• Yuxuan Shui (3/3) Sep 12 2020 Rust is doing their annually survey for 2020 currently. Could the
• aberba (2/5) Sep 12 2020 +1
• Abdulhaq (2/5) Sep 13 2020 Build it and they will come.
• Yuxuan Shui (3/9) Sep 13 2020 Not sure what you mean. I'd rather see an official Dlang survey
• Abdulhaq (7/17) Sep 13 2020 OK how about this then: the team are very busy so you could do
• Jackel (9/27) Sep 13 2020 There was a survey a while back but I don't really think anything
• Seb (16/47) Sep 13 2020 The individual free-text answers are here:
• Abdulhaq (7/10) Sep 14 2020 If the purpose of the survey was to guide the lead team, then yes
• Dennis (4/8) Sep 14 2020 +1.
• WebFreak001 (4/12) Sep 14 2020 +2, I don't think the lead team really needs to acknowledge it
• Martin Tschierschke (2/17) Sep 14 2020 + 3 :-)
• bachmeier (4/12) Sep 14 2020 I don't think there's any reason to have an *official* survey
• Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= (2/6) Sep 14 2020 But put it on the dlang front page to get somewhat less bias.
• aberba (2/17) Sep 14 2020 Hmm...the leadership.
• ryuukk_ (7/25) Sep 13 2020 a survey need lot of participant to be relevant, independent move

Yuxuan Shui <yshuiv7 gmail.com> writes:

Rust is doing their annually survey for 2020 currently. Could the 
D community do something similar? Or is there already one that I 
am not aware of?

aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 12 September 2020 at 12:03:18 UTC, Yuxuan Shui wrote:
 Rust is doing their annually survey for 2020 currently. Could 
 the D community do something similar? Or is there already one 
 that I am not aware of?

+1

Abdulhaq <alynch4047 gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 12 September 2020 at 12:03:18 UTC, Yuxuan Shui wrote:
 Rust is doing their annually survey for 2020 currently. Could 
 the D community do something similar? Or is there already one 
 that I am not aware of?

Build it and they will come.

Yuxuan Shui <yshuiv7 gmail.com> writes:

On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 07:21:53 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 On Saturday, 12 September 2020 at 12:03:18 UTC, Yuxuan Shui 
 wrote:
 Rust is doing their annually survey for 2020 currently. Could 
 the D community do something similar? Or is there already one 
 that I am not aware of?

 Build it and they will come.

Not sure what you mean. I'd rather see an official Dlang survey 
conducted by the team.

Abdulhaq <alynch4047 gmail.com> writes:

On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 09:05:35 UTC, Yuxuan Shui wrote:
 On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 07:21:53 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 On Saturday, 12 September 2020 at 12:03:18 UTC, Yuxuan Shui 
 wrote:
 Rust is doing their annually survey for 2020 currently. Could 
 the D community do something similar? Or is there already one 
 that I am not aware of?

 Build it and they will come.

 Not sure what you mean. I'd rather see an official Dlang survey 
 conducted by the team.

OK how about this then: the team are very busy so you could do 
this for them, but maybe you're not sure what questions to ask. I 
propose you think of 10 - 15 questions and post them here, ask 
for suggested amendments / additions. Wait a few days for replies 
then set up the survey yourself, I think (hope) lots of people 
will respond.

Jackel <jackel894_394 gmail.com> writes:

On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 09:21:52 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 09:05:35 UTC, Yuxuan Shui wrote:
 On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 07:21:53 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 On Saturday, 12 September 2020 at 12:03:18 UTC, Yuxuan Shui 
 wrote:
 Rust is doing their annually survey for 2020 currently. 
 Could the D community do something similar? Or is there 
 already one that I am not aware of?

 Build it and they will come.

 Not sure what you mean. I'd rather see an official Dlang 
 survey conducted by the team.

 OK how about this then: the team are very busy so you could do 
 this for them, but maybe you're not sure what questions to ask. 
 I propose you think of 10 - 15 questions and post them here, 
 ask for suggested amendments / additions. Wait a few days for 
 replies then set up the survey yourself, I think (hope) lots of 
 people will respond.

There was a survey a while back but I don't really think anything 
came out of it.

https://rawgit.com/wilzbach/state-of-d/master/report.html

Of the top 5 "features that you miss", zero have been implemented 
in the time since. And in regards to struct initialization, 
almost regressed with DIP1031.

The information gathered wasn't used to any meaningful way to 
direct project efforts, IIRC.

Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:

On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 16:58:30 UTC, Jackel wrote:
 On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 09:21:52 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 09:05:35 UTC, Yuxuan Shui 
 wrote:
 On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 07:21:53 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 On Saturday, 12 September 2020 at 12:03:18 UTC, Yuxuan Shui 
 wrote:
 Rust is doing their annually survey for 2020 currently. 
 Could the D community do something similar? Or is there 
 already one that I am not aware of?

 Build it and they will come.

 Not sure what you mean. I'd rather see an official Dlang 
 survey conducted by the team.

 OK how about this then: the team are very busy so you could do 
 this for them, but maybe you're not sure what questions to 
 ask. I propose you think of 10 - 15 questions and post them 
 here, ask for suggested amendments / additions. Wait a few 
 days for replies then set up the survey yourself, I think 
 (hope) lots of people will respond.

 There was a survey a while back but I don't really think 
 anything came out of it.

 https://rawgit.com/wilzbach/state-of-d/master/report.html

The individual free-text answers are here:

https://github.com/wilzbach/state-of-d-2018

 Of the top 5 "features that you miss", zero have been 
 implemented in the time since. And in regards to struct 
 initialization, almost regressed with DIP1031.

