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reply aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
Has the DConf videos not been released yet? Jeez, this is not 
cool at all!! I'm not sure why but every conference on earth that 
is help to promote anything (IME) has it's videos released not 
more than some few days. That's not always the case for DConf 
since "forever".

I respect all good effort being put into it...but we need to work 
on this...it can't again happen next year.
May 29 2019
next sibling parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 29 May 2019 at 19:47:22 UTC, aberba wrote:

 Has the DConf videos not been released yet? Jeez, this is not 
 cool at all!! I'm not sure why but every conference on earth 
 that is help to promote anything (IME) has it's videos released 
 not more than some few days. That's not always the case for 
 DConf since "forever".

 I respect all good effort being put into it...but we need to 
 work on this...it can't again happen next year.


Patience, please. The video guy at the conference told me it 
would take about two weeks to get them all ready. I expect to 
hear from the company any day now.
May 29 2019
next sibling parent reply welkam <wwwelkam gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 29 May 2019 at 21:16:35 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 On Wednesday, 29 May 2019 at 19:47:22 UTC, aberba wrote:

 Has the DConf videos not been released yet? Jeez, this is not 
 cool at all!! I'm not sure why but every conference on earth 
 that is help to promote anything (IME) has it's videos 
 released not more than some few days. That's not always the 
 case for DConf since "forever".

 I respect all good effort being put into it...but we need to 
 work on this...it can't again happen next year.


 Patience, please. The video guy at the conference told me it 
 would take about two weeks to get them all ready. I expect to 
 hear from the company any day now.


is day 1 included? I cant find day 1 stream on youtube.
May 29 2019
parent reply Bastiaan Veelo <Bastiaan Veelo.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 29 May 2019 at 21:41:31 UTC, welkam wrote:

 On Wednesday, 29 May 2019 at 21:16:35 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 Patience, please. The video guy at the conference told me it 
 would take about two weeks to get them all ready. I expect to 
 hear from the company any day now.


 is day 1 included? I cant find day 1 stream on youtube.


As far as I know: yes. Day one was streamed on Webex, that’s why 
it isn’t on YouTube. The recordings were done with separate 
camera’s, should be decent when they come.

Bastiaan.
May 30 2019
parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 08:19:32 UTC, Bastiaan Veelo wrote:


 is day 1 included? I cant find day 1 stream on youtube.


 As far as I know: yes. Day one was streamed on Webex, that’s 
 why it isn’t on YouTube. The recordings were done with separate 
 camera’s, should be decent when they come.

 Bastiaan.


Yes, that's the case. I expect to hear that the videos are ready 
any day now.
May 30 2019
next sibling parent reply Guillaume Piolat <first.last gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 11:04:40 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 On Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 08:19:32 UTC, Bastiaan Veelo wrote:


 is day 1 included? I cant find day 1 stream on youtube.


 As far as I know: yes. Day one was streamed on Webex, that’s 
 why it isn’t on YouTube. The recordings were done with 
 separate camera’s, should be decent when they come.

 Bastiaan.


 Yes, that's the case. I expect to hear that the videos are 
 ready any day now.


May I suggest to remove the test videos and full-day videos on 
the D Foundation youtube channel?

I think they misrepresent the talks by giving a lesser experience 
right now, and people that watch the talks as is will not watch 
them again when the real videos are out.
May 30 2019
parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 11:19:00 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
re

 ready any day now.


 May I suggest to remove the test videos and full-day videos on 
 the D Foundation youtube channel?

 I think they misrepresent the talks by giving a lesser 
 experience right now, and people that watch the talks as is 
 will not watch them again when the real videos are out.


I deleted the test videos a while back. I don't see any there 
now. If I've overlooked any, please point them out.

The live streams should stay.
May 30 2019
prev sibling parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 11:04:40 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:


 I expect to hear that the videos are ready any day now.


I just got word that they should be finished rendering the final 
video on Friday. They'll provide me with a download link and I'll 
start uploading them this weekend.
May 30 2019
prev sibling next sibling parent reply ixid <nuaccount gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 29 May 2019 at 21:16:35 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 Patience, please. The video guy at the conference told me it 
 would take about two weeks to get them all ready. I expect to 
 hear from the company any day now.


This is too long a timeframe, people who are not already in D 
will have forgotten about the conference by now so it will fail 
to increase D's mindshare.
May 30 2019
parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 12:49:57 UTC, ixid wrote:

 On Wednesday, 29 May 2019 at 21:16:35 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 Patience, please. The video guy at the conference told me it 
 would take about two weeks to get them all ready. I expect to 
 hear from the company any day now.


 This is too long a timeframe, people who are not already in D 
 will have forgotten about the conference by now so it will fail 
 to increase D's mindshare.


