• Mike (14/14) Jan 31 2014 I was feeling a little creative this morning, and thought the D
• Martin Cejp (4/5) Feb 01 2014 Outdated syntax. You should use
• Asman01 (2/7) Feb 01 2014 Isn't this syntax discouraged/depracted now?
• Jesse Phillips (7/15) Feb 01 2014 alias this = foo;
• Dicebot (4/10) Feb 01 2014 This syntax was intended to only be used for normal aliases, not
• Brian Schott (6/20) Feb 01 2014 Do you have a citation for that? My understanding was that the
• Dicebot (2/2) Feb 01 2014 It was actually removed several releases ago
• Mike (12/14) Feb 01 2014 What a mess! I'm almost sorry I brought it up, but I'm glad I
• Dicebot (8/16) Feb 02 2014 Yes, but:
• Jesse Phillips (6/20) Feb 01 2014 Pretty sure "alias this" was actually a driving force. E.g
• Timon Gehr (4/9) Feb 01 2014 The syntax was actively removed.
• Jesse Phillips (20/34) Feb 02 2014 Yes, "actively"
• Timon Gehr (4/17) Feb 01 2014 Which is highly nonsensical and basically shows that alias this should
• deadalnix (2/16) Feb 01 2014 Because more syntax is always better !
• Mike (2/7) Feb 01 2014 Damn! Not sure the pun still works. Maybe it never did.
• Chris Cain (10/10) Feb 01 2014 I think this whole thread should be our slogan.
• anonymous (3/5) Feb 01 2014 The word's "deprecated" (de-prec-ate, not de-pre-she-ate).
• =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= (4/9) Feb 01 2014 New slogan: D'precated
• Chris Cain (4/9) Feb 01 2014 Yeah, I actually just right clicked the word for the correction
• Martin Cejp (4/14) Feb 01 2014 Wait for a few seconds (time for some Garbage Collection), add an
• Chris Cain (5/21) Feb 01 2014 Now we're just being mean. :p

"Mike" <none none.com> writes:

I was feeling a little creative this morning, and thought the D 
Programming Language effort could use a slogan:

alias {D Logo} this;

I hope the pun makes sense to someone other than me.

I did my best to create a D Logo SVG file and a few *.png files 
for the slogan.

It might be cool to use this for T-Shirts, pens, baseball caps, 
mugs, lingerie, etc... at DConf 2014.

https://github.com/JinShil/D_Images

Since I don't own the D Logo, I wasn't sure how to license it, so 
I didn't add any license.  If I've violated and 
copyright/license, please let me know.

Enjoy!
Mike

"Martin Cejp" <minexew gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 03:25:33 UTC, Mike wrote:
 alias {D Logo} this;

Outdated syntax. You should use
alias this = {D Logo};
instead.

"Asman01" <jckj33 gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 16:14:59 UTC, Martin Cejp wrote:
 On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 03:25:33 UTC, Mike wrote:
 alias {D Logo} this;

 Outdated syntax. You should use
 alias this = {D Logo};
 instead.

Isn't this syntax discouraged/depracted now?

"Jesse Phillips" <Jesse.K.Phillips+D gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 16:33:19 UTC, Asman01 wrote:
 On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 16:14:59 UTC, Martin Cejp wrote:
 On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 03:25:33 UTC, Mike wrote:
 alias {D Logo} this;

 Outdated syntax. You should use
 alias this = {D Logo};
 instead.

 Isn't this syntax discouraged/depracted now?

alias this = foo;

This is new syntax, has some edge cases which fail and intended 
to replace the old typedef style

alias Type NewName;

Such that it look more like variable assignment:

alias NewName = Type;

"Dicebot" <public dicebot.lv> writes:

On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 17:38:44 UTC, Jesse Phillips 
wrote:
 alias this = foo;

 This is new syntax, has some edge cases which fail and intended 
 to replace the old typedef style

 alias Type NewName;

 Such that it look more like variable assignment:

 alias NewName = Type;

This syntax was intended to only be used for normal aliases, not 
"alias this", and was supposed to be removed for latter.

