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digitalmars.D - D comes in rank 43 in TIOBE !

reply Vinod K Chandran <kcvinu82 gmail.com> writes:
D's TIOBE rank is 43. Take a look.
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
Aug 05 2021
next sibling parent reply jfondren <julian.fondren gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:20:14 UTC, Vinod K Chandran 
wrote:

 D's TIOBE rank is 43. Take a look.
 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/


It was at rank 23 a year ago:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200811123526/https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
Aug 05 2021
next sibling parent reply jfondren <julian.fondren gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 19:06:31 UTC, jfondren wrote:

 On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:20:14 UTC, Vinod K Chandran 
 wrote:

 D's TIOBE rank is 43. Take a look.
 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/


 It was at rank 23 a year ago:
 https://web.archive.org/web/20200811123526/https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/


Without comment, I guess this is easily read as negative. I just 
mean that 43 isn't worth celebrating. I don't think 23 was worth 
celebrating either. In the top 20 are "Classic Visual Basic", 
"Assembly Language", SQL, PHP. At 43, D has fallen below COBOL, 
"Ladder Logic", Logo, and Ada. Should I conclude that Logo might 
be a better language to write my next project in?

Changes in the top 3 or top 5 languages of this index could be 
exciting to follow, but even by the top 10 it's hard to see a lot 
of meaning in the placements.
Aug 05 2021
parent reply Tejas <notrealemail gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 19:30:32 UTC, jfondren wrote:

 On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 19:06:31 UTC, jfondren wrote:

 [...]


 Without comment, I guess this is easily read as negative. I 
 just mean that 43 isn't worth celebrating. I don't think 23 was 
 worth celebrating either. In the top 20 are "Classic Visual 
 Basic", "Assembly Language", SQL, PHP. At 43, D has fallen 
 below COBOL, "Ladder Logic", Logo, and Ada. Should I conclude 
 that Logo might be a better language to write my next project 
 in?

 Changes in the top 3 or top 5 languages of this index could be 
 exciting to follow, but even by the top 10 it's hard to see a 
 lot of meaning in the placements.


But people keep saying that annual compiler downloads are at an 
all time high... then how?
Aug 05 2021
parent reply singingbush <singingbush hotmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 20:03:01 UTC, Tejas wrote:

 On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 19:30:32 UTC, jfondren wrote:

 On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 19:06:31 UTC, jfondren wrote:

 [...]


 Without comment, I guess this is easily read as negative. I 
 just mean that 43 isn't worth celebrating. I don't think 23 
 was worth celebrating either. In the top 20 are "Classic 
 Visual Basic", "Assembly Language", SQL, PHP. At 43, D has 
 fallen below COBOL, "Ladder Logic", Logo, and Ada. Should I 
 conclude that Logo might be a better language to write my next 
 project in?

 Changes in the top 3 or top 5 languages of this index could be 
 exciting to follow, but even by the top 10 it's hard to see a 
 lot of meaning in the placements.


 But people keep saying that annual compiler downloads are at an 
 all time high... then how?


That's just CI builds
Aug 05 2021
next sibling parent reply Tejas <notrealemail gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 20:05:00 UTC, singingbush wrote:

 On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 20:03:01 UTC, Tejas wrote:

 On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 19:30:32 UTC, jfondren wrote:

 [...]


 But people keep saying that annual compiler downloads are at 
 an all time high... then how?


 That's just CI builds


;_;

Oh well, atleast it is higher than Nim(for now)
Aug 05 2021
parent Vinod K Chandran <kcvinu82 gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 20:10:09 UTC, Tejas wrote:


 Oh well, atleast it is higher than Nim(for now)


Yes and they are celebrating bcause, it's in the top 50.
Aug 06 2021
prev sibling parent Dylan Graham <dylan.graham2000 gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 20:05:00 UTC, singingbush wrote:

 On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 20:03:01 UTC, Tejas wrote:

 On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 19:30:32 UTC, jfondren wrote:

 [...]


 But people keep saying that annual compiler downloads are at 
 an all time high... then how?


 That's just CI builds


I thought those were excluded from the download graphs
Aug 05 2021
prev sibling parent Vinod K Chandran <kcvinu82 gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 19:06:31 UTC, jfondren wrote:

 On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:20:14 UTC, Vinod K Chandran 
 wrote:

 D's TIOBE rank is 43. Take a look.
 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/


 It was at rank 23 a year ago:
 https://web.archive.org/web/20200811123526/https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/


Oh, that's sad.
Aug 06 2021
prev sibling next sibling parent reply pilger <abcd dcba.com> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:20:14 UTC, Vinod K Chandran 
wrote:

 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/


the tiobe index measures the popularity of programming languages 
based on the number of search engine queries. i find this index 
to be more close to reality:

https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2021/08/05/language-rankings-6-21/
Aug 05 2021
next sibling parent Dylan Graham <dylan.graham2000 gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 22:47:03 UTC, pilger wrote:

 On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:20:14 UTC, Vinod K Chandran 
 wrote:

 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/


 the tiobe index measures the popularity of programming 
 languages based on the number of search engine queries. i find 
 this index to be more close to reality:

 https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2021/08/05/language-rankings-6-21/


D's community doesn't use StackOverflow often, which biases that 
index against D.

