digitalmars.D - DMD 2.111.0 - Now with more ImportC!
- Adam Wilson (52/52) Feb 25 During BeerConf this month I was finally able to deliver on a
- jmh530 (2/6) Feb 25 Cool. Might make for a good blog post.
- Mike Shah (2/6) Feb 25 Awesome work Adam and team!
- Dejan Lekic (3/8) Feb 26 Using ImportC _implies_ writing a "small tool" to make the output
- Adam Wilson (21/24) Feb 26 Not necessarily. If all you need is a quick import directly into
- Walter Bright (4/4) Feb 27 There will never be perfect translation from C to D, as semantics do dif...
- Walter Bright (1/1) Feb 27 Thank you, Adam!
During BeerConf this month I was finally able to deliver on a promise I made back at DConf 2023. The new ODBC 4.0 ImportC generated bindings have finally landed in Phobos! Why is this such a big deal? Because for the first time D will ship bindings for a major library that are generated using ImportC. This represents a major milestone on our long-term mission of being able to use ImportC to import bindings for all of our major Operating System targets. There will be more bugs to crush along the way, but ImportC has finally achieved production-grade quality usability. The final result is that out of nearly 2000 symbols, only two had to be hand-ported. One was a complex enum with multiple bitwise OR's. The other is a multi-line string enum. It is unlikely that either of these will be supported by ImportC in the near future. The process to reach this milestone involved crushing a number of bugs. And there are still a couple of bugs that need to be fixed to reach optimal conversion, one of which was an arcane lexer bug that Walter has already put out a PR for. Specifically they are: https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/20914 (Lexer skips to EoF when reading a 0.) https://github.com/dlang/dmd/issues/20911 (Forward Declared Structs are emitted with the struct and a "forward declaration" that conflicts.) There remains an outstanding issue with C union types not being able to be emitted into DI files, but this one is rather arcane and likely to require a complex solution, if possible at all. These bindings are generated using ImportC in conjunction with a small tool I developed (here: https://github.com/LightBender/odbc-d). Initially, I wrote the tool to work around bugs in ImportC, but as we've closed out those bugs that need has reduced. However, one use of the tool that does not appear likely to change is removing unwanted symbols. For example, in the canonical ODBC headers from Microsoft, there are symbols for optional Windows-specific and Visual Studio-specific capabilities that are unavailable across platforms. I was able to use the tool to remove these and it creates a much cleaner binding. Additionally, because ImportC modules were never intended to be written to files, the DI emitter for ImportC bindings emits a bunch of garbage that the importer generates. Using this tool I was able to circumvent those symbols. I would stress that the tool approach will not be useful for all cases as there are C header constructs that are not expressible in D. But in practice this appears to be a highly infrequent situation. If you have any questions about this process and the future of ImportC bindings (which will play a critical role in the future of DRT and Phobos) please ask away! In the mean time, my congratulations to Walter and the rest of the D compiler hackers who made the ImportC dream a practical reality!
Feb 25
jmh530 <john.michael.hall gmail.com> On Tuesday, 25 February 2025 at 09:04:49 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote:During BeerConf this month I was finally able to deliver on a promise I made back at DConf 2023. The new ODBC 4.0 ImportC generated bindings have finally landed in Phobos! [snip]Cool. Might make for a good blog post.
Feb 25
On Tuesday, 25 February 2025 at 09:04:49 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote:During BeerConf this month I was finally able to deliver on a promise I made back at DConf 2023. The new ODBC 4.0 ImportC generated bindings have finally landed in Phobos! [...]Awesome work Adam and team!
Feb 25
On Tuesday, 25 February 2025 at 09:04:49 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote:These bindings are generated using ImportC in conjunction with a small tool I developed (here: https://github.com/LightBender/odbc-d). Initially, I wrote the tool to work around bugs in ImportC, but as we've closed out those bugs that need has reduced.Using ImportC _implies_ writing a "small tool" to make the output somewhat useful. It will always be like that unfortunately...
Feb 26
On Wednesday, 26 February 2025 at 12:17:17 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:Using ImportC _implies_ writing a "small tool" to make the output somewhat useful. It will always be like that unfortunately...Not necessarily. If all you need is a quick import directly into the code, then ImportC works just fine. Sure the result has a bit of mess in it, but it's not like you have to see the mess, it's just there in the background. But if you do want something cleaner, then you'd be writing a tool in any case, but with ImportC the tool ends up being far simpler because ImportC does all of the lexing, parsing, and AST transforms. All we have to do is trim the inputs down to what we actually want, you'd be doing that with other tools as well. And while the tool is used to work around bugs, this serves as a way to isolate and reduce bugs to a minimal test case, which makes it easier to fix the bug, then once the bug is fixed you simply delete the fix from the tool. ImportC gives us options. If we need to quickly import something directly into the code ImportC supports that, even if what it generates is a little messy. But if you want to distribute bindings with your library, you write a simple tool that does the cleanups and runs ImportC. Either case has it's pro's and con's but both are supported. Nothing else can do that, which makes ImportC a superior tool.
Feb 26
There will never be perfect translation from C to D, as semantics do differ and there are endless nutburger C extensions. But ImportC shows that even with being imperfect, it is a tremendous improvement over manual conversion.
Feb 27