"Brian Schott" <briancschott gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 18:44:42 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
 On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 17:38:44 UTC, Jesse Phillips 
 wrote:
 alias this = foo;

 This is new syntax, has some edge cases which fail and 
 intended to replace the old typedef style

 alias Type NewName;

 Such that it look more like variable assignment:

 alias NewName = Type;

 This syntax was intended to only be used for normal aliases, 
 not "alias this", and was supposed to be removed for latter.

Do you have a citation for that? My understanding was that the 
correct way was

'alias' identifier '=' type;

and that the old one was going to be removed because it was 
easier to confuse the type and its new name.

"Dicebot" <public dicebot.lv> writes:

It was actually removed several releases ago 
-https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/1413

"Mike" <none none.com> writes:

On Sunday, 2 February 2014 at 00:25:39 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
 It was actually removed several releases ago 
 -https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/1413

What a mess!  I'm almost sorry I brought it up, but I'm glad I 
did because I was just about to model a 1500 page ARM Cortex-M 
datasheet using the apparently "old" syntax.

So let me get this straight:
alias {type} this;               // only if using 'this'
alias {newType} = {existingType} // all others

So, does the language reference here 
(http://dlang.org/declaration.html#alias) need updating?

And do the aliases in object.di here 
(https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/blob/master/src/object.di) 
also need updating?

"Dicebot" <public dicebot.lv> writes:

On Sunday, 2 February 2014 at 03:23:22 UTC, Mike wrote:
 So let me get this straight:
 alias {type} this;               // only if using 'this'
 alias {newType} = {existingType} // all others

Yes, but:

1) not {newType} but {newSymbol} - alias does not create new types
2) alias {existingSymbol} {newSymbol} is also legal and not 
planned for deprecation so far

 So, does the language reference here 
 (http://dlang.org/declaration.html#alias) need updating?

Yes, looks like those don't mention new syntax.

 And do the aliases in object.di here 
 (https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/blob/master/src/object.di) 
 also need updating?

Not necessarily, old syntax is still legal. But in context of 
consistent style - yes, makes sense.

"Jesse Phillips" <Jesse.K.Phillips+D gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 18:44:42 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
 On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 17:38:44 UTC, Jesse Phillips 
 wrote:
 alias this = foo;

 This is new syntax, has some edge cases which fail and 
 intended to replace the old typedef style

 alias Type NewName;

 Such that it look more like variable assignment:

 alias NewName = Type;

 This syntax was intended to only be used for normal aliases, 
 not "alias this", and was supposed to be removed for latter.

Pretty sure "alias this" was actually a driving force. E.g

"You should use alias this?"

"How, I added alias this and it didn't compile?"

"The syntax 'alias TheThingToAlias this'"

"So not 'alias this' then."

Timon Gehr <timon.gehr gmx.ch> writes:

On 02/02/2014 01:21 AM, Jesse Phillips wrote:
 Pretty sure "alias this" was actually a driving force. E.g

 "You should use alias this?"

 "How, I added alias this and it didn't compile?"

 "The syntax 'alias TheThingToAlias this'"

 "So not 'alias this' then."

The syntax was actively removed.

https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/1413
https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/1685

"Jesse Phillips" <Jesse.K.Phillips+D gmail.com> writes:

On Sunday, 2 February 2014 at 00:26:44 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote:
 On 02/02/2014 01:21 AM, Jesse Phillips wrote:
 Pretty sure "alias this" was actually a driving force. E.g

 "You should use alias this?"

 "How, I added alias this and it didn't compile?"

 "The syntax 'alias TheThingToAlias this'"

 "So not 'alias this' then."

 The syntax was actively removed.

 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/1413
 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/1685

Yes, "actively"

"It'd do this community a lot of good if people would stop 
assuming malice when simple unawareness is far more likely. If 
there's issues that should block releases, those that are aware 
of the blockers really need to raise them. Don't assume that 
every pull request and every thread is read by those that need to 
see them."

Kenji was quite admit that it was a mistake, but not one person 
agreed. The closest: " 9rnsr I agree with removing the syntax for 
the time being." --Walter

I agree with Kenji that 'alias this' and 'alias symbol symbol' 
are different. I don't agree an entirely new (old) syntax needs 
to be used to distinguish them. I think it is syntactic overhead 
which provides no benefit.

