• =?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" (29/29) Nov 08 2013 Hello there,
• Walter Bright (4/6) Nov 08 2013 Actually, your english is excellent.
• =?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" (6/9) Nov 08 2013 Thank you :). In fact I hopped that there was some
• eles (2/8) Nov 08 2013 Moi.
• =?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" (3/4) Nov 08 2013 Please subscribe the forum / send me an email / add me on jabber
• Olivier Pisano (2/12) Nov 10 2013 Moi aussi.
• Namespace (1/1) Nov 08 2013 I still hope for a German community ... :(
• Paulo Pinto (2/3) Nov 08 2013 Portuguese living in Düsseldorf that can speak German? :)
• Namespace (2/5) Nov 08 2013 That's a start! Ich wohne in Hamburg. ;)
• deadalnix (4/5) Nov 08 2013 They are so much D fan there that they put stickers on their cars
• Namespace (3/8) Nov 08 2013 Don't worry, it's not your fault.
• sclytrack (4/9) Nov 08 2013 Je crois ça va être difficile de trouver des gens qui se sont
• =?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" (5/7) Nov 08 2013 Si nous nous réunissons et que nous produisons des ressources en
• Graham Fawcett (7/15) Nov 08 2013 I don't know, D seems to have a very diverse and well-educated
• Jonathan M Davis (3/5) Nov 08 2013 Il y en a plusieurs ici. Ils existent!
• Timothee Cour (5/10) Nov 08 2013 french as well (although living in US).
• SomeDude (2/3) Nov 09 2013 +1 !
• Philippe Sigaud (10/23) Nov 08 2013 French here also. I'll have a look at this forum!
• John J (3/4) Nov 08 2013 Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' into French,
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (21/26) Nov 08 2013 I've still not translated the chapter about template so I have not
• Andrei Alexandrescu (3/24) Nov 08 2013 morceau?
• matovitch (7/46) Nov 09 2013 I like better "tranche". "Template" is commonly used for C++. If
• Jacob Carlborg (6/12) Nov 09 2013 There's a glossary for abbreviations like these. Unfortunately
• matovitch (8/20) Nov 09 2013 Thanks. I forked the D template tutorial of Philipp Sigaud to
• Philippe Sigaud (3/9) Nov 09 2013 Merci Camille. That'll be strange to see my own text translated into
• Jonathan M Davis (32/59) Nov 09 2013 out
• matovitch (4/67) Nov 09 2013 "Intervalle" ?
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (44/102) Nov 09 2013 I think the translation for "range" in French is "intervalle". It is
• Andrei Alexandrescu (3/69) Nov 09 2013 There's also "coupe".
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (6/11) Nov 09 2013 "coupe" is great, I like it. With "tranche", I can't help thinking about...
• SomeDude (3/19) Nov 09 2013 I think coupe is really cut (or section as you say), while
• deadalnix (9/23) Nov 09 2013 It is good, because this is what a slice is in english :D Tranche
• monarch_dodra (29/43) Nov 09 2013 French myself too, but I consider myself part of the English
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (22/62) Nov 09 2013 Same problem in English, you need to remember the meaning of each word.
• =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= (13/16) Nov 09 2013 On 11/09/2013 01:56 AM, monarch_dodra wrote:
• SomeDude (4/10) Nov 09 2013 Heap = tas
• Jacob Carlborg (15/32) Nov 09 2013 I can tell you that when I talk about programming or computers in
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (19/48) Nov 09 2013 We surely would get the same kind of reaction for "tranche" in French.
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (2/3) Nov 09 2013 who*
• Jacob Carlborg (32/52) Nov 09 2013 Slices happen to be bit different in every language. A slice in D
• =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= (7/13) Nov 09 2013 The funny thing is, the English words like "slice" and "stream" make
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (2/15) Nov 09 2013
• deadalnix (14/46) Nov 09 2013 When it come to translation, I have to pull my secret card, my
• Jacob Carlborg (12/26) Nov 09 2013 It sounds strange to translate a keyword. If I put it like this,
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (9/35) Nov 09 2013 Yes, it makes sense. I thought about it and got to the same conclusion
• Jacob Carlborg (5/13) Nov 09 2013 Sounds good. I like the idea of putting the English word in the
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (5/20) Nov 09 2013 For templates, the English word is so widespread and "Modèle" (maybe
• SomeDude (6/10) Nov 09 2013 And modèle isn't even a widely accepted translation. I have seen
• Jacob Carlborg (4/9) Nov 10 2013 That sounds like generics. Templates is one way to implement generics.
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (2/14) Nov 10 2013 I like this. This is to be considered.
• Olivier Pisano (8/19) Nov 10 2013 Most of the time, templates are translated as "templates". I
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (18/23) Nov 10 2013 I agree for "patron", which is mostly for geometry and can be confused
• Philippe Sigaud (7/33) Nov 09 2013 That seems OK.
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (5/31) Nov 09 2013 To be considered :-)
• Joseph Rushton Wakeling (4/8) Nov 09 2013 Non-native French speaker here, but I also think "tranche" makes most se...
• Graham Fawcett (14/23) Nov 09 2013 "Tranche" seems better to me, because the translation is so
• SomeDude (5/17) Nov 09 2013 Pareil.
• =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= (19/27) Nov 09 2013 Like almost everything else about natural languages, translation is a
• =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= (4/5) Nov 09 2013 Correcting myself: I think it is actually orthographic transcription,
• Joseph Rushton Wakeling (3/7) Nov 09 2013 Welsh is great for this: for example, cinema, taxi and ambulance are ren...
• =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= (4/6) Nov 09 2013 Good stuff! We should all get together and share these stories over
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (9/36) Nov 09 2013 I didn't know this word. My dictionary ("Le Petit Larousse 2006") only
• eles (7/12) Nov 11 2013 In Switzerland, it came from German (and, maybe, in Turkish too):
• Philippe Sigaud (3/9) Nov 09 2013 Not the keyword, but the, er, concept, the idea that you can write 'code
• Jacob Carlborg (7/11) Nov 09 2013 Range is just a concept. There's nothing in D that you can point
• Paulo Pinto (16/21) Nov 09 2013 It is a cultural thing, so whoever is translating needs to be aware how
• Philippe Sigaud (6/12) Nov 09 2013 I remember having friends coming from North Africa and speaking among
• Joseph Rushton Wakeling (13/17) Nov 09 2013 It's a consequence of the history of the education system -- with Arabic...
• Jacob Carlborg (4/8) Nov 09 2013 Isn't English the official language in India, or one of them?
• Joseph Rushton Wakeling (3/4) Nov 09 2013 One of them, yes. As I understand it has particular use as a common lan...
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (11/14) Nov 08 2013 I've been really quiet about it and only Ali and some of my friends knew...
• =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= (5/6) Nov 08 2013 "Programming in D" is currently being translated to French. I will ping
• =?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" (3/11) Nov 08 2013 Good news !
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (18/32) Nov 08 2013 Hello everybody,
• =?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" (4/17) Nov 09 2013 It would be great to publish your work on dlang-fr !
• Jonathan M Davis (9/13) Nov 08 2013 I'm not French, but I lived in France and the French-speaking part of
• Philippe Sigaud (6/22) Nov 08 2013 Sure. And the discussions are too interesting here :-)
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (8/16) Nov 08 2013 I've been taught OCaml (to introduce functional programming) and C at
• Paulo Pinto (9/22) Nov 09 2013 Actually I find very positive that people get introduced to ML family of...
• =?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" (4/10) Nov 09 2013 It would be great if you could subscribe the french forum and
• =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= (2/13) Nov 09 2013 I should send you an email in the afternoon, or as soon as possible ;-)
• deadalnix (14/41) Nov 09 2013 I went throws OCaml when studying. It has to be noted that I
• Paulo Pinto (12/53) Nov 10 2013 I see, we had quite a good selection of languages in the university.
• Xavier Bigand (2/29) Nov 09 2013 French here
• Michel Fortin (18/32) Nov 09 2013 Wouldn't it be better to concentrate efforts on making the official D
• =?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" (10/14) Nov 09 2013 Well, dlang.org is a very good reference website, but as a
• Joseph Rushton Wakeling (2/5) Nov 09 2013 Raises a good point: how can one reliably provide multilingual DDoc?
• Michel Fortin (25/31) Nov 09 2013 Well, there are two kinds of DDoc. Whole pages and symbol descriptions.
• Walter Bright (3/8) Nov 09 2013 I want to point out that all the dlang.org pages have a "Translate" butt...
• deadalnix (3/16) Nov 09 2013 The french one is a giant KAMOULOX. Quite hilarious, but not
• deadalnix (4/8) Nov 09 2013 The french translation of the site is hillarious right now. The
• Michel Fortin (26/35) Nov 10 2013 I tried it. It's a useless gimmick. I've said so many years ago. I'd
• =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= (4/6) Nov 10 2013 +1 Here is mine:
• Joseph Rushton Wakeling (13/23) Nov 09 2013 Si j'ai bien compris, il existe un deuxième génération du logiciel de...
• =?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" (4/16) Nov 09 2013 Didn't know.
• Joseph Rushton Wakeling (2/5) Nov 09 2013 My point in a nutshell. :-)
• =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= (3/10) Nov 10 2013 Prizeless! ;)
• Joseph Rushton Wakeling (2/5) Nov 09 2013 Really, where? I lived in Fribourg for several years at about the same ...
• Paulo Pinto (2/9) Nov 09 2013 Me too! January 2003 - December 2004 in Geneva. :)
• Jonathan M Davis (26/33) Nov 09 2013 bout 10
• Joseph Rushton Wakeling (8/10) Nov 10 2013 Yea, I often get the same feeling, though more often with city names tha...

=?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" <munrek gmx.com> writes:

Hello there,

I am a French student who discovered D about a year ago. I used 
it for a few personal projects, and I really enjoyed it as a 
great tool to make powerful native-apps easily.

Unfortunaly, finding resources in french on the web is near 
impossible, and I think this is a real problem for the language 
to expand ( in terms of new users, and activity ). Another 
problem is that there is no french community to exchange and 
promote it, so I decided to create a french-speaking website with 
resources and forums.

http://dlang-fr.org/
http://forum.dlang-fr.org/

There is also a chan on freenode : #d-fr

Actually the server and the services are running, and are just 
waiting for people :)

My main goal is promoting and translating resources about the 
technology ( library reference, tutorials, and maybe ali's book ? 
), and maintain a great place to start for all the beginners in 
programming, and also a great exchange spot for more experienced 
programmers.

What we need now is nice and motivated guys to help me building 
the resources and organizating about future translations. If you 
speak french you are of course welcome to come ; even just 
exchanging on the forum would be a great help for us.

I think D worth spreading, and so I hope this will be helpful.

Please excuse my awful english, this is not my native language ( 
well this is not a reason, I'm just bad ).

Regards,
Théo.

Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:

On 11/8/2013 12:21 PM, "Théo B" <munrek gmx.com>" wrote:
 Please excuse my awful english, this is not my native language ( well this is
 not a reason, I'm just bad ).

Actually, your english is excellent.

It's a great thing you're doing creating a french language D site. You'll need 
to do some regular promotion of it (not just a single posting, here).