I'll be using the videos in the months to come to promote the 
language on the blog and elsewhere. Publishing them on YouTube a 
few weeks after the conference won't affect that.

I appreciate that people are eager to see them, but if we want to 
have videos that are ready to go within a few days after a DConf 
ends, we're going to need to throw more money at a recording team 
to expedite their processing. I'd rather accept the delay and use 
the money elsewhere.
May 30 2019
next sibling parent reply Jonathan M Davis <newsgroup.d jmdavisprog.com> writes:
On Thursday, May 30, 2019 7:28:01 AM MDT Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d 
wrote:

 On Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 12:49:57 UTC, ixid wrote:

 On Wednesday, 29 May 2019 at 21:16:35 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 Patience, please. The video guy at the conference told me it
 would take about two weeks to get them all ready. I expect to
 hear from the company any day now.


 This is too long a timeframe, people who are not already in D
 will have forgotten about the conference by now so it will fail
 to increase D's mindshare.


 I'll be using the videos in the months to come to promote the
 language on the blog and elsewhere. Publishing them on YouTube a
 few weeks after the conference won't affect that.

 I appreciate that people are eager to see them, but if we want to
 have videos that are ready to go within a few days after a DConf
 ends, we're going to need to throw more money at a recording team
 to expedite their processing. I'd rather accept the delay and use
 the money elsewhere.


LOL. I've heard of conferences not getting their videos out until the next
conference rolls around. Some conferences _are_ super fast about it, but
from what I've seen, two or three weeks after a conference is far faster
than most. The ones who manage to get videos out really fast are incredibly
well organized and probably throw a lot of money at it. I can appreciate
people wanting the videos sooner, but it sounds like we're doing quite well
with them this year.

- Jonathan M Davis
May 30 2019
parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 18:18:11 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:


 LOL. I've heard of conferences not getting their videos out 
 until the next conference rolls around. Some conferences _are_ 
 super fast about it, but from what I've seen, two or three 
 weeks after a conference is far faster than most. The ones who 
 manage to get videos out really fast are incredibly well 
 organized and probably throw a lot of money at it. I can 
 appreciate people wanting the videos sooner, but it sounds like 
 we're doing quite well with them this year.

 - Jonathan M Davis


Indeed. I was happy with the shop Symmetry hired to do the 
recording. The initial estimate, I'm told, was 2-3 weeks 
depending on the amount of footage they had to work with, which 
sounded great to me. They were using three cameras that I saw, 
but I heard there were four. Splicing together footage from 
multiple cameras for three days of talks is not something that 
happens in a couple of days unless you've got a large team 
working on it exclusively, and that would add $$$$ to the 
conference costs. Needlessly, in my view.
May 30 2019
parent Dukc <ajieskola gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 31 May 2019 at 05:26:20 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 I was happy with the shop Symmetry hired to do the recording. 
 The initial estimate, I'm told, was 2-3 weeks depending on the 
 amount of footage they had to work with, which sounded great to 
 me. They were using three cameras that I saw, but I heard there 
 were four. Splicing together footage from multiple cameras for 
 three days of talks is not something that happens in a couple 
 of days unless you've got a large team working on it 
 exclusively, and that would add $$$$ to the conference costs. 
 Needlessly, in my view.


As there seems to be complaining about the streaming, let me be a 
counterweight. For me, these arguments convince that Symmetry/you 
have done good job here. We have the livestreams at YouTube 
(except for day 1) for these who want to quickly access the 
talks, and an edited quality versions coming later. Best of both 
worlds.

As for the WebEx mistake, I think that it's secondary -your most 
important goal was to ensure no permanent loss of recordings, and 
that you did.

As with Walter's aeroplane, you can't except every component to 
work, but as long as you have backups, you have done your job. 
Thank you all who were preparing or talking at the conf.
May 31 2019
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:18:11PM -0600, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
[...]

 I can appreciate people wanting the videos sooner, but it sounds like
 we're doing quite well with them this year.


[...]

It would be very, very nice if next DConf we hired a dedicated A/V team
to ensure that the first-day hiccups never happen again. It's becoming
something of a trend to lose the first day talks or otherwise not have
them available / clipped / glitched / whatever, and that's not a good
thing.


T

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people use it is like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. --
Carl B. Constantine
May 30 2019
parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 18:27:52 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:

 On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:18:11PM -0600, Jonathan M Davis via 
 Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]

 I can appreciate people wanting the videos sooner, but it 
 sounds like we're doing quite well with them this year.


 [...]

 It would be very, very nice if next DConf we hired a dedicated 
 A/V team to ensure that the first-day hiccups never happen 
 again. It's becoming something of a trend to lose the first day 
 talks or otherwise not have them available / clipped / glitched 
 / whatever, and that's not a good thing.


