (working through all the 
 hassle to actually claim it takes a lot of time), and certainly 
 aren't enough to plan ahead on.

 Without being able to reliably budget, it cannot be a 
 replacement for any day jobs.... which means I can't quit a job 
 to make time to do it.

 Which means the only bugs I fix are the ones I would have fixed 
 anyway, regardless of the bounty. I suspect a lot of other devs 
 are in the same position.


Yes, I have roughly the same critics against the bountysource. If 
bounties don't cover actual development costs, they don't 
motivate.
Aug 09 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "ref2401" <refactor24 gmail.com> writes:
I don't have much experience and time to contribute to code-base 
directly. But I'd like to donate some money every month. I think 
(hope) there are several guys who would like to donate to. There 
must be the way to do it.
Aug 09 2015
next sibling parent Rikki Cattermole <alphaglosined gmail.com> writes:
On 10/08/2015 1:22 a.m., ref2401 wrote:

 I don't have much experience and time to contribute to code-base
 directly. But I'd like to donate some money every month. I think (hope)
 there are several guys who would like to donate to. There must be the
 way to do it.


Perhaps, what we should do is a double wammy at this.

I know that both me and Vild (can't remember name) streams on livecoding.tv.
Perhaps donating to D streamers will do it?

You get publicity for D AND D gets a bunch of code written in return.
Aug 09 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent Dmitry Olshansky <dmitry.olsh gmail.com> writes:
On 09-Aug-2015 16:22, ref2401 wrote:

 I don't have much experience and time to contribute to code-base
 directly. But I'd like to donate some money every month. I think (hope)
 there are several guys who would like to donate to. There must be the
 way to do it.


Other options involve hiring somebody fluent in D to fix the bugs you need.

-- 
Dmitry Olshansky
Aug 09 2015
prev sibling parent reply Bruno Medeiros <bruno.do.medeiros+dng gmail.com> writes:
On 09/08/2015 14:22, ref2401 wrote:

 I don't have much experience and time to contribute to code-base
 directly. But I'd like to donate some money every month. I think (hope)
 there are several guys who would like to donate to. There must be the
 way to do it.


Actually, it seems BountySource is experimenting with a monthly payment 
model: https://salt.bountysource.com/
Invite only at the moment, but I think you can submit request if you are 
the project leader.

Might be a interesting model for D?


-- 
Bruno Medeiros
https://twitter.com/brunodomedeiros
Aug 12 2015
parent reply "Adam D. Ruppe" <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 12 August 2015 at 18:19:48 UTC, Bruno Medeiros 
wrote:

 Actually, it seems BountySource is experimenting with a monthly 
 payment model: https://salt.bountysource.com/
 Invite only at the moment, but I think you can submit request 
 if you are the project leader.


Interesting, they seem to recognize the problems I have with 
their main service... perhaps they can become the patreon of open 
source if they pull this off.
Aug 12 2015
parent "Tofu Ninja" <emmons0 purdue.edu> writes:
On Thursday, 13 August 2015 at 00:22:05 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 On Wednesday, 12 August 2015 at 18:19:48 UTC, Bruno Medeiros 
 wrote:

 Actually, it seems BountySource is experimenting with a 
 monthly payment model: https://salt.bountysource.com/
 Invite only at the moment, but I think you can submit request 
 if you are the project leader.


 Interesting, they seem to recognize the problems I have with 
 their main service... perhaps they can become the patreon of 
 open source if they pull this off.


This is actually really cool, D needs to see if it can get on 
this.
Andrei! Get on this! I want to give D money!
Aug 12 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 8/9/15 5:15 AM, ref2401 wrote:

 Does the fund exist?
 Are there sponsors?
 How can one donate some money to D?