=?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" <munrek gmx.com> writes:

On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 20:57:21 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 It's a great thing you're doing creating a french language D 
 site. You'll need to do some regular promotion of it (not just 
 a single posting, here).

Thank you :). In fact I hopped that there was some 
french-speaking users here to help me begin. Sure I will make 
posts on other sites, and also IRL.

If somebody want to contact me, mail me or feel free to add me on 
jabber : munrek galif.eu

"eles" <eles eles.com> writes:

On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 21:44:50 UTC, Théo B wrote:
 On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 20:57:21 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 It's a great thing you're doing creating a french language D 
 site. You'll need to do some regular promotion of it (not just 
 a single posting, here).

 Thank you :). In fact I hopped that there was some 
 french-speaking users here

Moi.

=?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" <munrek gmx.com> writes:

On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 22:57:55 UTC, eles wrote:
 Moi.

Please subscribe the forum / send me an email / add me on jabber 
so that I can contact you :)

"Olivier Pisano" <olivier.pisano laposte.net> writes:

On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 22:57:55 UTC, eles wrote:
 On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 21:44:50 UTC, Théo B wrote:
 On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 20:57:21 UTC, Walter Bright 
 wrote:
 It's a great thing you're doing creating a french language D 
 site. You'll need to do some regular promotion of it (not 
 just a single posting, here).

 Thank you :). In fact I hopped that there was some 
 french-speaking users here

 Moi.

Moi aussi.

"Namespace" <rswhite4 googlemail.com> writes:

I still hope for a German community ... :(

Paulo Pinto <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:

Am 08.11.2013 22:53, schrieb Namespace:
 I still hope for a German community ... :(

Portuguese living in Düsseldorf that can speak German? :)

"Namespace" <rswhite4 googlemail.com> writes:

On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 23:28:52 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
 Am 08.11.2013 22:53, schrieb Namespace:
 I still hope for a German community ... :(

 Portuguese living in Düsseldorf that can speak German? :)

That's a start! Ich wohne in Hamburg. ;)

"deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:

On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 21:53:18 UTC, Namespace wrote:
 I still hope for a German community ... :(

They are so much D fan there that they put stickers on their cars 
!

BTW, I'm french.

"Namespace" <rswhite4 googlemail.com> writes:

On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 23:31:44 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 21:53:18 UTC, Namespace wrote:
 I still hope for a German community ... :(

 They are so much D fan there that they put stickers on their 
 cars !

 BTW, I'm french.

Don't worry, it's not your fault.
Just kidding. :)

"sclytrack" <sclytrack sleepy.com> writes:

On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 23:31:44 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 21:53:18 UTC, Namespace wrote:
 I still hope for a German community ... :(

 They are so much D fan there that they put stickers on their 
 cars !


Je crois ça va être difficile de trouver des gens qui se sont 
intéressés en D et qui savent parler français en même temps.

 BTW, I'm french.

You guys have the hottest female singer in the world.

=?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" <munrek gmx.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 00:02:04 UTC, sclytrack wrote:
 Je crois ça va être difficile de trouver des gens qui se sont 
 intéressés en D et qui savent parler français en même temps.

Si nous nous réunissons et que nous produisons des ressources en 
français, la communauté ne peut que grandir :)

If we meet and if we make great resources in French, the 
community will grow up naturally.

"Graham Fawcett" <fawcett uwindsor.ca> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 00:02:04 UTC, sclytrack wrote:
 On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 23:31:44 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 21:53:18 UTC, Namespace wrote:
 I still hope for a German community ... :(

 They are so much D fan there that they put stickers on their 
 cars !


 Je crois ça va être difficile de trouver des gens qui se sont 
 intéressés en D et qui savent parler français en même temps.

I don't know, D seems to have a very diverse and well-educated 
community.

I would enjoy reading interesting D discussions/articles in 
French. Just don't ask me to write any. :)

Bien amicalement,
Graham

"Jonathan M Davis" <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:

On Saturday, November 09, 2013 01:02:03 sclytrack wrote:
 Je crois ça va être difficile de trouver des gens qui se sont
 intéressés en D et qui savent parler français en même temps.

Il y en a plusieurs ici. Ils existent!

- Jonathan M Davis

Timothee Cour <thelastmammoth gmail.com> writes:

french as well (although living in US).
A great start would be lobbying so that they teach D in French Engineering
schools ... instead of ocaml.
I'll probably stick mostly to US forums though to avoid splitting.


2013/11/8 Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com>

 On Saturday, November 09, 2013 01:02:03 sclytrack wrote:
 Je crois =E7a va =EAtre difficile de trouver des gens qui se sont
 int=E9ress=E9s en D et qui savent parler fran=E7ais en m=EAme temps.

 Il y en a plusieurs ici. Ils existent!

 - Jonathan M Davis

"SomeDude" <lovelydear mailmetrash.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 04:16:57 UTC, Timothee Cour wrote:
 french as well (although living in US).

+1 !

Philippe Sigaud <philippe.sigaud gmail.com> writes:

French here also. I'll have a look at this forum!

As for Ali's book in French, I didn't know there was any translating being
done. Can we help? Are there any similar processes for other languages?

I now realize that I've never even *thought* about D in French, and I've
been using D since 2008. I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.



On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Timothee Cour <thelastmammoth gmail.com>wro=
te:

 french as well (although living in US).
 A great start would be lobbying so that they teach D in French Engineerin=

g
 schools ... instead of ocaml.
 I'll probably stick mostly to US forums though to avoid splitting.


 2013/11/8 Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com>

 On Saturday, November 09, 2013 01:02:03 sclytrack wrote:
 Je crois =C3=A7a va =C3=AAtre difficile de trouver des gens qui se son=



t
 int=C3=A9ress=C3=A9s en D et qui savent parler fran=C3=A7ais en m=C3=



=AAme temps.
 Il y en a plusieurs ici. Ils existent!

 - Jonathan M Davis

John J <john.joyus gmail.com> writes:

On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
 I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.

Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' into French, 
for that matter into any other language?

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 08:21, John J a écrit :
 On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
 I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.

 Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' into French,
 for that matter into any other language?

I've still not translated the chapter about template so I have not 
decided anything yet.

My guideline is to translate everything (I hate speaking/reading about 
computer science with people who use three English works by French 
sentance) and give the English counterpart the first time to be able to 
find help in the English world.

Also, using French words when speaking about computer science helps 
speaking about computer science with people who are not into it, I'm 
really attached to this.

The French translation for template is "modèle", I think I'll use this 
one. I'm okay with also giving the English "template" in my translation, 
but not use it (If somebody disagrees, I'm open to talk)

I had a really hard time translating "slice". I opted for "tranche". 
That can sound weird but what "slice" really means, unless I am 
mistaken. If somebody has a better translation, please suggest!
I'm absolutely not comfortable with "une slice" or "un slice". Some 
French people will pronounce the "i"  "i", some other will pronounce it 
"aïe". That's not neat and that will not ease the reading of the 
translation.

Raphaël.

Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:

On 11/8/13 11:43 PM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 Le 09/11/2013 08:21, John J a écrit :
 On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
 I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.

 Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' into French,
 for that matter into any other language?

 I've still not translated the chapter about template so I have not
 decided anything yet.

 My guideline is to translate everything (I hate speaking/reading about
 computer science with people who use three English works by French
 sentance) and give the English counterpart the first time to be able to
 find help in the English world.

 Also, using French words when speaking about computer science helps
 speaking about computer science with people who are not into it, I'm
 really attached to this.

 The French translation for template is "modèle", I think I'll use this
 one. I'm okay with also giving the English "template" in my translation,
 but not use it (If somebody disagrees, I'm open to talk)

 I had a really hard time translating "slice". I opted for "tranche".

morceau?

Andrei

"matovitch" <camille.brugel laposte.net> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 07:51:16 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
 On 11/8/13 11:43 PM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 Le 09/11/2013 08:21, John J a écrit :
 On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
 I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.

 Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' 
 into French,
 for that matter into any other language?

 I've still not translated the chapter about template so I have 
 not
 decided anything yet.

 My guideline is to translate everything (I hate 
 speaking/reading about
 computer science with people who use three English works by 
 French
 sentance) and give the English counterpart the first time to 
 be able to
 find help in the English world.

 Also, using French words when speaking about computer science 
 helps
 speaking about computer science with people who are not into 
 it, I'm
 really attached to this.

 The French translation for template is "modèle", I think I'll 
 use this
 one. I'm okay with also giving the English "template" in my 
 translation,
 but not use it (If somebody disagrees, I'm open to talk)

 I had a really hard time translating "slice". I opted for 
 "tranche".

 morceau?

 Andrei

I like better "tranche". "Template" is commonly used for C++. If 
there is any translation project, please make a github repo and 
give us the link. I didn't do much D and some notions remains 
fuzzy in my head (like UDAs)...this could be a motivation to 
"d"ive into the (not so) numerous english ressources.

"Jacob Carlborg" <doob me.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 08:12:45 UTC, matovitch wrote:

 I like better "tranche". "Template" is commonly used for C++. 
 If there is any translation project, please make a github repo 
 and give us the link. I didn't do much D and some notions 
 remains fuzzy in my head (like UDAs)...this could be a 
 motivation to "d"ive into the (not so) numerous english 
 ressources.

There's a glossary for abbreviations like these. Unfortunately 
UDA is not included:

http://dlang.org/glossary.html

--
/Jacob Carlborg

"matovitch" <camille.brugel laposte.net> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:08:13 UTC, Jacob Carlborg 
wrote:
 On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 08:12:45 UTC, matovitch wrote:

 I like better "tranche". "Template" is commonly used for C++. 
 If there is any translation project, please make a github repo 
 and give us the link. I didn't do much D and some notions 
 remains fuzzy in my head (like UDAs)...this could be a 
 motivation to "d"ive into the (not so) numerous english 
 ressources.

 There's a glossary for abbreviations like these. Unfortunately 
 UDA is not included:

 http://dlang.org/glossary.html

 --
 /Jacob Carlborg

Thanks. I forked the D template tutorial of Philipp Sigaud to 
start a french translation : 
https://github.com/matovitch/D-templates-tutorial. Feel free to 
clone ! :-)

Templates are a strong features of D and I think they deserve to 
be promoted.

Philippe Sigaud <philippe.sigaud gmail.com> writes:

On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 11:31 AM, matovitch <camille.brugel laposte.net>wrote:


 Thanks. I forked the D template tutorial of Philipp Sigaud to start a
 french translation : https://github.com/matovitch/D-templates-tutorial.
 Feel free to clone ! :-)

 Templates are a strong features of D and I think they deserve to be
 promoted.

 Merci Camille. That'll be strange to see my own text translated into
French :)

Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:

On Friday, November 08, 2013 23:51:16 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 11/8/13 11:43 PM, Rapha=C3=ABl Jakse wrote:
 Le 09/11/2013 08:21, John J a =C3=A9crit :
 On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
 I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.

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"matovitch" <camille.brugel laposte.net> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 08:32:24 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
wrote:
 On Friday, November 08, 2013 23:51:16 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 11/8/13 11:43 PM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 Le 09/11/2013 08:21, John J a écrit :
 On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
 I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.

 
 Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' 
 into French,
 for that matter into any other language?

 
 I've still not translated the chapter about template so I 
 have not
 decided anything yet.
 