Don't forget that we got at least one of the top 10 features 
(assert diagnostics - https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/8517).

Also, I gave up my PR on struct initialization 
(https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/8460) as I believe having a 
unified solution with named arguments is better for the language 
(see e.g. 
https://github.com/dlang/DIPs/blob/master/DIPs/DIP1030.md).

 The information gathered wasn't used to any meaningful way to 
 direct project efforts, IIRC.

Yes, leadership ignored it almost completely.
As a simple example to show what happened, they decided to focus 
on "fast code, fast" (community was 
https://github.com/wilzbach/state-of-d-2018/blob/master/15a:%20How%20would%20you%20describe%20D%20in%20three%20words%3F).

 Not sure what you mean. I'd rather see an official Dlang survey 
 conducted by the team.

There are no plans to do another state of D survey as the last 
one failed spectacularly (i.e. information was actively ignored).

Abdulhaq <alynch4047 gmail.com> writes:

On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 21:13:28 UTC, Seb wrote:

 There are no plans to do another state of D survey as the last 
 one failed spectacularly (i.e. information was actively 
 ignored).

If the purpose of the survey was to guide the lead team, then yes 
it failed. If the purpose of the survey was to get a picture of 
where the D community stands on various issues, then it was a 
great success. I noticed that 500 people responded to that 
survey, which is very good and leads to statistically significant 
information.

Dennis <dkorpel gmail.com> writes:

On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 07:12:17 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 If the purpose of the survey was to guide the lead team, then 
 yes it failed. If the purpose of the survey was to get a 
 picture of where the D community stands on various issues, then 
 it was a great success.

+1.

I'm sorry to hear that Seb experiences it as a failure, because I 
really enjoyed both filling it in and reading the results.

WebFreak001 <d.forum webfreak.org> writes:

On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 10:24:04 UTC, Dennis wrote:
 On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 07:12:17 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 If the purpose of the survey was to guide the lead team, then 
 yes it failed. If the purpose of the survey was to get a 
 picture of where the D community stands on various issues, 
 then it was a great success.

 +1.

 I'm sorry to hear that Seb experiences it as a failure, because 
 I really enjoyed both filling it in and reading the results.

+2, I don't think the lead team really needs to acknowledge it 
that much, it's much more useful for the community and I love it 
for that!

Martin Tschierschke <mt smartdolphin.de> writes:

On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 11:10:01 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:
 On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 10:24:04 UTC, Dennis wrote:
 On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 07:12:17 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 If the purpose of the survey was to guide the lead team, then 
 yes it failed. If the purpose of the survey was to get a 
 picture of where the D community stands on various issues, 
 then it was a great success.

 +1.

 I'm sorry to hear that Seb experiences it as a failure, 
 because I really enjoyed both filling it in and reading the 
 results.

 +2, I don't think the lead team really needs to acknowledge it 
 that much, it's much more useful for the community and I love 
 it for that!

+ 3 :-)

bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:

On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 10:24:04 UTC, Dennis wrote:
 On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 07:12:17 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 If the purpose of the survey was to guide the lead team, then 
 yes it failed. If the purpose of the survey was to get a 
 picture of where the D community stands on various issues, 
 then it was a great success.

 +1.

 I'm sorry to hear that Seb experiences it as a failure, because 
 I really enjoyed both filling it in and reading the results.

I don't think there's any reason to have an *official* survey 
just to see what people say. Anyone else can do that by doing the 
same things they did. I'm sure there will be plenty of responses.

Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= <ola.fosheim.grostad gmail.com> writes:

On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 14:07:06 UTC, bachmeier wrote:
 I don't think there's any reason to have an *official* survey 
 just to see what people say. Anyone else can do that by doing 
 the same things they did. I'm sure there will be plenty of 
 responses.

But put it on the dlang front page to get somewhat less bias.

aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:

On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 21:13:28 UTC, Seb wrote:
 On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 16:58:30 UTC, Jackel wrote:
 [...]


 [...]

 Don't forget that we got at least one of the top 10 features 
 (assert diagnostics - https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/8517).

 Also, I gave up my PR on struct initialization 
 (https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/8460) as I believe having a 
 unified solution with named arguments is better for the 
 language (see e.g. 
 https://github.com/dlang/DIPs/blob/master/DIPs/DIP1030.md).

 [...]

 Yes, leadership ignored it almost completely.
 As a simple example to show what happened, they decided to 
 focus on "fast code, fast" (community was 
 https://github.com/wilzbach/state-of-d-2018/blob/master/15a:%20How%20would%20you%20describe%20D%20in%20three%20words%3F).

Hmm...the leadership.

ryuukk_ <ryuukk_ gmail.com> writes:

On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 09:21:52 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 09:05:35 UTC, Yuxuan Shui wrote:
 On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 07:21:53 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
 On Saturday, 12 September 2020 at 12:03:18 UTC, Yuxuan Shui 
 wrote:
 Rust is doing their annually survey for 2020 currently. 
 Could the D community do something similar? Or is there 
 already one that I am not aware of?

 Build it and they will come.

 Not sure what you mean. I'd rather see an official Dlang 
 survey conducted by the team.

 OK how about this then: the team are very busy so you could do 
 this for them, but maybe you're not sure what questions to ask. 
 I propose you think of 10 - 15 questions and post them here, 
 ask for suggested amendments / additions. Wait a few days for 
 replies then set up the survey yourself, I think (hope) lots of 
 people will respond.

a survey need lot of participant to be relevant, independent move 
is bad because small people can't reach to a big audience

for survey to work you need:

- big voice
- big userbase

that's why Rust team is handling it, not rust user lambda