Honestly, I think these indices are simple and silly - it's not 
worth worrying about them.
Aug 05 2021
prev sibling parent Vinod K Chandran <kcvinu82 gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 22:47:03 UTC, pilger wrote:

 On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:20:14 UTC, Vinod K Chandran 
 wrote:

 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/


 the tiobe index measures the popularity of programming 
 languages based on the number of search engine queries. i find 
 this index to be more close to reality:

 https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2021/08/05/language-rankings-6-21/


That's promising. D is in a middle position. When we say 
popularity, one thing to remember is, everybody is attracted to 
web programming. So that kind of languages attracts more people. 
There is only a few people interested in system programming. So a 
system programming language's popularity could be low. Nothing to 
worry about that.
Aug 06 2021
prev sibling next sibling parent Brian Tiffin <btiffin gnu.org> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:20:14 UTC, Vinod K Chandran 
wrote:

 D's TIOBE rank is 43. Take a look.
 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/


Opinion piece from an old guy...

This particular popularity rating is rather tightly focused.

*Real life work* is rarely discussed on the internet.  Tiobe 
captures an internet number.

Take the COBOL number.  Stackoverflow, github, the internet in 
general.  That is almost all personal computer COBOL.  PC COBOL 
is a pittance of total COBOL programmer time.  Teenie pittance.

People developing code for banks, government, military, 
insurance, medical, (name a business that isn't a web business or 
a science) *do not* talk about it in public forums.  They don't 
post questions about how to best sort income tax totals when 
working for the tax collector.  They do not discuss how to best 
catch bad guys trying to cheat on an insurance claim.  Where most 
of the actual world's money flows, is not discussed in public.  
Things like COBOL manage a lot of that flow.  Not discussed on 
StackOverflow and the projects are **never** on GitHub.  A fair 
amount of Java gets discussed, because Java shows up on public 
wire facing applications more often.  Corporate Java, not so much.

Use Tiobe, redmonks, and popcons of all sorts, to help plan and 
develop a career in web programming or open fields like science, 
or free software compilers and utilities.

Other than that, these stats have very little bearing on the 
world at large.  It only reflects the programming world we see on 
the internet.  That's a big world, surely, but the real world is 
orders of magnitude larger.  *Orders of magnitude*.

There are estimates of 750 million office workers that have 
written macros for Excel.  And what, 20 to 30 million 
professional programmers?  Maybe a million writing free or open 
source software that we all talk about on forums and Q&A sites.  
The Tiobe number reflects that fractional million, not the other 
29, let alone the 750.

Try it; *actually, don't*, go to a bank and ask them what 
operating system they use for core business data. That 
information will be treated as a trade secret.  The clerk will 
likely call security if you pry too hard.  Ask a comptroller how 
much they spent on licensing for Oracle last year, and you will 
likely be treated with great suspicion, possibly as a corporate 
spy.

Bank A is not going to let Bank B know how many lines of COBOL 
they have.  Or C, or D, or MUMPS, or Java, or Pascal, or Perl, or 
...  Well, until they get caught with a huge breach and need a 
scapegoat (and we all know that most public facing code is rock 
solid secure code, right? \[sarc\]).

Having said that:

Do discuss D, open projects on the hub, and ask questions on Q&A 
sites, because that will bump up the internet version of the 
numbers of what humans are using computer languages for.  We only 
get to see the public wire facing software numbers; a small 
fraction of the world spinning total. The Tiobe numbers might as 
well be D numbers. Help lead people to a Bright-er future, 
perhaps Alexandrescu-e a few people.   *Sorry, gentlemen; old 
guy, lame dad jokes are the best kinda jokes*.

Have good, make well.
Aug 06 2021
prev sibling next sibling parent reply zjh <fqbqrr 163.com> writes:
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:20:14 UTC, Vinod K Chandran 
wrote:

 D's TIOBE rank is 43. Take a look.


I just want to see `D's` obvious progress.
Aug 06 2021
parent Bastiaan Veelo <Bastiaan Veelo.net> writes:
On Friday, 6 August 2021 at 09:51:19 UTC, zjh wrote:

 On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:20:14 UTC, Vinod K Chandran 
 wrote:

 D's TIOBE rank is 43. Take a look.


 I just want to see `D's` obvious progress.


D’s obvious progress is 
[here](https://dlang.org/changelog/index.html)! Seriously though, 
D’s Changelog excites me way more than any index.

— Bastiaan.
Aug 06 2021
prev sibling parent reply Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy gmail.com> writes:
And that's the only one that matters.

Honestly, if you like D, use it. If you don't, don't use it. Your loss.

-Steve
Aug 06 2021
next sibling parent Vinod K Chandran <kcvinu82 gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 6 August 2021 at 11:42:49 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer 
wrote:

 And that's the only one that matters.

 Honestly, if you like D, use it. If you don't, don't use it. 
 Your loss.

 -Steve


Yeah, that's right. That's why I am using D.
Aug 06 2021
prev sibling parent "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 07:42:49AM -0400, Steven Schveighoffer via
Digitalmars-d wrote:

 And that's the only one that matters.
 
 Honestly, if you like D, use it. If you don't, don't use it. Your
 loss.


[...]


here. :-D


T

-- 
People who are more than casually interested in computers should have at least
some idea of what the underlying hardware is like. Otherwise the programs they
write will be pretty weird. -- D. Knuth
Aug 06 2021