We had a dedicated A/V team this year to do the recordings and 
the venue team to do the live stream. We had a dedicated A/V team 
last year to do both, as the venue had none of their own.

Each conference provides us with lessons to apply to the next. No 
conference goes off without hiccups. Most are behind the scenes. 
In terms of video, we learned last year not to rely on one setup 
for live streaming and recording. This year we applied it. This 
year, we learned not to use WebEx for live streaming. Or, better, 
to always request the team use YouTube for the stream.
May 30 2019
prev sibling parent Russel Winder <russel winder.org.uk> writes:
On Thu, 2019-05-30 at 11:27 -0700, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
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 It would be very, very nice if next DConf we hired a dedicated A/V
 team
 to ensure that the first-day hiccups never happen again. It's
 becoming
 something of a trend to lose the first day talks or otherwise not
 have
 them available / clipped / glitched / whatever, and that's not a good
 thing.


If you are looking for a UK based videography company for a UK based
conference, I can recommend the ones used for ACCU conferences. Details
are discoverable, but I can do introductions as required.

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May 30 2019
prev sibling parent reply Mike Franklin <slavo5150 yahoo.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 29 May 2019 at 21:16:35 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:


 Patience, please. The video guy at the conference told me it 
 would take about two weeks to get them all ready. I expect to 
 hear from the company any day now.


I just want to say a big THANK YOU! to all those that 
participated and funded the conference, made it available to me 
in real-time, and are currently providing me with recordings for 
me to watch at my leisure without me having to pay a dime and 
without me having to even leave the comfort of my chair.

I've already learned a lot from the speakers that I have watched 
so far and I look forward to watching all of them in the weeks 
and months to come.

Thanks for everything you've done and continue to do.

Mike
May 30 2019
parent Yatheendra <3df4 gmail.ru> writes:
On Friday, 31 May 2019 at 05:34:11 UTC, Mike Franklin wrote:

 I just want to say a big THANK YOU! to all those that 
 participated and funded the conference, made it available to me 
 in real-time, and are currently providing me with recordings 
 for me to watch at my leisure without me having to pay a dime 
 and without me having to even leave the comfort of my chair.

 I've already learned a lot from the speakers that I have 
 watched so far and I look forward to watching all of them in 
 the weeks and months to come.

 Thanks for everything you've done and continue to do.

 Mike


+1. The "public" AGM was unique & the decision to try it was very 
brave IMO. Thank for all of that.
May 31 2019
prev sibling next sibling parent Jonathan M Davis <newsgroup.d jmdavisprog.com> writes:
On Thursday, May 30, 2019 12:27:52 PM MDT H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d 
wrote:

 On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:18:11PM -0600, Jonathan M Davis via
 Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]


 I can appreciate people wanting the videos sooner, but it sounds like
 we're doing quite well with them this year.


 [...]

 It would be very, very nice if next DConf we hired a dedicated A/V team
 to ensure that the first-day hiccups never happen again. It's becoming
 something of a trend to lose the first day talks or otherwise not have
 them available / clipped / glitched / whatever, and that's not a good
 thing.


AFAIK, last year is the only year that we've ever lost talks. The first few
talks were lost last year, because we only had one camera, and it ran into
problems, because the A/V team assumed that the wifi was going to work well
enough to rely on recording to the cloud, and the wifi was terrible. This
year, there were two cameras - one run by the folks from the location (which
had problems with streaming, because it was set up for WebEx), and another
one from someone else that AFAIK the D Foundation or Symmetry paid
specifically to film the conference and do the videos. So, it sounds like we
basically already did what you're suggesting.

- Jonathan M Davis
May 30 2019
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:54:13PM -0600, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
wrote:

 On Thursday, May 30, 2019 12:27:52 PM MDT H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d 
 wrote:


[...]

 It would be very, very nice if next DConf we hired a dedicated A/V
 team to ensure that the first-day hiccups never happen again. It's
 becoming something of a trend to lose the first day talks or
 otherwise not have them available / clipped / glitched / whatever,
 and that's not a good thing.


 
 AFAIK, last year is the only year that we've ever lost talks. The
 first few talks were lost last year, because we only had one camera,
 and it ran into problems, because the A/V team assumed that the wifi
 was going to work well enough to rely on recording to the cloud, and
 the wifi was terrible. This year, there were two cameras - one run by
 the folks from the location (which had problems with streaming,
 because it was set up for WebEx), and another one from someone else
 that AFAIK the D Foundation or Symmetry paid specifically to film the
 conference and do the videos. So, it sounds like we basically already
 did what you're suggesting.


[...]