There will be a possibility with the D Language Foundation, hopefully by 
the end of this year. -- Andrei
Aug 09 2015
next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 8/9/2015 6:52 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There will be a possibility with the D Language Foundation, hopefully by the
end
 of this year. -- Andrei


Looking forward to it. We can also use the foundation to sell some D swag so 
that people will get something for their donation. After all, nothing is cooler 
than wearing a D t-shirt to a C++/Java/Go/Rust convention!
Aug 09 2015
next sibling parent reply "Jonathan M Davis" <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:
On Monday, 10 August 2015 at 01:34:24 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 8/9/2015 6:52 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There will be a possibility with the D Language Foundation, 
 hopefully by the end
 of this year. -- Andrei


 Looking forward to it. We can also use the foundation to sell 
 some D swag so that people will get something for their 
 donation. After all, nothing is cooler than wearing a D t-shirt 
 to a C++/Java/Go/Rust convention!


Are you one of those guys who wears a Star Trek t-shirt to a Star 
Wars convention (or vice versa)? ;)

- Jonathan M Davis
Aug 10 2015
next sibling parent "Nicholas Wilson" <iamthewilsonator hotmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 10 August 2015 at 13:44:17 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

 On Monday, 10 August 2015 at 01:34:24 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 8/9/2015 6:52 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There will be a possibility with the D Language Foundation, 
 hopefully by the end
 of this year. -- Andrei


 Looking forward to it. We can also use the foundation to sell 
 some D swag so that people will get something for their 
 donation. After all, nothing is cooler than wearing a D 
 t-shirt to a C++/Java/Go/Rust convention!


 Are you one of those guys who wears a Star Trek t-shirt to a 
 Star Wars convention (or vice versa)? ;)

 - Jonathan M Davis


You mean to say you're not? Gasp!
Aug 10 2015
prev sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 8/10/2015 6:44 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

 Are you one of those guys who wears a Star Trek t-shirt to a Star Wars
 convention (or vice versa)? ;)


If Luke and Kirk would only put aside their differences.
Aug 10 2015
prev sibling parent reply "vladde" <v vladde.net> writes:
On Monday, 10 August 2015 at 01:34:24 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 8/9/2015 6:52 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There will be a possibility with the D Language Foundation, 
 hopefully by the end
 of this year. -- Andrei


 Looking forward to it. We can also use the foundation to sell 
 some D swag so that people will get something for their 
 donation. After all, nothing is cooler than wearing a D t-shirt 
 to a C++/Java/Go/Rust convention!


Will the swag feature http://dlangcomicstrips.tumblr.com/ ?
Aug 10 2015
next sibling parent reply "Tofu Ninja" <emmons0 purdue.edu> writes:
On Monday, 10 August 2015 at 16:58:15 UTC, vladde wrote:

 On Monday, 10 August 2015 at 01:34:24 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 8/9/2015 6:52 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There will be a possibility with the D Language Foundation, 
 hopefully by the end
 of this year. -- Andrei


 Looking forward to it. We can also use the foundation to sell 
 some D swag so that people will get something for their 
 donation. After all, nothing is cooler than wearing a D 
 t-shirt to a C++/Java/Go/Rust convention!


 Will the swag feature http://dlangcomicstrips.tumblr.com/ ?


Lol Wtf who makes those? They are hilarious!
Aug 10 2015
next sibling parent "H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d" <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 05:00:38PM +0000, Tofu Ninja via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On Monday, 10 August 2015 at 16:58:15 UTC, vladde wrote:

On Monday, 10 August 2015 at 01:34:24 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

On 8/9/2015 6:52 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

There will be a possibility with the D Language Foundation,
hopefully by the end of this year. -- Andrei


Looking forward to it. We can also use the foundation to sell some D
swag so that people will get something for their donation. After
all, nothing is cooler than wearing a D t-shirt to a
C++/Java/Go/Rust convention!


Will the swag feature http://dlangcomicstrips.tumblr.com/ ?


 
 Lol Wtf who makes those? They are hilarious!


