digitalmars.D - D blog?
- Joakim (35/35) Jul 14 2014 I've been thinking about setting one up: any interest in having
- Jesse Phillips (6/10) Jul 14 2014 Well, I don't know what you'll get out of it that isn't already
- Joseph Rushton Wakeling via Digitalmars-d (4/7) Jul 14 2014 I think Joakim is suggesting an official blog that speaks on behalf of t...
- Joakim (5/16) Jul 14 2014 Yeah, that's a feed of D-related posts by people who already have
- Peter Alexander (8/12) Jul 14 2014 To be honest, even if the only contribution was to announce
- Jesse Phillips (11/13) Jul 14 2014 This is my question, what do you expect people to contribute?
- Joakim (19/33) Jul 15 2014 Anything that would help generate and maintain interest in the
- Mike Parker (12/17) Jul 15 2014 I would happily contribute. I always wanted to do more with my D blog
- Kiith-Sa (17/51) Jul 15 2014 Planet D is not something that a non-D user would even notice. If
- Kiith-Sa (3/3) Jul 15 2014 Just noticed this:
- Dicebot (4/7) Jul 16 2014 Huge amount of non-interesting effort. There was someone trying
I've been thinking about setting one up: any interest in having an official blog or anybody contributing? It'd have to be a group effort, with various people writing or being interviewed. Here's my earlier forum post that motivated the idea: Yeah, D definitely needs better marketing. One of the reasons rails took off a decade ago is a conference video Hansson put out showing how easy it was to setup and build a small webapp with rails (probably this one or an earlier version? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzj723LkRJY). Nothing too technical, just showing off ease of use as a feature. D needs such stuff, whether written or videos. Take, for example, the article Walter wrote about component programming using UFCS, maybe the best article related to D: http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/component-programming-in-d/240008321 If Hansson or some other marketer were writing about the same topic, it'd be all whiz-bang chained one-liners with little technical motivation of the underlying language features. I prefer what Walter wrote, but many would prefer the latter, at least when first hearing about D. D needs both. One line of thought that's been evolving for me lately is that D needs a blog, where we can highlight good stuff about the language. Go has one: http://blog.golang.org/ This post should go on D's: http://forum.dlang.org/post/mailman.3738.1405098936.2907.digitalmars-d puremagic.com I could see H.S. Teoh writing a series of such posts, expanding on each of the bullet points. Right now, he'll throw something off on the forum and it'll get buried by all the posts on here, missed by most users. A blog is where such material could be highlighted. We even have a D blog engine built on vibe.d that we could put to use: https://github.com/rejectedsoftware/vibelog I'd be happy to administer such a blog, if it's a matter of someone volunteering.
Jul 14 2014
On Monday, 14 July 2014 at 18:41:53 UTC, Joakim wrote:I've been thinking about setting one up: any interest in having an official blog or anybody contributing? It'd have to be a group effort, with various people writing or being interviewed. Here's my earlier forum post that motivated the idea:Well, I don't know what you'll get out of it that isn't already there with Planet D: http://planet.dsource.org/ Maybe it could be a place for people to blog for those who don't have a place to do so.
Jul 14 2014
Joseph Rushton Wakeling via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> On 14/07/14 21:13, Jesse Phillips via Digitalmars-d wrote:Well, I don't know what you'll get out of it that isn't already there with Planet D: http://planet.dsource.org/I think Joakim is suggesting an official blog that speaks on behalf of the D programming language, which is a bit different from simply aggregating individual people's blogs related to D.
Jul 14 2014
On Monday, 14 July 2014 at 19:13:25 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote:On Monday, 14 July 2014 at 18:41:53 UTC, Joakim wrote:Yeah, that's a feed of D-related posts by people who already have their own blogs, whereas I'm asking about having an official blog on dlang.org and how much interest there is from others to contribute to one.I've been thinking about setting one up: any interest in having an official blog or anybody contributing? It'd have to be a group effort, with various people writing or being interviewed. Here's my earlier forum post that motivated the idea:Well, I don't know what you'll get out of it that isn't already there with Planet D: http://planet.dsource.org/ Maybe it could be a place for people to blog for those who don't have a place to do so.
Jul 14 2014
On Monday, 14 July 2014 at 19:41:19 UTC, Joakim wrote:Yeah, that's a feed of D-related posts by people who already have their own blogs, whereas I'm asking about having an official blog on dlang.org and how much interest there is from others to contribute to one.To be honest, even if the only contribution was to announce releases, I think it would be worthwhile. It would also be good to announce conferences, and major upcoming changes or forum discussions. I think evangelistic articles that show off the language are better on personal blogs. There's too much inherent bias on an official blog for it to carry weight there.