 My guideline is to translate everything (I hate 
 speaking/reading about
 computer science with people who use three English works by 
 French
 sentance) and give the English counterpart the first time to 
 be able to
 find help in the English world.
 
 Also, using French words when speaking about computer 
 science helps
 speaking about computer science with people who are not into 
 it, I'm
 really attached to this.
 
 The French translation for template is "modèle", I think 
 I'll use this
 one. I'm okay with also giving the English "template" in my 
 translation,
 but not use it (If somebody disagrees, I'm open to talk)
 
 I had a really hard time translating "slice". I opted for 
 "tranche".

 
 morceau?

 I suppose that that would work, but I believe that tranche 
 would be the more
 direct translation (certainly, it's what's used when talking 
 about slices of
 bread). However, I don't know if there's another word that 
 happens to have
 more accurate connotations in this case.

 Given French's more limited vocabulary and resistance to adding 
 new words,
 translating technical terms has got to be a royal pain (and 
 then L'Académie
 Française gets ticked when folks use English words for new 
 stuff). I had my
 desktop in French for a while at one point, which definitely 
 improved my
 vocabulary. For better or worse, a lot of technical words seem 
 to get
 translated very literally, which gets interesting sometimes 
 (particularly when
 there doesn't seem to really be a direct translation 
 available). But I expect
 that it's often the same in other languages, though maybe some 
 of them are
 more open to just using the English word.

 - Jonathan M Davis

"Intervalle" ?
What about the range translation ?

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 09:53, matovitch a écrit :
 On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 08:32:24 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
 On Friday, November 08, 2013 23:51:16 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 11/8/13 11:43 PM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 Le 09/11/2013 08:21, John J a écrit :
 On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
 I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.
 Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' >>




 into French,
 for that matter into any other language?
 I've still not translated the chapter about template so I > have not

 decided anything yet.
 My guideline is to translate everything (I hate >


 speaking/reading about
 computer science with people who use three English works by > French
 sentance) and give the English counterpart the first time to > be

 able to
 find help in the English world.
 Also, using French words when speaking about computer > science


 helps
 speaking about computer science with people who are not into > it, I'm
 really attached to this.
 The French translation for template is "modèle", I think > I'll


 use this
 one. I'm okay with also giving the English "template" in my >

 translation,
 but not use it (If somebody disagrees, I'm open to talk)
 I had a really hard time translating "slice". I opted for >


 "tranche".

 morceau?

 I suppose that that would work, but I believe that tranche would be
 the more
 direct translation (certainly, it's what's used when talking about
 slices of
 bread). However, I don't know if there's another word that happens to
 have
 more accurate connotations in this case.

 Given French's more limited vocabulary and resistance to adding new
 words,
 translating technical terms has got to be a royal pain (and then
 L'Académie
 Française gets ticked when folks use English words for new stuff). I
 had my
 desktop in French for a while at one point, which definitely improved my
 vocabulary. For better or worse, a lot of technical words seem to get
 translated very literally, which gets interesting sometimes
 (particularly when
 there doesn't seem to really be a direct translation available). But I
 expect
 that it's often the same in other languages, though maybe some of them
 are
 more open to just using the English word.

 - Jonathan M Davis

 "Intervalle" ?
 What about the range translation ?

I think the translation for "range" in French is "intervalle". It is 
what I chose for Ali's book.

tranche seems more undertandable to me in this context than "morceau", 
though "morceau" is an interesting option I didn't consider :-).

As for importing new words from English, I'm all into it as far as the 
term is Frenchified and its pronounciation adapted, if no word in French 
is suitable. French people are bad at pronouncing English, and an 
English word that hasn't been adopted widely as is feels weird to me.
I don't know if French has a more limited vocabulary, I don't think so. 
But creation of new words can be less natural in some situations because 
we don't have such mechanisms as taking a noun and use it as a verb 
(like "google"). Verbize nouns (i.e. adding a suitable suffix) could be 
done but it seems less usual in French than in English.

Some technical words have their dedicated French translation but the 
English word is more used as the academic translation seems really too 
weird for many people and make people laugh or not undertand when they 
are used. This is the case for "bitoduc", which is a translation of 
pipeline. French people rather use "pipeline", with the English 
pronounciation or with a Frenchified pronounciation.

"bitoduc" seems to be a numeric analogy to "aqueduc" (a tube, pipe that 
transports water), "gazoduc" (for gas) or "oleoduc" (for petrol) but 
"bitoduc" sounds laughable for many people (likely because "bite", wich 
sound the same as "bit", is a bad word meaning "dick"). "Pipeline" is 
really a French word, so people use it for translating "pipeline" in 
computer science.

I recently discovered http://bitoduc.fr/ for suggestions when 
translating technical word. Some are great, some tend to make people 
laugh or look weird.


The Office québécois de la langue française is the Quebec counterpart of 
the Académie Française and in my humble opinion, is playing a great role 
in the development of the French language. They notably introduced 
"courriel" for "e-mail", "pourriel" for "spam", "clavarder" ("clavier" + 
"bavarder") for chat, but French people just tend to use the English 
word, or don't even know the existence of the French word (this is the 
case for "clavarder", which most French seem to find original, beautiful 
or amusing but don't use. We use "chat", "tchat" or sometimes "discuter 
sur Internet"). I don't know how French speaking Canadian use these 
words, I think they tend to use less anglicisms and be more attached to 
the French language than French people themselves. They even replaced 
the "Stop" sign on roads by a "Arrêt" sign on roads, which French people 
didn't do. However, they also have their own anglicisms (e.g. they 
translate "regular" into "régulier", which has a different meaning in 
French).

Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:

On 11/9/13 1:49 AM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 Le 09/11/2013 09:53, matovitch a écrit :
 On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 08:32:24 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
 On Friday, November 08, 2013 23:51:16 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 11/8/13 11:43 PM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 Le 09/11/2013 08:21, John J a écrit :
 On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
 I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.
 Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' >>




 into French,
 for that matter into any other language?
 I've still not translated the chapter about template so I > have


 not
 decided anything yet.
 My guideline is to translate everything (I hate >


 speaking/reading about
 computer science with people who use three English works by > French
 sentance) and give the English counterpart the first time to > be

 able to
 find help in the English world.
 Also, using French words when speaking about computer > science


 helps
 speaking about computer science with people who are not into > it,

 I'm
 really attached to this.
 The French translation for template is "modèle", I think > I'll


 use this
 one. I'm okay with also giving the English "template" in my >

 translation,
 but not use it (If somebody disagrees, I'm open to talk)
 I had a really hard time translating "slice". I opted for >


 "tranche".

 morceau?

 I suppose that that would work, but I believe that tranche would be
 the more
 direct translation (certainly, it's what's used when talking about
 slices of
 bread). However, I don't know if there's another word that happens to
 have
 more accurate connotations in this case.

 Given French's more limited vocabulary and resistance to adding new
 words,
 translating technical terms has got to be a royal pain (and then
 L'Académie
 Française gets ticked when folks use English words for new stuff). I
 had my
 desktop in French for a while at one point, which definitely improved my
 vocabulary. For better or worse, a lot of technical words seem to get
 translated very literally, which gets interesting sometimes
 (particularly when
 there doesn't seem to really be a direct translation available). But I
 expect
 that it's often the same in other languages, though maybe some of them
 are
 more open to just using the English word.

 - Jonathan M Davis

 "Intervalle" ?
 What about the range translation ?

 I think the translation for "range" in French is "intervalle". It is
 what I chose for Ali's book.

 tranche seems more undertandable to me in this context than "morceau",
 though "morceau" is an interesting option I didn't consider :-).

There's also "coupe".

Andrei

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 16:10, Andrei Alexandrescu a écrit :
 On 11/9/13 1:49 AM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 tranche seems more undertandable to me in this context than "morceau",
 though "morceau" is an interesting option I didn't consider :-).

 There's also "coupe".

"coupe" is great, I like it. With "tranche", I can't help thinking about 
a cake or a pie, even if also applies to bread.

However, "coupe" implies a loss of dimension: we go from 3D to 2D, or 
from 2D to 1D. It's more like "(cross-)section" in English.

What do you think ?

 Andrei

"SomeDude" <lovelydear mailmetrash.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 15:36:08 UTC, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 Le 09/11/2013 16:10, Andrei Alexandrescu a écrit :
 On 11/9/13 1:49 AM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 tranche seems more undertandable to me in this context than 
 "morceau",
 though "morceau" is an interesting option I didn't consider 
 :-).

 There's also "coupe".

 "coupe" is great, I like it. With "tranche", I can't help 
 thinking about a cake or a pie, even if also applies to bread.

 However, "coupe" implies a loss of dimension: we go from 3D to 
 2D, or from 2D to 1D. It's more like "(cross-)section" in 
 English.

 What do you think ?

 Andrei


I think coupe is really cut (or section as you say), while 
tranche is really slice.

"deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 15:36:08 UTC, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 Le 09/11/2013 16:10, Andrei Alexandrescu a écrit :
 On 11/9/13 1:49 AM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 tranche seems more undertandable to me in this context than 
 "morceau",
 though "morceau" is an interesting option I didn't consider 
 :-).

 There's also "coupe".

 "coupe" is great, I like it. With "tranche", I can't help 
 thinking about a cake or a pie, even if also applies to bread.

It is good, because this is what a slice is in english :D Tranche 
is probably the closest term in term of translation.

"Intervale" is also quite good. Especially for those who learnt 
math in french, like a big part of your intended audience will 
probably have.

"coupe" not really, as it refers more to the gap between the 
slice then the slice themselves.

 However, "coupe" implies a loss of dimension: we go from 3D to 
 2D, or from 2D to 1D. It's more like "(cross-)section" in 
 English.

 What do you think ?

Yes. "coupe" is not the right word here.

"monarch_dodra" <monarchdodra gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 08:32:24 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
wrote:
 On Friday, November 08, 2013 23:51:16 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 11/8/13 11:43 PM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 I had a really hard time translating "slice". I opted for 
 "tranche".

 
 morceau?

 I suppose that that would work, but I believe that tranche 
 would be the more
 direct translation (certainly, it's what's used when talking 
 about slices of
 bread). However, I don't know if there's another word that 
 happens to have
 more accurate connotations in this case.

 - Jonathan M Davis

French myself too, but I consider myself part of the English 
community.

My personal feeling is that when it comes to translating 
technical jargon, it is sometimes best to just keep the original 
word, explain/learn what it means, and stick with that.

This is because the "words" are already loaded with more meaning 
than what basic English gives them, for example, 
"range"/"interval". Or "aggregate" or what not. All words with 
very specific meanings in the context of a specific *programming* 
language, that transcends the English language itself.

If you "translate" those words, you are actually creating new 
words, which will require people to associate a new meaning to 
said word, when the original English word was perfectly fine for 
it.

The japanese seemed good at doing these kind of things when I was 
there, talking about things like "regista", or whatnot.

On the contrary, the French seem to like *everything* to get 
translated, to the point where the French themselves get confused 
by the double standard. For example, for "stack"/"heap", the 
French have "tas"/"pile". I'm French myself, and I can never 
remember which is which! Why couldn't they just keep 
"stack"/"heap"?