Totally hilarious. I wan moar! ;-)


T

-- 
The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.
Aug 10 2015
prev sibling parent Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On 08/10/2015 01:00 PM, Tofu Ninja wrote:

 On Monday, 10 August 2015 at 16:58:15 UTC, vladde wrote:

 Will the swag feature http://dlangcomicstrips.tumblr.com/ ?


 Lol Wtf who makes those? They are hilarious!


I love the AliasSeq one!
Aug 14 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 8/10/2015 9:58 AM, vladde wrote:

 Will the swag feature http://dlangcomicstrips.tumblr.com/ ?


Why didn't I know about that? Pretty dazz!

(Who drew them? Keep 'em coming!)
Aug 10 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent ketmar <ketmar ketmar.no-ip.org> writes:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:58:13 +0000, vladde wrote:


 Will the swag feature http://dlangcomicstrips.tumblr.com/ ?


you told them about our little secret! how dare you?!.

p.s. no, i'm not the author.=
Aug 11 2015
prev sibling parent Rikki Cattermole <alphaglosined gmail.com> writes:
On 11/08/2015 4:58 a.m., vladde wrote:

 On Monday, 10 August 2015 at 01:34:24 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 8/9/2015 6:52 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There will be a possibility with the D Language Foundation, hopefully
 by the end
 of this year. -- Andrei


 Looking forward to it. We can also use the foundation to sell some D
 swag so that people will get something for their donation. After all,
 nothing is cooler than wearing a D t-shirt to a C++/Java/Go/Rust
 convention!


 Will the swag feature http://dlangcomicstrips.tumblr.com/ ?


Yeah who is making them?
I'd love to add them as part of my stream!
Aug 11 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Tofu Ninja" <emmons0 purdue.edu> writes:
On Sunday, 9 August 2015 at 13:52:17 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:

 On 8/9/15 5:15 AM, ref2401 wrote:

 Does the fund exist?
 Are there sponsors?
 How can one donate some money to D?


 There will be a possibility with the D Language Foundation, 
 hopefully by the end of this year. -- Andrei


What exactly will any funds the D foundation gets be used for? 
Would be great if D could have full time paid devs working on it.
Aug 10 2015
next sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 8/10/15 1:10 PM, Tofu Ninja wrote:

 On Sunday, 9 August 2015 at 13:52:17 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 8/9/15 5:15 AM, ref2401 wrote:

 Does the fund exist?
 Are there sponsors?
 How can one donate some money to D?


 There will be a possibility with the D Language Foundation, hopefully
 by the end of this year. -- Andrei


 What exactly will any funds the D foundation gets be used for? Would be
 great if D could have full time paid devs working on it.


Straight development plus minding releases, organizing DConf, website, 
media, PR, and more. -- Andrei
Aug 10 2015
next sibling parent "jmh530" <john.michael.hall gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 10 August 2015 at 20:28:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:

 Straight development plus minding releases, organizing DConf, 
 website, media, PR, and more. -- Andrei


May I suggest copying some of what Boost does on their donate 
page (monthly recurring donations, esp.). I also like pypy's 
approach of having a call for donations for specific projects and 
showing the progress (you'd probably want to start small though).
Aug 10 2015
prev sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2015-08-10 22:28, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:


 Straight development plus minding releases, organizing DConf, website,
 media, PR, and more. -- Andrei


I suggest that the foundation also owns all infrastructure, accounts and 
similar as much as possible. This is to avoid that a single person has 
this information and then leaves.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Aug 12 2015
prev sibling parent reply Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On 08/10/2015 01:10 PM, Tofu Ninja wrote:

 Would be
 great if D could have full time paid devs working on it.


Totally. That would be a dream job  _
Aug 11 2015
parent reply "Tofu Ninja" <emmons0 purdue.edu> writes:
On Tuesday, 11 August 2015 at 14:26:45 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 On 08/10/2015 01:10 PM, Tofu Ninja wrote:

 Would be
 great if D could have full time paid devs working on it.