Jul 14 2014
On Monday, 14 July 2014 at 19:41:19 UTC, Joakim wrote:whereas I'm asking about having an official blog on dlang.org and how much interest there is from others to contribute to one.This is my question, what do you expect people to contribute? Release announcements are obvious. Would it mimic D.announce? Is it for the language developers to blog about what is in later releases? My point about Planet D is that it provides a means for anyone to contribute any content and is already followed by many, and it shows a low participation in blogging. An official blog would require another lieutenant to manage what is the "official" blog content. Having that would be great, but having a blog without the lieutenant isn't great.
Jul 14 2014
On Tuesday, 15 July 2014 at 00:41:12 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote:On Monday, 14 July 2014 at 19:41:19 UTC, Joakim wrote:Anything that would help generate and maintain interest in the language, announcements are the least of it. Take a look at the Go blog. I already mentioned taking posts like H.S. Teoh's and highlighting and expanding on them. Another possibility I mentioned is putting up interviews with developers, where they could talk about future directions or what they like about D. Interviews are relatively easy to crank out over email but are usually informative. The more people get involved from the community, the easier it will be to keep it active.whereas I'm asking about having an official blog on dlang.org and how much interest there is from others to contribute to one.This is my question, what do you expect people to contribute? Release announcements are obvious. Would it mimic D.announce? Is it for the language developers to blog about what is in later releases?My point about Planet D is that it provides a means for anyone to contribute any content and is already followed by many, and it shows a low participation in blogging.The focus of an official blog would be different and could have a couple people driving it to keep participation consistent. We need to remedy that "low participation."An official blog would require another lieutenant to manage what is the "official" blog content. Having that would be great, but having a blog without the lieutenant isn't great.I've offered to administer it. That means either just technically setting the app up and maintaining it or managing and generating posts, or both, whatever's necessary. The question is whether others think we need an official blog, and if so, would they contribute?
Jul 15 2014
On 7/15/2014 7:17 PM, Joakim wrote:I've offered to administer it. That means either just technically setting the app up and maintaining it or managing and generating posts, or both, whatever's necessary. The question is whether others think we need an official blog, and if so, would they contribute?I would happily contribute. I always wanted to do more with my D blog and actually ran a few interviews on it a long while ago. Never had the energy to do more than keep up with announcements, though, in the long run. I think an official blog with even just a handful of regular contributors would be a fantastic thing. Having a few people writing posts helps to overcome the stagnation that can easily creep in on a one man show. While Planet D is useful, an aggregator is not in itself a blog with the "official" stamp. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Jul 15 2014
On Tuesday, 15 July 2014 at 10:17:26 UTC, Joakim wrote:On Tuesday, 15 July 2014 at 00:41:12 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote:Planet D is not something that a non-D user would even notice. If we have an "official" blog it should be prominent on dlang.org (i.e. linked both from the sidebar *and* the front page). One thing that such a blog may be useful would be more in-depth articles about any new releases that appear (e.g. 'history' of new features, what problems those features solve, etc.). Also, perhaps interviews with devs of major projects, interesting new projects (e.g. something that I found interesting lately - the Dash game engine project); but the blog shouln't be "everything" - only stuff interesting enough to show off e.g. on Reddit and important stuff like release. Maybe a monthly or so "D stats" post would be good as well (see http://commit-digest.org/issues/2014-05-11/ ). I'd like to contribute from time to time, when I have something that may be interesting enough, but in my case that's probably about once a year.On Monday, 14 July 2014 at 19:41:19 UTC, Joakim wrote:Anything that would help generate and maintain interest in the language, announcements are the least of it. Take a look at the Go blog. I already mentioned taking posts like H.S. Teoh's and highlighting and expanding on them. Another possibility I mentioned is putting up interviews with developers, where they could talk about future directions or what they like about D. Interviews are relatively easy to crank out over email but are usually informative. The more people get involved from the community, the easier it will be to keep it active.whereas I'm asking about having an official blog on dlang.org and how much interest there is from others to contribute to one.This is my question, what do you expect people to contribute? Release announcements are obvious. Would it mimic D.announce? Is it for the language developers to blog about what is in later releases?My point about Planet D is that it provides a means for anyone to contribute any content and is already followed by many, and it shows a low participation in blogging.The focus of an official blog would be different and could have a couple people driving it to keep participation consistent. We need to remedy that "low participation."An official blog would require another lieutenant to manage what is the "official" blog content. Having that would be great, but having a blog without the lieutenant isn't great.I've offered to administer it. That means either just technically setting the app up and maintaining it or managing and generating posts, or both, whatever's necessary. The question is whether others think we need an official blog, and if so, would they contribute?