That's what I feel like anyways. Explaining things in your local 
language is fine, but if technical words get translated, 
oftentimes, you lose more from the loss of the context specific 
definition, then the gain from replacing it with a word in your 
own language, but with no added definition.

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 10:56, monarch_dodra a écrit :
 On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 08:32:24 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
 On Friday, November 08, 2013 23:51:16 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 11/8/13 11:43 PM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 I had a really hard time translating "slice". I opted for > "tranche".

 morceau?

 I suppose that that would work, but I believe that tranche would be
 the more
 direct translation (certainly, it's what's used when talking about
 slices of
 bread). However, I don't know if there's another word that happens to
 have
 more accurate connotations in this case.

 - Jonathan M Davis

 French myself too, but I consider myself part of the English community.

 My personal feeling is that when it comes to translating technical
 jargon, it is sometimes best to just keep the original word,
 explain/learn what it means, and stick with that.

 This is because the "words" are already loaded with more meaning than
 what basic English gives them, for example, "range"/"interval". Or
 "aggregate" or what not. All words with very specific meanings in the
 context of a specific *programming* language, that transcends the
 English language itself.

 If you "translate" those words, you are actually creating new words,
 which will require people to associate a new meaning to said word, when
 the original English word was perfectly fine for it.

 The japanese seemed good at doing these kind of things when I was there,
 talking about things like "regista", or whatnot.

 On the contrary, the French seem to like *everything* to get translated,
 to the point where the French themselves get confused by the double
 standard. For example, for "stack"/"heap", the French have "tas"/"pile".
 I'm French myself, and I can never remember which is which! Why couldn't
 they just keep "stack"/"heap"?

Same problem in English, you need to remember the meaning of each word.

More different words are heap and queue, which translate into "pile" and 
"file" in French, no problem for me in both languages. And I like the 
use of French word here. French computer science lessons with too much 
English words would be difficult to follow in my opinion. "pile" and 
"file" are easy to understand, because we can imagine "a heap of plates" 
("une pile d'assiettes") or "une file d'attente" (... a "queue"), where 
the first in is the first out.

Problem is, most technical term appear in English because technical 
people speak in English to be understood across the world.
I think each language should get an appropriate translation of these 
words, and a suitable translation for this new word could be the word 
itself, with a writing and a pronunciation more "natural" than the 
direct English word, if the English word didn't existed in the first 
place or has no translation in other languages. Context is then 
retrieved when the word is used in a specific domain.

Often, everyday life English words like "slice" were used to refer to a 
technical concept, and then the usage became familiar in the domain (the 
"context" is now there). I think all languages can do the same, that's 
why I think translation instead of just importing the English word is 
right in this situation.


 That's what I feel like anyways. Explaining things in your local
 language is fine, but if technical words get translated, oftentimes, you
 lose more from the loss of the context specific definition, then the
 gain from replacing it with a word in your own language, but with no
 added definition.

=?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:

On 11/09/2013 01:56 AM, monarch_dodra wrote:

You make very good points. However, some technical words are begging to 
be translated otherwise they hide the actual concept behind them. One 
example is "integral". A Turkish person may guess that it is perhaps 
related to automobiles (Lancia Integrale, anyone). Other than that, the 
nature of "integral" will always be hidden until the topic is studied 
and digested.

Nowadays there is a made-up Turkish word instead, tümlev, which at least 
carries the meaning.

 For example, for "stack"/"heap", the French have "tas"/"pile".
 I'm French myself, and I can never remember which is which! Why couldn't
 they just keep "stack"/"heap"?

Those specific words are bigger problems in Turkish because the chosen 
words are way too close: "yığıt"/"yığın" and I think I got the order 
right. :p

Ali

"SomeDude" <lovelydear mailmetrash.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 09:56:54 UTC, monarch_dodra wrote:
 On the contrary, the French seem to like *everything* to get 
 translated, to the point where the French themselves get 
 confused by the double standard. For example, for 
 "stack"/"heap", the French have "tas"/"pile". I'm French 
 myself, and I can never remember which is which! Why couldn't 
 they just keep "stack"/"heap"?

Heap = tas
Stack = pile
Queue = file d'attente

"Jacob Carlborg" <doob me.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 08:32:24 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
wrote:

 Given French's more limited vocabulary and resistance to adding 
 new words,
 translating technical terms has got to be a royal pain (and 
 then L'Académie
 Française gets ticked when folks use English words for new 
 stuff). I had my
 desktop in French for a while at one point, which definitely 
 improved my
 vocabulary. For better or worse, a lot of technical words seem 
 to get
 translated very literally, which gets interesting sometimes 
 (particularly when
 there doesn't seem to really be a direct translation 
 available). But I expect
 that it's often the same in other languages, though maybe some 
 of them are
 more open to just using the English word.

I can tell you that when I talk about programming or computers in 
Swedish I use a lot of English words. Many words don't have a 
good translation and just sound weird. If I would to translate 
"slice" into Swedish it would probably be "skiva", especially if 
we're talking about a slice of bread. But if I would say "skiva" 
when talking about programming to someone else they would 
probably say "WHAT?" and have no idea what I'm talking about.

I'm using all my software in English. One time I was going to use 
Photoshop at school and they had the Swedish version. I couldn't 
find a single thing by looking at the names. Just hoping you're 
remembering the locations of the buttons and the menus.

--
/Jacob Carlborg

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 11:28, Jacob Carlborg a écrit :
 On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 08:32:24 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

 Given French's more limited vocabulary and resistance to adding new
 words,
 translating technical terms has got to be a royal pain (and then
 L'Académie
 Française gets ticked when folks use English words for new stuff). I
 had my
 desktop in French for a while at one point, which definitely improved my
 vocabulary. For better or worse, a lot of technical words seem to get
 translated very literally, which gets interesting sometimes
 (particularly when
 there doesn't seem to really be a direct translation available). But I
 expect
 that it's often the same in other languages, though maybe some of them
 are
 more open to just using the English word.

 I can tell you that when I talk about programming or computers in
 Swedish I use a lot of English words. Many words don't have a good
 translation and just sound weird. If I would to translate "slice" into
 Swedish it would probably be "skiva", especially if we're talking about
 a slice of bread. But if I would say "skiva" when talking about
 programming to someone else they would probably say "WHAT?" and have no
 idea what I'm talking about.

We surely would get the same kind of reaction for "tranche" in French. 
But you are not sure people will understand "slice" correctly, even if 
they can be kind of familiar with the word (e.g. because of the slice 
method of the Array object in Javascript). To understand "slice", maybe 
some people will even try to translate it.

I think it is just a matter of habit, and your Photoshop example tend to 
confirm it.
When you used the word one time and explained it, people will start to 
understand you, and as you use it, people will get used to it and start 
employ it. Or not, an then it is time to fall back to the Enligh version 
of the word. So why being concerned by trying the native word first? 
Well, because it is native and it can help the appropriation of the 
concept behind it for people which don't master it. Maybe I'm wrong.

For slice, it seems it is a concept to be defined for each programming 
language anyway.

It still remains important to give the English word in lessons to be 
able to communicate with the rest of the word, and to be understood by 
people who already know the English word. Agreed.


 I'm using all my software in English. One time I was going to use
 Photoshop at school and they had the Swedish version. I couldn't find a
 single thing by looking at the names. Just hoping you're remembering the
 locations of the buttons and the menus.

 --
 /Jacob Carlborg

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 11:38, Raphaël Jakse a écrit :
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"Jacob Carlborg" <doob me.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:38:52 UTC, Raphaël Jakse wrote:

 We surely would get the same kind of reaction for "tranche" in 
 French. But you are not sure people will understand "slice" 
 correctly, even if they can be kind of familiar with the word 
 (e.g. because of the slice method of the Array object in 
 Javascript). To understand "slice", maybe some people will even 
 try to translate it.

Slices happen to be bit different in every language. A slice in D 
and Ruby does not have the same behavior. Although I could say 
the same about classes, but I wouldn't feel the same need to 
explain classes.

 I think it is just a matter of habit, and your Photoshop 
 example tend to confirm it.
 When you used the word one time and explained it, people will 
 start to understand you, and as you use it, people will get 
 used to it and start employ it. Or not, an then it is time to 
 fall back to the Enligh version of the word. So why being 
 concerned by trying the native word first? Well, because it is 
 native and it can help the appropriation of the concept behind 
 it for people which don't master it. Maybe I'm wrong.

Another example is "e-mail". We do have an official translation 
for that, "e-post", which is a direct translation. But most 
people use "mail", yes the English word. Which actually is a bit 
weird. This is also true for people how don't have any interest 
in computers at all, but use computers. What is getting more 
common now is also to use a Swedish spelling for "mail", which 
would be "mejl".

I'm thinking like this. Many of the words used in computer 
science have a meaning outside computer science which existed 
long before, i.e. stream, thread and so on. When I'm referring to 
the concept from computer science I'm using the English word and 
when I refer to the word out side of the computer world I'm using 
the Swedish word.

When referring to a stream of water I would use "bäck" which is 
the translation of "stream" but I could never, ever use that word 
when referring to a stream sending data over the network. The 
only reason I could use "bäck" in programming if I was creating a 
class for a game which referred to an actual stream of water, but 
since I always programming in English I would use "stream" anyway.

Thread on the other I could use the Swedish translation "tråd". 
But I would most often use the English word there as well. To me 
it adds context. If I would say just "thread" to someone that 
knows programming he/she would instantly know I'm talking about 
threads in programming. If I on the other hand would just say 
"tråd" it could mean something else, like a thread used for 
sewing.

 For slice, it seems it is a concept to be defined for each 
 programming language anyway.

 It still remains important to give the English word in lessons 
 to be able to communicate with the rest of the word, and to be 
 understood by people who already know the English word. Agreed.

Absolutely.

=?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:

On 11/09/2013 03:06 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 Many of the words used in computer science have a meaning
 outside computer science which existed long before, i.e.
 stream, thread and so on. When I'm referring to the concept
 from computer science I'm using the English word and when I
 refer to the word out side of the computer world I'm using the
 Swedish word.

The funny thing is, the English words like "slice" and "stream" make 
more sense in Swedish in a technical context because they are detached 
from their actual meanings. That is not the case for most English 
speakers because they can't help but think of a slice of bread, pizza, 
cake, etc., at least initially. :)

Ali

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 18:59, Ali Çehreli a écrit :
 On 11/09/2013 03:06 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

  > Many of the words used in computer science have a meaning
  > outside computer science which existed long before, i.e.
  > stream, thread and so on. When I'm referring to the concept
  > from computer science I'm using the English word and when I
  > refer to the word out side of the computer world I'm using the
  > Swedish word.

 The funny thing is, the English words like "slice" and "stream" make
 more sense in Swedish in a technical context because they are detached
 from their actual meanings. That is not the case for most English
 speakers because they can't help but think of a slice of bread, pizza,
 cake, etc., at least initially. :)

I am not alone with my cakes ! :-)

 Ali

"deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 07:43:21 UTC, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 Le 09/11/2013 08:21, John J a écrit :
 On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
 I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.

 Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' into 
 French,
 for that matter into any other language?

 I've still not translated the chapter about template so I have 
 not decided anything yet.

 My guideline is to translate everything (I hate 
 speaking/reading about computer science with people who use 
 three English works by French sentance) and give the English 
 counterpart the first time to be able to find help in the 
 English world.