So what happened to the streaming?  Was that only setup for the
on-location camera?  Is that why we didn't get streaming working for the
first few talks?  And I assume the second camera is the one used for the
final videos that will be posted? (Not that it would've made a
difference for me, as I was coincidentally busy those few days and
couldn't have watched the streams anyway.)

Also, IME, A/V (in general, not just for DConf) has a tendency to go
horribly wrong unless actually tested on-site beforehand.  There's
always something unexpected that goes wrong, or otherwise doesn't work
well.  Assumptions are made that turn out to be false, etc., etc.. I
find that the only way to be really sure is to actually test everything
beforehand, e.g., if the A/V crew was onsite an hour beforehand and
tested the full loop -- recording, audio volume, streaming, whatever
else that will be used.

IOW, it's the difference between writing code without unittests vs.
writing code with unittests. :-D


T

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would behave very differently from those who now hold it---when, in
truth, in order to get power we would have to become very much like
them. -- Unknown
May 30 2019
parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 19:09:19 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:

 So what happened to the streaming?  Was that only setup for the 
 on-location camera?  Is that why we didn't get streaming 
 working for the first few talks?  And I assume the second 
 camera is the one used for the final videos that will be 
 posted? (Not that it would've made a difference for me, as I 
 was coincidentally busy those few days and couldn't have 
 watched the streams anyway.)


Streaming *was working*. Some remote viewers had issues with 
WebEx that the venue A/V team was unable to troubleshoot because 
they couldn't reproduce them. They were monitoring the live 
stream through WebEx on a MacBook in their control room. I pulled 
it up on my Linux Mint notebook just fine. So we asked them to 
move to YouTube.

They were going to switch to YouTube after lunch on Day 1, but 
there was an issue in that it kept horizontally flipping the 
video. They were unable to resolve it before the talks resumed, 
so they continued with WebEx. Sinisa Poznanovic, the venue's A/V 
tech working with us, worked on it that evening after we all left 
and was able to resolve it so we could live stream on YouTube 
from day two.



 Also, IME, A/V (in general, not just for DConf) has a tendency 
 to go horribly wrong unless actually tested on-site beforehand.
  There's always something unexpected that goes wrong, or 
 otherwise doesn't work well.  Assumptions are made that turn 
 out to be false, etc., etc.. I find that the only way to be 
 really sure is to actually test everything beforehand, e.g., if 
 the A/V crew was onsite an hour beforehand and tested the full 
 loop -- recording, audio volume, streaming, whatever else that 
 will be used.


The issue we had with WebEx could not have been caught on site. 
Like I said, they had the stream running on a MacBook to monitor 
it and it was working as expected.

I don't recall when the team from last year discovered the 
YouTube stream wasn't recording, or if they could have caught it 
before we started. But that issue is precisely why we had a 
separate team doing the recording this year.
May 30 2019
prev sibling parent Jonathan M Davis <newsgroup.d jmdavisprog.com> writes:
On Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:09:19 PM MDT H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:54:13PM -0600, Jonathan M Davis via 


Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On Thursday, May 30, 2019 12:27:52 PM MDT H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d



 wrote:


 [...]


 It would be very, very nice if next DConf we hired a dedicated A/V
 team to ensure that the first-day hiccups never happen again. It's
 becoming something of a trend to lose the first day talks or
 otherwise not have them available / clipped / glitched / whatever,
 and that's not a good thing.


 AFAIK, last year is the only year that we've ever lost talks. The
 first few talks were lost last year, because we only had one camera,
 and it ran into problems, because the A/V team assumed that the wifi
 was going to work well enough to rely on recording to the cloud, and
 the wifi was terrible. This year, there were two cameras - one run by
 the folks from the location (which had problems with streaming,
 because it was set up for WebEx), and another one from someone else
 that AFAIK the D Foundation or Symmetry paid specifically to film the
 conference and do the videos. So, it sounds like we basically already
 did what you're suggesting.


 [...]

 So what happened to the streaming?  Was that only setup for the
 on-location camera?  Is that why we didn't get streaming working for the
 first few talks?  And I assume the second camera is the one used for the
 final videos that will be posted? (Not that it would've made a
 difference for me, as I was coincidentally busy those few days and
 couldn't have watched the streams anyway.)


The streaming was only done using the camera run by the folks on-site, and
since they're normally doing business meetings, they were set up for WebEx,
which is where the problems came in. The second camera was just for the
final recordings. It may have been possible to take what the first camera
did to use for recordings to upload later if the second camera failed (I'm
not sure), but the second camera wasn't set up for streaming AFAIK. It
probably would have been better if the two cameras were set up for both
functions, but they were run by completely different people. So, the set up
could certainly be improved upon, but it's already better than what we had
last year.

- Jonathan M Davis
May 30 2019