Though I could agree, explaining: 'alias this : symbol' isn't too 
hard (this implicitly converses to symbol (i.e. it takes from the 
is() and template expressions)

Personally I really want the old alias syntax to vanish. I hate 
it, though I know it won't leave the language.

Timon Gehr <timon.gehr gmx.ch> writes:

On 02/01/2014 07:44 PM, Dicebot wrote:
 On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 17:38:44 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote:
 alias this = foo;

 This is new syntax, has some edge cases which fail and intended to
 replace the old typedef style

 alias Type NewName;

 Such that it look more like variable assignment:

 alias NewName = Type;

 This syntax was intended to only be used for normal aliases, not "alias
 this", and was supposed to be removed for latter.

Which is highly nonsensical and basically shows that alias this should 
have been done as a (or more than one) specially named member instead, 
as the syntactic pun appears not to be working.

"deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 18:44:42 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
 On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 17:38:44 UTC, Jesse Phillips 
 wrote:
 alias this = foo;

 This is new syntax, has some edge cases which fail and 
 intended to replace the old typedef style

 alias Type NewName;

 Such that it look more like variable assignment:

 alias NewName = Type;

 This syntax was intended to only be used for normal aliases, 
 not "alias this", and was supposed to be removed for latter.

Because more syntax is always better !

"Mike" <none none.com> writes:

On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 16:14:59 UTC, Martin Cejp wrote:
 On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 03:25:33 UTC, Mike wrote:
 alias {D Logo} this;

 Outdated syntax. You should use
 alias this = {D Logo};
 instead.

Damn!  Not sure the pun still works.  Maybe it never did.

"Chris Cain" <clcain uncg.edu> writes:

I think this whole thread should be our slogan.

Mike:
alias {D Logo} this;
Martin:
Outdated syntax. You should use
alias this = {D Logo};
instead.
Asman:
Isn't this syntax discouraged/depreciated now?

:D

"anonymous" <anonymous example.com> writes:

On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 18:06:47 UTC, Chris Cain wrote:
 Asman:
 Isn't this syntax discouraged/depreciated now?

The word's "deprecated" (de-prec-ate, not de-pre-she-ate).

(Asman actually wrote "depracted".)

=?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:

On 02/01/2014 10:26 AM, anonymous wrote:
 On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 18:06:47 UTC, Chris Cain wrote:
 Asman:
 Isn't this syntax discouraged/depreciated now?

 The word's "deprecated" (de-prec-ate, not de-pre-she-ate).

 (Asman actually wrote "depracted".)

New slogan: D'precated

I hope not. :p

Ali

"Chris Cain" <clcain uncg.edu> writes:

On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 18:26:15 UTC, anonymous wrote:
 On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 18:06:47 UTC, Chris Cain wrote:
 Asman:
 Isn't this syntax discouraged/depreciated now?

 The word's "deprecated" (de-prec-ate, not de-pre-she-ate).

 (Asman actually wrote "depracted".)

Yeah, I actually just right clicked the word for the correction 
and the i didn't register for whatever reason. Fwiw, I said the 
word correctly in my head

"Martin Cejp" <minexew gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 18:06:47 UTC, Chris Cain wrote:
 I think this whole thread should be our slogan.

 Mike:
 alias {D Logo} this;
 Martin:
 Outdated syntax. You should use
 alias this = {D Logo};
 instead.
 Asman:
 Isn't this syntax discouraged/depreciated now?

 :D

Wait for a few seconds (time for some Garbage Collection), add an 
11 kilobytes long mangled function name and a compiler crash, and 
you get a quite good representation of D :)

"Chris Cain" <clcain uncg.edu> writes:

On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 18:32:00 UTC, Martin Cejp wrote:
 On Saturday, 1 February 2014 at 18:06:47 UTC, Chris Cain wrote:
 I think this whole thread should be our slogan.

 Mike:
 alias {D Logo} this;
 Martin:
 Outdated syntax. You should use
 alias this = {D Logo};
 instead.
 Asman:
 Isn't this syntax discouraged/depreciated now?

 :D

 Wait for a few seconds (time for some Garbage Collection), add 
 an 11 kilobytes long mangled function name and a compiler 
 crash, and you get a quite good representation of D :)

Now we're just being mean. :p

D works great for me (it's just sometimes some of these 
discussions like this get me concerned over mostly trivial 
things).