 Also, using French words when speaking about computer science 
 helps speaking about computer science with people who are not 
 into it, I'm really attached to this.

 The French translation for template is "modèle", I think I'll 
 use this one. I'm okay with also giving the English "template" 
 in my translation, but not use it (If somebody disagrees, I'm 
 open to talk)

 I had a really hard time translating "slice". I opted for 
 "tranche". That can sound weird but what "slice" really means, 
 unless I am mistaken. If somebody has a better translation, 
 please suggest!
 I'm absolutely not comfortable with "une slice" or "un slice". 
 Some French people will pronounce the "i"  "i", some other will 
 pronounce it "aïe". That's not neat and that will not ease the 
 reading of the translation.

 Raphaël.

When it come to translation, I have to pull my secret card, my
friend Pierre :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xalkad_motus_sport

He is geek enough to know some programming basics (he for
instance extracted the 3 10 letters words that exist in french
that give as much different letters as possible in preparation of
the show) and as you can see, have probably more vocabulary than
all of us combined (he happen to be a scrabble champion).

I'll ask him and see what he think.

template is french friendly enough to keep. "modèle" is kind of
confusing. Slice is a difficult one. Tranche is probably the best
I can think of now, but I don't think slice have any direct
translation in french.

"Jacob Carlborg" <doob me.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 07:43:21 UTC, Raphaël Jakse wrote:

 I've still not translated the chapter about template so I have 
 not decided anything yet.

 My guideline is to translate everything (I hate 
 speaking/reading about computer science with people who use 
 three English works by French sentance) and give the English 
 counterpart the first time to be able to find help in the 
 English world.

 Also, using French words when speaking about computer science 
 helps speaking about computer science with people who are not 
 into it, I'm really attached to this.

 The French translation for template is "modèle", I think I'll 
 use this one. I'm okay with also giving the English "template" 
 in my translation, but not use it (If somebody disagrees, I'm 
 open to talk)

It sounds strange to translate a keyword. If I put it like this, 
it would be ok to translate a keyword when talking about it like 
a topic, i.e. a chapter called "Templates" (Modèle). But when 
referring to the actual keyword, what one need to write in the 
code, it seems wrong to translate it. So if you would write 
something like this:

Templates are ... and the keyword used is "template".

The first "template" would be translate but not the second. Does 
that make sense.

--
/Jacob Carlborg

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 11:13, Jacob Carlborg a écrit :
 On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 07:43:21 UTC, Raphaël Jakse wrote:

 I've still not translated the chapter about template so I have not
 decided anything yet.

 My guideline is to translate everything (I hate speaking/reading about
 computer science with people who use three English works by French
 sentance) and give the English counterpart the first time to be able
 to find help in the English world.

 Also, using French words when speaking about computer science helps
 speaking about computer science with people who are not into it, I'm
 really attached to this.

 The French translation for template is "modèle", I think I'll use this
 one. I'm okay with also giving the English "template" in my
 translation, but not use it (If somebody disagrees, I'm open to talk)

 It sounds strange to translate a keyword. If I put it like this, it
 would be ok to translate a keyword when talking about it like a topic,
 i.e. a chapter called "Templates" (Modèle). But when referring to the
 actual keyword, what one need to write in the code, it seems wrong to
 translate it. So if you would write something like this:

 Templates are ... and the keyword used is "template".

 The first "template" would be translate but not the second. Does that
 make sense.

Yes, it makes sense. I thought about it and got to the same conclusion 
as you.

I would title the chapter "Les modèles (templates)" with "templates" in 
italic, or "Les modèles et le mot clé template" with "template" in a 
monospace font.

keywords are not translated and are writen in a monospace font (or 
whatever style dedicated for writing code) and concepts, ideas, topic or 
whatever, get translated.


 --
 /Jacob Carlborg

"Jacob Carlborg" <doob me.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:24:18 UTC, Raphaël Jakse wrote:

 Yes, it makes sense. I thought about it and got to the same 
 conclusion as you.

 I would title the chapter "Les modèles (templates)" with 
 "templates" in italic, or "Les modèles et le mot clé template" 
 with "template" in a monospace font.

 keywords are not translated and are writen in a monospace font 
 (or whatever style dedicated for writing code) and concepts, 
 ideas, topic or whatever, get translated.

Sounds good. I like the idea of putting the English word in the 
title as well.

--
/Jacob Carlborg

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 11:39, Jacob Carlborg a écrit :
 On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:24:18 UTC, Raphaël Jakse wrote:

 Yes, it makes sense. I thought about it and got to the same conclusion
 as you.

 I would title the chapter "Les modèles (templates)" with "templates"
 in italic, or "Les modèles et le mot clé template" with "template" in
 a monospace font.

 keywords are not translated and are writen in a monospace font (or
 whatever style dedicated for writing code) and concepts, ideas, topic
 or whatever, get translated.

 Sounds good. I like the idea of putting the English word in the title as
 well.

For templates, the English word is so widespread and "Modèle" (maybe 
also "template") is such an abstract word that putting the English word 
in the title seems necessary and useful and that could ease 
comprehension and searches in the tutorial :-)

 --
 /Jacob Carlborg

"SomeDude" <lovelydear mailmetrash.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:47:45 UTC, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 For templates, the English word is so widespread and "Modèle" 
 (maybe also "template") is such an abstract word that putting 
 the English word in the title seems necessary and useful and 
 that could ease comprehension and searches in the tutorial :-)

And modèle isn't even a widely accepted translation. I have seen 
the word patron in books. That one is even less agreed upon than 
modèle, and my french C++ programmers commonly use template.

Another option is to use the adjective générique. But you then 
need to join it to a name, like classe, or méthode, or fonction.

Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:

On 2013-11-09 21:08, SomeDude wrote:

 And modèle isn't even a widely accepted translation. I have seen the
 word patron in books. That one is even less agreed upon than modèle, and
 my french C++ programmers commonly use template.

 Another option is to use the adjective générique. But you then need to
 join it to a name, like classe, or méthode, or fonction.

That sounds like generics. Templates is one way to implement generics.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 21:08, SomeDude a écrit :
 On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:47:45 UTC, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 For templates, the English word is so widespread and "Modèle" (maybe
 also "template") is such an abstract word that putting the English
 word in the title seems necessary and useful and that could ease
 comprehension and searches in the tutorial :-)

 And modèle isn't even a widely accepted translation. I have seen the
 word patron in books. That one is even less agreed upon than modèle, and
 my french C++ programmers commonly use template.

 Another option is to use the adjective générique. But you then need to
 join it to a name, like classe, or méthode, or fonction.

I like this. This is to be considered.

"Olivier Pisano" <olivier.pisano laposte.net> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:13:42 UTC, Jacob Carlborg 
wrote:
 The French translation for template is "modèle", I think I'll 
 use this one. I'm okay with also giving the English "template" 
 in my translation, but not use it (If somebody disagrees, I'm 
 open to talk)

 It sounds strange to translate a keyword. If I put it like 
 this, it would be ok to translate a keyword when talking about 
 it like a topic, i.e. a chapter called "Templates" (Modèle). 
 But when referring to the actual keyword, what one need to 
 write in the code, it seems wrong to translate it. So if you 
 would write something like this:

 Templates are ... and the keyword used is "template".

Most of the time, templates are translated as "templates". I 
think it is better not to add an additional cognitive indirection 
by translating the keyword.

The worst translation I ever saw for templates in a french C++ 
book was "patron". It took me a few seconds to realize what it 
was refering to.

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 10/11/2013 09:31, Olivier Pisano a écrit :
 Most of the time, templates are translated as "templates". I think it is
 better not to add an additional cognitive indirection by translating the
 keyword.

 The worst translation I ever saw for templates in a french C++ book was
 "patron". It took me a few seconds to realize what it was refering to.

I agree for "patron", which is mostly for geometry and can be confused 
with the concept of "pattern", which might be even more abstract.


The additional indirection is true for people who already know the 
concept and who read a tutorial which didn't translate the word the 
first time they learned the concept.

When I first saw "template", It meant nothing for me because I didn't 
know the English word. With a French word, I could have understood more 
easily (at least, I would not have been blocked by an unknown English word).

Realizing what the French word refers to for people who already now the 
concept can be eased by introducing the English word at the same time.
What these people will have to do when reading the chapter is to 
remember that e.g. "modèle" refers to "template". It is more work, but 
the additional work is not really a problem as they already know the 
concept. On the other hand, people who don't know the concept won't have 
the additional work to block on an unknown English word or to translate 
it. Anyway, the 'template' keyword will appear anywhere in the chapter 
so the English word will be there.

Philippe Sigaud <philippe.sigaud gmail.com> writes:

On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Rapha=C3=ABl Jakse <raphael.jakse gmail.com=
wrote:

 Le 09/11/2013 08:21, John J a =C3=A9crit :

  On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
 I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.

 Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' into French,
 for that matter into any other language?

 I've still not translated the chapter about template so I have not decide=

d
 anything yet.

 My guideline is to translate everything (I hate speaking/reading about
 computer science with people who use three English works by French
 sentance) and give the English counterpart the first time to be able to
 find help in the English world.

That seems OK.


 Also, using French words when speaking about computer science helps
 speaking about computer science with people who are not into it, I'm real=

ly
 attached to this.

 The French translation for template is "mod=C3=A8le", I think I'll use th=

is
 one. I'm okay with also giving the English "template" in my translation,
 but not use it (If somebody disagrees, I'm open to talk)

 I had a really hard time translating "slice". I opted for "tranche". That
 can sound weird but what "slice" really means, unless I am mistaken. If
 somebody has a better translation, please suggest!

extrait?

partie?

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 11:43, Philippe Sigaud a écrit :
 On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Raphaël Jakse <raphael.jakse gmail.com
 <mailto:raphael.jakse gmail.com>> wrote:

     Le 09/11/2013 08:21, John J a écrit :

         On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:

             I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.


         Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' into
         French,
         for that matter into any other language?


     I've still not translated the chapter about template so I have not
     decided anything yet.

     My guideline is to translate everything (I hate speaking/reading
     about computer science with people who use three English works by
     French sentance) and give the English counterpart the first time to
     be able to find help in the English world.


 That seems OK.


     Also, using French words when speaking about computer science helps
     speaking about computer science with people who are not into it, I'm
     really attached to this.

     The French translation for template is "modèle", I think I'll use
     this one. I'm okay with also giving the English "template" in my
     translation, but not use it (If somebody disagrees, I'm open to talk)

     I had a really hard time translating "slice". I opted for "tranche".
     That can sound weird but what "slice" really means, unless I am
     mistaken. If somebody has a better translation, please suggest!


 extrait?

 partie?

To be considered :-)
However, these two words do not seem to imply continuity that "tranche" 
seems to imply.

Maybe we should vote for the translation of this word.

Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net> writes:

On 09/11/13 11:51, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 To be considered :-)
 However, these two words do not seem to imply continuity that "tranche" seems
to
 imply.

 Maybe we should vote for the translation of this word.

Non-native French speaker here, but I also think "tranche" makes most sense, 
both because it's a literal translation of "slice" and because of the subtler 
implications that you mention here.