 Totally. That would be a dream job  _ 


I know right, where can I apply?
Aug 11 2015
parent Rikki Cattermole <alphaglosined gmail.com> writes:
On 12/08/2015 4:18 a.m., Tofu Ninja wrote:

 On Tuesday, 11 August 2015 at 14:26:45 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 On 08/10/2015 01:10 PM, Tofu Ninja wrote:

 Would be
 great if D could have full time paid devs working on it.


 Totally. That would be a dream job  _ 


 I know right, where can I apply?


And I'm here saying, hey get me partnership on livecoding.tv. I only 
have to earn a few hundred a week and you would have me :)
Most likely a full time streamer. Imagine the promotion we would get to 
new developers alone. Must make it worth it.
Aug 11 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "Etienne Cimon" <etcimon gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 9 August 2015 at 09:15:16 UTC, ref2401 wrote:

 Does the fund exist?
 Are there sponsors?
 How can one donate some money to D?


Ask a D developer you appreciate (in private) to give you his 
paypal/email, and pay him directly like he's a musician on the 
side of the road. He will be motivated by this simple gesture of 
receiving the few dollars, his happiness is going to reflect 
through his open source work, and the D community will benefit as 
a whole. It would probably help if D developers put a donations 
paypal link on their README.md, but I think most people have such 
a grim outlook on making money from the open source work, that 
they don't even take the time to put that link on there.
Aug 09 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Adam D. Ruppe" <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
Something I've been pondering for some time that could 
materialize a lot faster than the D foundation would be something 
like a kickstarter for me personally.

If I could raise about $15,000 in the short term - a large sum of 
money, I admit - I could take a three month break from my day job 
and focus on D things; likely my own libraries (i'd like to 
finish the minigui and simple game bits especially) as well as 
documentation things, but maybe some bug fixes and perhaps 
phobos/druntime bits too if there's enough demand.

I actually have a bit of an urge to write D documentation and 
tutorials, but that's actually even more time consuming than 
code, and less beneficial to me personally! (i already know the 
stuff i'd be documenting so it doesn't directly benefit me, 
whereas the code is something I can at least use myself)

Three months isn't enough to change the D world, but with the day 
job on hold, it would be enough time to realistically achieve 
some useful, if modest, goals, like finishing some small 
libraries or a tutorial set.



But I'm also hesitant to do it for a few reasons, chief among 
them being that it would take a large sum to actually warrant 
taking time off work... and without time off work, I don't really 
have the time to do this, and secondly that I would prefer to do 
the code my way still.

however, would any of you be interested in that kind of thing?
Aug 10 2015
parent Rikki Cattermole <alphaglosined gmail.com> writes:
On 11/08/2015 11:55 a.m., Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 Something I've been pondering for some time that could materialize a lot
 faster than the D foundation would be something like a kickstarter for
 me personally.

 If I could raise about $15,000 in the short term - a large sum of money,
 I admit - I could take a three month break from my day job and focus on
 D things; likely my own libraries (i'd like to finish the minigui and
 simple game bits especially) as well as documentation things, but maybe
 some bug fixes and perhaps phobos/druntime bits too if there's enough
 demand.

 I actually have a bit of an urge to write D documentation and tutorials,
 but that's actually even more time consuming than code, and less
 beneficial to me personally! (i already know the stuff i'd be
 documenting so it doesn't directly benefit me, whereas the code is
 something I can at least use myself)

 Three months isn't enough to change the D world, but with the day job on
 hold, it would be enough time to realistically achieve some useful, if
 modest, goals, like finishing some small libraries or a tutorial set.



 But I'm also hesitant to do it for a few reasons, chief among them being
 that it would take a large sum to actually warrant taking time off
 work... and without time off work, I don't really have the time to do
 this, and secondly that I would prefer to do the code my way still.

 however, would any of you be interested in that kind of thing?


I suggested support via donation/subscribing to live streamers. Nobody 
even commented :/

Okay there is only two of us currently doing it but.. hey publicity + D 
code written. Would be great to get D core devs doing it and earning 
some money at the same time.
Aug 10 2015