Jul 15 2014
Just noticed this: http://blog.octayn.net/blog/2014/06/30/this-week-in-rust-54/ This is precisely the kind of thing we need.
Jul 15 2014
On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 01:34:58 UTC, Kiith-Sa wrote:Just noticed this: http://blog.octayn.net/blog/2014/06/30/this-week-in-rust-54/ This is precisely the kind of thing we need.Huge amount of non-interesting effort. There was someone trying to do similar digest for D but effort seems to have stalled and I can totally see why.
Jul 16 2014
On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 14:21:26 UTC, Dicebot wrote:On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 01:34:58 UTC, Kiith-Sa wrote:That was me. I ran into some ongoing school and life related issues on top of my current work. Right now all I have time for is some intermittent hacking in D, but I still do intend to get something going within the next few months. I think a monthly digest of news would be perfect for such a blog format.Just noticed this: http://blog.octayn.net/blog/2014/06/30/this-week-in-rust-54/ This is precisely the kind of thing we need.Huge amount of non-interesting effort. There was someone trying to do similar digest for D but effort seems to have stalled and I can totally see why.
Jul 16 2014
On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 16:04:32 UTC, Meta wrote:On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 14:21:26 UTC, Dicebot wrote:Can you post a link to those posts?On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 01:34:58 UTC, Kiith-Sa wrote:That was me. I ran into some ongoing school and life related issues on top of my current work. Right now all I have time for is some intermittent hacking in D, but I still do intend to get something going within the next few months. I think a monthly digest of news would be perfect for such a blog format.Just noticed this: http://blog.octayn.net/blog/2014/06/30/this-week-in-rust-54/ This is precisely the kind of thing we need.Huge amount of non-interesting effort. There was someone trying to do similar digest for D but effort seems to have stalled and I can totally see why.
Jul 16 2014
On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 17:00:16 UTC, Kiith-Sa wrote:On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 16:04:32 UTC, Meta wrote:http://forum.dlang.org/post/hjrrbeelwkbnhkbdmlfj forum.dlang.orgOn Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 14:21:26 UTC, Dicebot wrote:Can you post a link to those posts?On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 01:34:58 UTC, Kiith-Sa wrote:That was me. I ran into some ongoing school and life related issues on top of my current work. Right now all I have time for is some intermittent hacking in D, but I still do intend to get something going within the next few months. I think a monthly digest of news would be perfect for such a blog format.Just noticed this: http://blog.octayn.net/blog/2014/06/30/this-week-in-rust-54/ This is precisely the kind of thing we need.Huge amount of non-interesting effort. There was someone trying to do similar digest for D but effort seems to have stalled and I can totally see why.
Jul 16 2014
On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 19:00:42 UTC, Meta wrote:On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 17:00:16 UTC, Kiith-Sa wrote:Thanks. I'm thinking about trying something similar but probably much less "professional", not regular, not focused on DMD/Phobos itself etc. (Of course, whether I actually end up doing it depends on time, I'm in a university too)On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 16:04:32 UTC, Meta wrote:http://forum.dlang.org/post/hjrrbeelwkbnhkbdmlfj forum.dlang.orgOn Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 14:21:26 UTC, Dicebot wrote:Can you post a link to those posts?On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 01:34:58 UTC, Kiith-Sa wrote:That was me. I ran into some ongoing school and life related issues on top of my current work. Right now all I have time for is some intermittent hacking in D, but I still do intend to get something going within the next few months. I think a monthly digest of news would be perfect for such a blog format.Just noticed this: http://blog.octayn.net/blog/2014/06/30/this-week-in-rust-54/ This is precisely the kind of thing we need.Huge amount of non-interesting effort. There was someone trying to do similar digest for D but effort seems to have stalled and I can totally see why.
Jul 16 2014
On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 14:21:26 UTC, Dicebot wrote:On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 at 01:34:58 UTC, Kiith-Sa wrote:It serves as a single, compact source with quick access to what happened in the last $TIME_PERIOD and make it visible for people outside of the core community (can be put on reddit, hackernews, etc.). It is much more "interesting" that having to search the newsgroup or GitHub for news. I think the main important thing is "what happened in the community", i.e. projects, articles/books/tutorials and such; for presenting D news (again, outside of core community) 1 digest with links is better than 10 small announcements for niche projects. Data such as 'new committers', etc is much less useful. What is useful is mentioning big feature changes going to the next release or fixes to major bugs.Just noticed this: http://blog.octayn.net/blog/2014/06/30/this-week-in-rust-54/ This is precisely the kind of thing we need.Huge amount of non-interesting effort. There was someone trying to do similar digest for D but effort seems to have stalled and I can totally see why.
Jul 16 2014