"Graham Fawcett" <fawcett uwindsor.ca> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:44:06 UTC, Philippe Sigaud 
wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Raphaël Jakse
 I had a really hard time translating "slice". I opted for 
 "tranche". That
 can sound weird but what "slice" really means, unless I am 
 mistaken. If
 somebody has a better translation, please suggest!

 extrait?

 partie?

"Tranche" seems better to me, because the translation is so 
direct.

The term "slice" isn't any more semantically accurate in English 
than "tranche" would be in French. We aren't actually "taking a 
slice" of an array, after all: that would imply that the original 
array was now missing a piece. :)

As a weak francophone, if I saw "tranche" in a french D article, 
I would know exactly what it meant, while "partie" would seem 
more ambiguous IMHO.

Just my two cents (bien que nous n'avons plus des cents au 
Canada!),
Graham

"SomeDude" <lovelydear mailmetrash.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 17:03:38 UTC, Graham Fawcett 
wrote:
 "Tranche" seems better to me, because the translation is so 
 direct.

 The term "slice" isn't any more semantically accurate in 
 English than "tranche" would be in French. We aren't actually 
 "taking a slice" of an array, after all: that would imply that 
 the original array was now missing a piece. :)

 As a weak francophone, if I saw "tranche" in a french D 
 article, I would know exactly what it meant, while "partie" 
 would seem more ambiguous IMHO.

 Just my two cents (bien que nous n'avons plus des cents au 
 Canada!),
 Graham

Pareil.

And using too generic words like "partie" may actually make it 
harder to explain things.

=?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:

On 11/08/2013 11:43 PM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:

 My guideline is to translate everything (I hate
 speaking/reading about computer science with people who use
 three English works by French sentance) and give the English
 counterpart the first time to be able to find help in the
 English world.

Like almost everything else about natural languages, translation is a 
fascinating topic.

Like you, I tried to use all Turkish words. I consulted many online 
programming dictionaries, asked individual words at Turkish forums, 
imported from other languages (e.g. "temsilci" for "delegate" from the 

left-hand side that contains the English originals of the translations. 
Here is the template chapter:

   http://ddili.org/ders/d/sablonlar.html

 The French translation for template is "modèle", I think I'll
 use this one.

That was one of the funnier translations to Turkish: In order to avoid 
the foreign word "template", I used another foreign word which comes 
from another context (architectural drawing tools), "şablon", partly 
because it is already in use in the C++ world. I would have guessed that 
it was the transliteration of French "chablon" but "chablon" seems to be 
a dead word as I can't find it on online dictionaries. :) Google 
Translate translates it as "şablon" to Turkish but that's it. Anyway...

 I had a really hard time translating "slice".

Yup, that and many others... Fascinating topic... :)

Ali

=?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:

On 11/09/2013 09:26 AM, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 "şablon" ... transliteration of French "chablon"

Correcting myself: I think it is actually orthographic transcription, 
not transliteration.

Ali

Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net> writes:

On 09/11/13 18:42, Ali Çehreli wrote:
 On 11/09/2013 09:26 AM, Ali Çehreli wrote:

  > "şablon" ... transliteration of French "chablon"

 Correcting myself: I think it is actually orthographic transcription, not
 transliteration.

Welsh is great for this: for example, cinema, taxi and ambulance are rendered
as 
"sinema", "tacsi" and "ambiwlans" :-)

=?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:

On 11/09/2013 01:22 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:

 Welsh is great for this: for example, cinema, taxi and ambulance are
 rendered as "sinema", "tacsi" and "ambiwlans" :-)

Good stuff! We should all get together and share these stories over 
beer. :p And the Turkish versions: sinema, taksi, ambülans.

Ali

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 18:26, Ali Çehreli a écrit :
 On 11/08/2013 11:43 PM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:

  > My guideline is to translate everything (I hate
  > speaking/reading about computer science with people who use
  > three English works by French sentance) and give the English
  > counterpart the first time to be able to find help in the
  > English world.

 Like almost everything else about natural languages, translation is a
 fascinating topic.

I completely agree :-)

 Like you, I tried to use all Turkish words. I consulted many online
 programming dictionaries, asked individual words at Turkish forums,
 imported from other languages (e.g. "temsilci" for "delegate" from the

 left-hand side that contains the English originals of the translations.
 Here is the template chapter:

    http://ddili.org/ders/d/sablonlar.html

  > The French translation for template is "modèle", I think I'll
  > use this one.

 That was one of the funnier translations to Turkish: In order to avoid
 the foreign word "template", I used another foreign word which comes
 from another context (architectural drawing tools), "şablon", partly
 because it is already in use in the C++ world. I would have guessed that
 it was the transliteration of French "chablon" but "chablon" seems to be
 a dead word as I can't find it on online dictionaries. :) Google
 Translate translates it as "şablon" to Turkish but that's it. Anyway...

I didn't know this word. My dictionary ("Le Petit Larousse 2006") only 
says that is a Swiss word for "pochoir", which is a "stencil", which 
indeed can be considered as a template.

online Larousse gives another definition of the word: "un chablon" is a 
partially assembled movement (clockwork)

http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/chablon/14404



  > I had a really hard time translating "slice".

 Yup, that and many others... Fascinating topic... :)

Natural languages, translation and teaching are fascinating topic :-)

 Ali

"eles" <eles eles.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 20:15:19 UTC, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 Le 09/11/2013 18:26, Ali Çehreli a écrit :
 On 11/08/2013 11:43 PM, Raphaël Jakse wrote:


 I didn't know this word. My dictionary ("Le Petit Larousse 
 2006") only says that is a Swiss word for "pochoir", which is a 
 "stencil", which indeed can be considered as a template.

In Switzerland, it came from German (and, maybe, in Turkish too):

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schablone

French equivalent:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pochoir

Another choice:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_(programmation)

Philippe Sigaud <philippe.sigaud gmail.com> writes:

On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 8:21 AM, John J <john.joyus gmail.com> wrote:

 On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:

 I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.

 Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' into French, for
 that matter into any other language?

Not the keyword, but the, er, concept, the idea that you can write 'code
blueprints'. 'range' is also an idea that could be translated (or not, btw).

"Jacob Carlborg" <doob me.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:42:13 UTC, Philippe Sigaud 
wrote:

 Not the keyword, but the, er, concept, the idea that you can 
 write 'code
 blueprints'. 'range' is also an idea that could be translated 
 (or not, btw).

Range is just a concept. There's nothing in D that you can point 
at and say "this is a range", not in the same sense as a class at 
least or a function.

--
/Jacob Carlborg

Paulo Pinto <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:

Am 09.11.2013 08:21, schrieb John J:
 On 11/09/2013 01:40 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
 I don't even know how to say 'template' in French.

 Do they really need to translate keywords like 'template' into French,
 for that matter into any other language?

It is a cultural thing, so whoever is translating needs to be aware how 
people expect technical documentation to look like.

For example, in Portugal and African Portuguese speaking countries, we 
rather mix English technical terms with Portuguese even when a 
translation does exist, whereas in Brazil they tend to choose other words.

My experience leaving in Germany tells me that you only hear people 
using German official terms in very traditional (aka old) companies, the 
new generations mix English technical terms with German.

In Spain, you tend to get almost everything translated as well.

Then you also have the problem when a technical term has a translation, 
it might not be the same across all variations of the language. 
Spreasheet is "Folha de Cálcul"o in Portugal and "Planilha Electrônica" 
in Brazil, as an example.


--
Paulo

Philippe Sigaud <philippe.sigaud gmail.com> writes:

On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Paulo Pinto <pjmlp progtools.org> wrote:

 For example, in Portugal and African Portuguese speaking countries, we
 rather mix English technical terms with Portuguese even when a translation
 does exist, whereas in Brazil they tend to choose other words.

 My experience leaving in Germany tells me that you only hear people using
 German official terms in very traditional (aka old) companies, the new
 generations mix English technical terms with German.


I remember having friends coming from North Africa and speaking among
themselves in Arabic, interspersed with French words, enough for me to get
a global feeling of what was being said. Most interesting was that
mathematical terms (that was during my studies) were all in French.

We are all adaptive beasts.

Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net> writes:

On 09/11/13 12:05, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
 I remember having friends coming from North Africa and speaking among
themselves
 in Arabic, interspersed with French words, enough for me to get a global
feeling
 of what was being said. Most interesting was that mathematical terms (that was
 during my studies) were all in French.

It's a consequence of the history of the education system -- with Arabic being 
the native language but French being the language of colonial administration
and 
therefore the language of higher education, particularly things like maths. 
That split has persisted post-independence in much the same way that Latin 
persisted as the language of scholarship after the fall of the Roman empire.

You have exactly the same thing occurring in e.g. India with English -- and of 
course the English language itself is the long-term consequence of a similar 
blend between native (Anglo-Saxon) and elite (Norman French) languages.

Oh, on the mathematical terms -- when I was an undergraduate I had a professor 
who was Chinese, and one time I heard him on the phone to a Chinese colleague 
with the conversation going something like this: "[incomprehensible] x over y, 
[incomprehensible] integral of f dx ..."

Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:

On 2013-11-09 13:50, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:

 You have exactly the same thing occurring in e.g. India with English --
 and of course the English language itself is the long-term consequence
 of a similar blend between native (Anglo-Saxon) and elite (Norman
 French) languages.

Isn't English the official language in India, or one of them?

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net> writes:

On 09/11/13 14:29, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
 Isn't English the official language in India, or one of them?

One of them, yes.  As I understand it has particular use as a common language 
for government and higher education.

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 07:40, Philippe Sigaud a écrit :
 French here also. I'll have a look at this forum!

 As for Ali's book in French, I didn't know there was any translating
 being done. Can we help?


I've been really quiet about it and only Ali and some of my friends knew 
about it, moslty because of shyness, and lack of time.
With the creation of dlang-fr, publishing should become possible in 
acceptable conditions (openclassrooms, ex "Site du Zér0" not being an 
option and my home hosting neither) and motivation can come back.

I guess proofreading is what is needed for the moment, after preparing 
the stuff to be published (this should not take too long).
Would you or somebody else be eager to proofread this crappy translation 
to get a great translation of Ali's great work out of it ?

Raphaël.

=?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:

On 11/08/2013 12:21 PM, "Théo B" <munrek gmx.com>" wrote:

 Unfortunaly, finding resources in french on the web is near impossible,

"Programming in D" is currently being translated to French. I will ping 
the translator so that he can chime in about the progress.

   http://ddili.org/ders/d.en/

Ali

=?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" <munrek gmx.com> writes:

On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 23:19:04 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
 On 11/08/2013 12:21 PM, "Théo B" <munrek gmx.com>" wrote:

 Unfortunaly, finding resources in french on the web is near

 impossible,

 "Programming in D" is currently being translated to French. I 
 will ping the translator so that he can chime in about the 
 progress.

   http://ddili.org/ders/d.en/

 Ali

Good news !
This will be great if the translator took contact with us :)

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 01:09, "Théo B" <munrek gmx.com>" a écrit :
 On Friday, 8 November 2013 at 23:19:04 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
 On 11/08/2013 12:21 PM, "Théo B" <munrek gmx.com>" wrote:

 Unfortunaly, finding resources in french on the web is near

 impossible,

 "Programming in D" is currently being translated to French. I will
 ping the translator so that he can chime in about the progress.

   http://ddili.org/ders/d.en/

 Ali

 Good news !
 This will be great if the translator took contact with us :)

Hello everybody,

I'm the translator of Ali's book. Unfortunately, I've been quite busy 
these times, and finding time to continue the translation implies 
motivation.
One motivation would be to see the already translated part online.
I'm currently translating the "Exception" chapter (which is quite big !)

As for finding time itself, I guess I can manage to schedule the 
translation of one chapter or the half of a big chapter a week. The 
publication of what is already translated would be extremely motivating.

I would be glad to see this translation published on dlang-fr.org. Great 
initiative Théo ! The creation of dlang-fr could be a major event for 
the French D community. Bravo!

What is needed for this translation to be published is some 
proofreading. So far, I have only been translating, proofreading has not 
be done.

Theo, we need to get in touch to organize the proofreading and the 
publication of the translation through dlang-fr, if you are okay.

=?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" <munrek gmx.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 07:19:47 UTC, Raphaël Jakse wrote:
 As for finding time itself, I guess I can manage to schedule 
 the translation of one chapter or the half of a big chapter a 
 week. The publication of what is already translated would be 
 extremely motivating.

 I would be glad to see this translation published on 
 dlang-fr.org. Great initiative Théo ! The creation of dlang-fr 
 could be a major event for the French D community. Bravo!

 What is needed for this translation to be published is some 
 proofreading. So far, I have only been translating, 
 proofreading has not be done.

 Theo, we need to get in touch to organize the proofreading and 
 the publication of the translation through dlang-fr, if you are 
 okay.

It would be great to publish your work on dlang-fr !
Please take contact via email, the forum ( or jabber ) so that we 
can talk about it.

Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:

On Friday, November 08, 2013 20:16:44 Timothee Cour wrote:
 french as well (although living in US).
 A great start would be lobbying so that they teach D in French Engineering
 schools ... instead of ocaml.
 I'll probably stick mostly to US forums though to avoid splitting.

I'm not French, but I lived in France and the French-speaking part of 
Switerzland for two years, so I'm fairly fluent (though it's been about 10 
years now, so I'm sure that my French is getting worse). So, if I participated 
in such a forum, it would probably be primarily to brush up on my French, but 
I'm busy enough that I expect that I won't do anything with it (I'm having a 
difficult enough time keeping up with this one). I wish the best of luck to 
those in the French forum though.

- Jonathan M Davis

Philippe Sigaud <philippe.sigaud gmail.com> writes:

On Friday, November 08, 2013 20:16:44 Timothee Cour wrote:
 french as well (although living in US).
 A great start would be lobbying so that they teach D in French

 Engineering
 schools ... instead of ocaml.


Did they teach you ocaml? I had C, with maybe a dash of C++.


 I'll probably stick mostly to US forums though to avoid splitting.


Sure. And the discussions are too interesting here :-)


 On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com>
 wrote:

 I'm not French, but I lived in France and the French-speaking part of
 Switerzland for two years, so I'm fairly fluent (though it's been about 10
 years now, so I'm sure that my French is getting worse). So, if I
 participated
 in such a forum, it would probably be primarily to brush up on my French,
 but
 I'm busy enough that I expect that I won't do anything with it (I'm having
 a
 difficult enough time keeping up with this one). I wish the best of luck to
 those in the French forum though.

Reading your previous post in French gave me a moment of disorientation :-)


 - Jonathan M Davis

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 07:43, Philippe Sigaud a écrit :
     On Friday, November 08, 2013 20:16:44 Timothee Cour wrote:
      > french as well (although living in US).
      > A great start would be lobbying so that they teach D in French
     Engineering
      > schools ... instead of ocaml.


 Did they teach you ocaml? I had C, with maybe a dash of C++.

I've been taught OCaml (to introduce functional programming) and C at 
the university. No C++, but ADA. Java is also taught.

      > I'll probably stick mostly to US forums though to avoid splitting.


 Sure. And the discussions are too interesting here :-)

I think it would be great to have a French speaking topic on Digital 
Mars' newgroups with a web version. I don't really like Web forum, I 
don't find them easy to use and to follow, but a Web version is 
necessary for people who are not used to newsgroups. French people who 
speak English would be able to read French as well as English newsgroups.

Paulo Pinto <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:

Am 09.11.2013 08:50, schrieb Raphaël Jakse:
 Le 09/11/2013 07:43, Philippe Sigaud a écrit :
     On Friday, November 08, 2013 20:16:44 Timothee Cour wrote:
      > french as well (although living in US).
      > A great start would be lobbying so that they teach D in French
     Engineering
      > schools ... instead of ocaml.


 Did they teach you ocaml? I had C, with maybe a dash of C++.

 I've been taught OCaml (to introduce functional programming) and C at
 the university. No C++, but ADA. Java is also taught.

Actually I find very positive that people get introduced to ML family of 
languages.

It is a nice way to learn functional programming.

My university had a strong focus in ML (Caml Light back then) and Prolog 
as well, so I have beed brain damaged since mid 90's always looking 
forward to using those concepts in the industry. :)

--
Paulo

=?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" <munrek gmx.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:31:05 UTC, matovitch wrote:
 Thanks. I forked the D template tutorial of Philipp Sigaud to 
 start a french translation : 
 https://github.com/matovitch/D-templates-tutorial. Feel free to 
 clone ! :-)

 Templates are a strong features of D and I think they deserve 
 to be promoted.

It would be great if you could subscribe the french forum and
start a topic about this, we can talk about this and help :)

Also Raphaël Jakse please contact me :)

=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgSmFrc2U=?= <raphael.jakse gmail.com> writes:

Le 09/11/2013 11:36, "Théo B" <munrek gmx.com>" a écrit :
 On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:31:05 UTC, matovitch wrote:
 Thanks. I forked the D template tutorial of Philipp Sigaud to start a
 french translation :
 https://github.com/matovitch/D-templates-tutorial. Feel free to clone
 ! :-)

 Templates are a strong features of D and I think they deserve to be
 promoted.

 It would be great if you could subscribe the french forum and
 start a topic about this, we can talk about this and help :)

 Also Raphaël Jakse please contact me :)

I should send you an email in the afternoon, or as soon as possible ;-)

"deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:32:26 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
 Am 09.11.2013 08:50, schrieb Raphaël Jakse:
 Le 09/11/2013 07:43, Philippe Sigaud a écrit :
    On Friday, November 08, 2013 20:16:44 Timothee Cour wrote:
     > french as well (although living in US).
     > A great start would be lobbying so that they teach D in 
 French
    Engineering
     > schools ... instead of ocaml.


 Did they teach you ocaml? I had C, with maybe a dash of C++.

 I've been taught OCaml (to introduce functional programming) 
 and C at
 the university. No C++, but ADA. Java is also taught.

 Actually I find very positive that people get introduced to ML 
 family of languages.

 It is a nice way to learn functional programming.

 My university had a strong focus in ML (Caml Light back then) 
 and Prolog as well, so I have beed brain damaged since mid 90's 
 always looking forward to using those concepts in the industry. 
 :)

 --
 Paulo

I went throws OCaml when studying. It has to be noted that I 
already know several languages by myself at this point.

I do agree that learning OCaml is a really good thing, but the 
way it has been done to me wasn't that profitable. The fact is 
that teachers didn't knew much about functional programming, how 
it differs from other paradigms, the pro and cons. Nothing of 
that was discussed, so all student that knew some programming, 
but not functional were left wondering what is that shit were i 
can't update the value of a variable.

I has to learn why this is good much later and by myself. I'm 
pretty sure most people see it as the weird and useless language 
we learn in the beginning of our studies.

Many school are switching back to C.

Paulo Pinto <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:

Am 09.11.2013 21:27, schrieb deadalnix:
 On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 10:32:26 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
 Am 09.11.2013 08:50, schrieb Raphaël Jakse:
 Le 09/11/2013 07:43, Philippe Sigaud a écrit :
    On Friday, November 08, 2013 20:16:44 Timothee Cour wrote:
     > french as well (although living in US).
     > A great start would be lobbying so that they teach D in French
    Engineering
     > schools ... instead of ocaml.


 Did they teach you ocaml? I had C, with maybe a dash of C++.

 I've been taught OCaml (to introduce functional programming) and C at
 the university. No C++, but ADA. Java is also taught.

 Actually I find very positive that people get introduced to ML family
 of languages.

 It is a nice way to learn functional programming.

 My university had a strong focus in ML (Caml Light back then) and
 Prolog as well, so I have beed brain damaged since mid 90's always
 looking forward to using those concepts in the industry. :)

 --
 Paulo

 I went throws OCaml when studying. It has to be noted that I already
 know several languages by myself at this point.

 I do agree that learning OCaml is a really good thing, but the way it
 has been done to me wasn't that profitable. The fact is that teachers
 didn't knew much about functional programming, how it differs from other
 paradigms, the pro and cons. Nothing of that was discussed, so all
 student that knew some programming, but not functional were left
 wondering what is that shit were i can't update the value of a variable.

 I has to learn why this is good much later and by myself. I'm pretty
 sure most people see it as the weird and useless language we learn in
 the beginning of our studies.

 Many school are switching back to C.

I see, we had quite a good selection of languages in the university.

The university had standard Pascal, C, C++, Caml Light, Prolog, Java
for project assignments, besides the overview of many others in history 
of programming languages and compiler design lectures.

Caml Light was used mostly in the lectures about lambda calculus, 
language design.

However, for the implementation of a real compiler, we were required to 
use Java with JavaCC, because using functional/logic languages would 
make the task too easy for us. :)

--
Paulo

Xavier Bigand <flamaros.xavier gmail.com> writes:

Le 08/11/2013 21:21, "Théo B" <munrek gmx.com>" a écrit :
 Hello there,

 I am a French student who discovered D about a year ago. I used it for a
 few personal projects, and I really enjoyed it as a great tool to make
 powerful native-apps easily.

 Unfortunaly, finding resources in french on the web is near impossible,
 and I think this is a real problem for the language to expand ( in terms
 of new users, and activity ). Another problem is that there is no french
 community to exchange and promote it, so I decided to create a
 french-speaking website with resources and forums.

 http://dlang-fr.org/
 http://forum.dlang-fr.org/

 There is also a chan on freenode : #d-fr

 Actually the server and the services are running, and are just waiting
 for people :)

 My main goal is promoting and translating resources about the technology
 ( library reference, tutorials, and maybe ali's book ? ), and maintain a
 great place to start for all the beginners in programming, and also a
 great exchange spot for more experienced programmers.

 What we need now is nice and motivated guys to help me building the
 resources and organizating about future translations. If you speak
 french you are of course welcome to come ; even just exchanging on the
 forum would be a great help for us.

 I think D worth spreading, and so I hope this will be helpful.

 Please excuse my awful english, this is not my native language ( well
 this is not a reason, I'm just bad ).

 Regards,
 Théo.

French here

Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.ca> writes:

    =?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" <munrek gmx.com>  writes:
On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 12:02:17 UTC, Michel Fortin wrote:
 Wouldn't it be better to concentrate efforts on making the 
 official D site and the forum interface multilingual? (and also 
 incidentally add a French forum here?) Then this system can be 
 expanded to other languages easily.

Well, dlang.org is a very good reference website, but as a 
beginner you can't use it easily to start programming in D. I 
want to make dlang-fr accessible to all the beginners with 
tutorials and easy-to-follow documentation.

I think dlang.org must keep like it is now ; a good 
advanced-programmer website, that make development of the 
language easy to maintain with advanced reference and docs. In my 
view that is not its job to promote D and make it accessible to 
beginners, but maybe I'm wrong ?

 Nov 09 2013

    Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net>  writes:
On 09/11/13 13:02, Michel Fortin wrote:
 Wouldn't it be better to concentrate efforts on making the official D site and
 the forum interface multilingual? (and also incidentally add a French forum
 here?) Then this system can be expanded to other languages easily.

Raises a good point: how can one reliably provide multilingual DDoc?

 Nov 09 2013

    Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.ca>  writes:
On 2013-11-09 13:40:10 +0000, Joseph Rushton Wakeling 
<joseph.wakeling webdrake.net> said:

 On 09/11/13 13:02, Michel Fortin wrote:
 Wouldn't it be better to concentrate efforts on making the official D site and
 the forum interface multilingual? (and also incidentally add a French forum
 here?) Then this system can be expanded to other languages easily.

 
 Raises a good point: how can one reliably provide multilingual DDoc?

Well, there are two kinds of DDoc. Whole pages and symbol descriptions. 
For whole pages, well you just duplicate the structure in a "fr" 
subfolder (and in the build script make sure buttons are added to 
switch from one language to another).

For symbol descriptions (including modules), I think the best way would 
be to have a translation table of some sort using the symbol's fully 
qualified name as a key. And also ideally a system that tells you which 
documentation snippets have been updated in the current build since the 
last translation in a given language. This system could also point out 
whole pages that needs to be updated (preferably with a diff view of 
some sort).

It's more work at first than creating a separate site, but in the end 
it'll pay off by being easier to keep up to date. Also, the main site 
being available in multiple languages is more welcoming that splitting 
communities on various satellite sites each doing their own thing.

(Also note that I have nothing against satellite sites doing their own 
thing. I'm just making the point that if someone wants to take a 
significant part of dlang.org and translate it, it'd be best if the 
translation was available on dlang.org in a well structured manner.)

-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.fortin michelf.ca
http://michelf.ca

 Nov 09 2013

    Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com>  writes:
On 11/9/2013 4:02 AM, Michel Fortin wrote:
 Take my website as an example. For almost any page (for instance the
 D/Objective-C project[1]), you have a link at the top right to go to the French
 equivalent of that page (which is a good proper translation, NOT an automatic
 one). It's very handy when you can find a page in a language and need the
 equivalent in another to post as a link somewhere.

I want to point out that all the dlang.org pages have a "Translate" button on 
the left side. It's an automatic one, sure, but it'll help.

 Nov 09 2013

    "deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com>  writes:
On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 18:45:10 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 11/9/2013 4:02 AM, Michel Fortin wrote:
 Take my website as an example. For almost any page (for 
 instance the
 D/Objective-C project[1]), you have a link at the top right to 
 go to the French
 equivalent of that page (which is a good proper translation, 
 NOT an automatic
 one). It's very handy when you can find a page in a language 
 and need the
 equivalent in another to post as a link somewhere.

 I want to point out that all the dlang.org pages have a 
 "Translate" button on the left side. It's an automatic one, 
 sure, but it'll help.

The french one is a giant KAMOULOX. Quite hilarious, but not 
terribly useful.

 Nov 09 2013

    "deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com>  writes:
On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 12:02:17 UTC, Michel Fortin wrote:
 Wouldn't it be better to concentrate efforts on making the 
 official D site and the forum interface multilingual? (and also 
 incidentally add a French forum here?) Then this system can be 
 expanded to other languages easily.

The french translation of the site is hillarious right now. The 
translator understand "native" as in native american. You must 
try it is you understand some french.

 Nov 09 2013

    Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.ca>  writes:
On 2013-11-10 03:22:14 +0000, "deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> said:

 On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 12:02:17 UTC, Michel Fortin wrote:
 Wouldn't it be better to concentrate efforts on making the official D 
 site and the forum interface multilingual? (and also incidentally add a 
 French forum here?) Then this system can be expanded to other languages 
 easily.

 
 The french translation of the site is hillarious right now. The 
 translator understand "native" as in native american. You must try it 
 is you understand some french.

I tried it. It's a useless gimmick. I've said so many years ago. I'd 
actually find it rather embarrassing to have a widget like this on my 
own site because I'd feel like I was giving some endorsement that 
totally ridiculous and for the most part unhelpful translation. That's 
definitely not what I want to see when I say the site should be 
multilingual.

The site should allow human translators to translate the content and 
make that translated content available to visitors (with a widget 
similar to the google one, or a menu on the side like on Wikipedia). 
That's not unlike what the PHP Manual is doing:
http://www.php.net/manual/en/pdostatement.fetch.php
http://www.php.net/manual/fr/pdostatement.fetch.php
http://www.php.net/manual/zh/pdostatement.fetch.php
http://www.php.net/manual/ja/pdostatement.fetch.php

Of course then you need people translating the content. But that won't 
come before there's some means to put these translations online as part 
of the site build process.

And finally the web forum should also allow the user to select its user 
interface language, and there should be a forum dedicated to 
discussions in French (and possibly others for other languages).

At least that's the way I'd make things welcoming for non-english speakers.

-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.fortin michelf.ca
http://michelf.ca

 Nov 10 2013

    =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com>  writes:
On 11/09/2013 04:02 AM, Michel Fortin wrote:

 Also, make sure you have a published lexicon for translated terms every
 one can base upon.

+1 Here is mine:

   http://ddili.org/sozluk.html

Ali

 Nov 10 2013

    Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net>  writes:
On 08/11/13 21:21, "Théo.B" <munrek gmx.com>" puremagic.com wrote:
 My main goal is promoting and translating resources about the technology (
 library reference, tutorials, and maybe ali's book ? ), and maintain a great
 place to start for all the beginners in programming, and also a great exchange
 spot for more experienced programmers.

 What we need now is nice and motivated guys to help me building the resources
 and organizating about future translations. If you speak french you are of
 course welcome to come ; even just exchanging on the forum would be a great
help
 for us.

Si j'ai bien compris, il existe un deuxième génération du logiciel des
forums et 
du site web de dlang.org, qui n'a jamais reçu une vrai épreuve.  Ça sera 
peut-être une bonne opportunité de réanimer le projet, plutôt qu'utiliser
les 
forums en PHP ... ?

(If I understand right, there's a second-generation version of the dlang.org 
website and forum software that has never actually been put into action.
Perhaps 
this would be a good opportunity to try it out, rather than using PHP-based 
forum software?)

Est-ce qu'il y a des outils qu'on peut utiliser pour faciliter le traduction
des 
ressources qui existaient déjà en anglais, par exemple le DDoc de Phobos?

 Please excuse my awful english, this is not my native language ( well this is
 not a reason, I'm just bad ).

Tu parles l'anglais comme une indigène.  C'est à nous anglophones de nous 
excuser pour le français terrible! ;-)

 Nov 09 2013

    =?UTF-8?B?IlRow6lv?= B" <munrek gmx.com>  writes:
On Saturday, 9 November 2013 at 12:23:53 UTC, Joseph Rushton 
Wakeling wrote:
 Si j'ai bien compris, il existe un deuxième génération du 
 logiciel des forums et du site web de dlang.org, qui n'a jamais 
 reçu une vrai épreuve.  Ça sera peut-être une bonne opportunité 
 de réanimer le projet, plutôt qu'utiliser les forums en PHP ... 
 ?

 (If I understand right, there's a second-generation version of 
 the dlang.org website and forum software that has never 
 actually been put into action. Perhaps this would be a good 
 opportunity to try it out, rather than using PHP-based forum 
 software?)

Didn't know.

 Tu parles l'anglais comme une indigène.  C'est à nous 
 anglophones de nous excuser pour le français terrible! ;-)

I'm not sure what do you mean :'/

 Nov 09 2013

    Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net>  writes:
On 09/11/13 14:29, "Théo.B" <munrek gmx.com>" puremagic.com wrote:
 Tu parles l'anglais comme une indigène.  C'est à nous anglophones de nous
 excuser pour le français terrible! ;-)

 I'm not sure what do you mean :'/

My point in a nutshell. :-)

 Nov 09 2013

    =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com>  writes:
On 11/09/2013 05:41 AM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
 On 09/11/13 14:29, "Théo.B" <munrek gmx.com>" puremagic.com wrote:
 Tu parles l'anglais comme une indigène.  C'est à nous anglophones de
 nous
 excuser pour le français terrible! ;-)

 I'm not sure what do you mean :'/

 My point in a nutshell. :-)

Prizeless! ;)

Ali

 Nov 10 2013

    Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net>  writes:
On 09/11/13 07:33, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
 I'm not French, but I lived in France and the French-speaking part of
 Switerzland for two years, so I'm fairly fluent (though it's been about 10
 years now, so I'm sure that my French is getting worse).

Really, where?  I lived in Fribourg for several years at about the same time ...

 Nov 09 2013

    Paulo Pinto <pjmlp progtools.org>  writes:
Am 09.11.2013 13:25, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling:
 On 09/11/13 07:33, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
 I'm not French, but I lived in France and the French-speaking part of
 Switerzland for two years, so I'm fairly fluent (though it's been
 about 10
 years now, so I'm sure that my French is getting worse).

 Really, where?  I lived in Fribourg for several years at about the same
 time ...

Me too! January 2003 - December 2004 in Geneva. :)

 Nov 09 2013

    Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com>  writes:
On Saturday, November 09, 2013 13:25:36 Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
 On 09/11/13 07:33, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
 I'm not French, but I lived in France and the French-speaking part =


of
 Switerzland for two years, so I'm fairly fluent (though it's been a=


bout 10
 years now, so I'm sure that my French is getting worse).

=20
 Really, where?  I lived in Fribourg for several years at about the sa=

me time
 ...

I was a missionary, and we got moved around few months, so it was sever=
al=20
places, though not Fribourg. However, I think that I did end up visitin=
g there=20
for a day at one point. Actually, IIRC, it was there that I saw someone=
=20
carrying a bag that said H=E2=82=82Eau, which I found quite funny, but =
then again I=20
really like puns. Anyway, from around December 2001 to October 2003, I =
lived=20
in

Annecy, France
Valence, France
Vevey, Switzerland
Lausanne, Switzerland
Montb=C3=A9liard, France
Dijon, France
La Chaux-de-Fonds, Switzerland

You know, it always feels funny to see or type Switzerland, because I'm=
 so=20
used to Suisse (which is also easier to remember how to spell).

- Jonathan M Davis

 Nov 09 2013

    Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net>  writes:
On 09/11/13 19:32, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
 You know, it always feels funny to see or type Switzerland, because I'm so
 used to Suisse (which is also easier to remember how to spell).

Yea, I often get the same feeling, though more often with city names than 
countries (it's something to do with how much one has used one name compared to 
others).

I don't know what denomination your missionary work was on behalf of, but I do 
remember there being a noticeable US missionary presence during that time in 
Fribourg.  So even if we never overlapped, I may have met some of your 
colleagues :-)

 Nov 10 2013