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reply Russel Winder <russel winder.org.uk> writes:
Pricing a UK DConf in US $ is the fastest way of ensuring UK people do not
sign up.

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Jan 29
next sibling parent reply bauss <jj_1337 live.dk> writes:
On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 07:59:44 UTC, Russel Winder 
wrote:
 Pricing a UK DConf in US $ is the fastest way of ensuring UK 
 people do not sign up.
Pricing a UK DConf in £ is the fastest way of ensuring international people do not sign up.
Jan 30
parent reply jmh530 <john.michael.hall gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 11:04:20 UTC, bauss wrote:
 Pricing a UK DConf in £ is the fastest way of ensuring 
 international
 people do not sign up.
Simple solution: offer a pound price and a dollar price based on the most recent exchange rate and just eat the cost if the pound moves.
Jan 30
next sibling parent bauss <jj_1337 live.dk> writes:
On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 14:16:25 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
 On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 11:04:20 UTC, bauss wrote:
 Pricing a UK DConf in £ is the fastest way of ensuring 
 international
 people do not sign up.
Simple solution: offer a pound price and a dollar price based on the most recent exchange rate and just eat the cost if the pound moves.
Agree with that, but using USD should definitely be the default.
Jan 30
prev sibling parent reply Bastiaan Veelo <Bastiaan Veelo.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 14:16:25 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
 On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 11:04:20 UTC, bauss wrote:
 Pricing a UK DConf in £ is the fastest way of ensuring 
 international
 people do not sign up.
Simple solution: offer a pound price and a dollar price based on the most recent exchange rate and just eat the cost if the pound moves.
Seriously, the simplest solution is to keep it in $. You’ve got to pick something, listing multiple currencies is just silly; there are plenty of sites listing exchange rates already. I mean, if you’d list $ and £, why not €, ¥, crownes and what not. Everyone here has solved bigger problems than converting currencies.
Jan 30
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 1/30/2019 8:32 AM, Bastiaan Veelo wrote:
 Everyone here has solved bigger problems than converting currencies.
If I buy something in euros or pounds or whatever with my credit card, I get billed in dollars. If my credit card was issued by a London bank, I'm sure if I bought something denoted in dollars I'd be automatically billed in pounds. This is normal for anyone who travels internationally and I do not understand why it would be an issue.
Jan 30
next sibling parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 02:00:08PM -0800, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On 1/30/2019 8:32 AM, Bastiaan Veelo wrote:
 Everyone here has solved bigger problems than converting currencies.
If I buy something in euros or pounds or whatever with my credit card, I get billed in dollars. If my credit card was issued by a London bank, I'm sure if I bought something denoted in dollars I'd be automatically billed in pounds. This is normal for anyone who travels internationally and I do not understand why it would be an issue.
It's a big issue to penny-pinchers who can't stand the idea of paying a cent extra for something -- because usually the exchange rate offered by credit cards isn't as good as what you could get if you converted the currency yourself at an exchange. T -- Never step over a puddle, always step around it. Chances are that whatever made it is still dripping.
Jan 30
next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 1/30/2019 2:36 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 It's a big issue to penny-pinchers who can't stand the idea of paying a
 cent extra for something -- because usually the exchange rate offered by
 credit cards isn't as good as what you could get if you converted the
 currency yourself at an exchange.
It depends on the card. I got a new one that is pretty competitive.
Jan 30
prev sibling parent DanielG <simpletangent gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 22:36:55 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 It's a big issue to penny-pinchers who can't stand the idea of 
 paying a cent extra for something -- because usually the 
 exchange rate offered by credit cards isn't as good as what you 
 could get if you converted the currency yourself at an exchange.
Hypothetically speaking, how would one take that cash from a currency exchange and get it into the hands of the conference organizers, without paying at least as much as the credit card fees? The early bird special is already ~$70 USD cheaper (vs. paying in cash at the door, if that's even an option)
Jan 30
prev sibling parent reply jmh530 <john.michael.hall gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 22:00:08 UTC, Walter Bright 
wrote:
 On 1/30/2019 8:32 AM, Bastiaan Veelo wrote:
 Everyone here has solved bigger problems than converting 
 currencies.
If I buy something in euros or pounds or whatever with my credit card, I get billed in dollars. If my credit card was issued by a London bank, I'm sure if I bought something denoted in dollars I'd be automatically billed in pounds. This is normal for anyone who travels internationally and I do not understand why it would be an issue.
Unless you have a travel credit card, you will probably get hit by foreign transaction fees. For large sums of money, it can be a lot.
Jan 30
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 1/30/19 6:16 PM, jmh530 wrote:
 On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 22:00:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 1/30/2019 8:32 AM, Bastiaan Veelo wrote:
 Everyone here has solved bigger problems than converting currencies.
If I buy something in euros or pounds or whatever with my credit card, I get billed in dollars. If my credit card was issued by a London bank, I'm sure if I bought something denoted in dollars I'd be automatically billed in pounds. This is normal for anyone who travels internationally and I do not understand why it would be an issue.
Unless you have a travel credit card, you will probably get hit by foreign transaction fees. For large sums of money, it can be a lot.
Many credit cards (in the US at least) advertise 0% foreign transaction fees. The ones that do charge have fees around 3%. That's $9 for $400. Not saying $9 is not something, but it's not a lot by comparison. At any rate, I'll look into allowing people to use https://pay.circle.com and https://transferwise.com to pay for their ticket. We have accounts with both.
Jan 30
parent bauss <jj_1337 live.dk> writes:
On Thursday, 31 January 2019 at 01:05:54 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
 Many credit cards (in the US at least) advertise 0% foreign 
 transaction fees.
I can say it's true outside of the US as well, at least some places (Most places in Europe will at the very least offer this.)
Jan 31
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 07:59:44 UTC, Russel Winder 
wrote:
 Pricing a UK DConf in US $ is the fastest way of ensuring UK 
 people do not sign up.
You can now pay with GBP via an additional PayPal link. The GBP value of £322.70 is derived via the HMRC January 2019 average exchange rate of 1.2634. On Feb 1, I'll update to the Feb 2019 average of 1.3062, so it will be ten pounds cheaper at £312.36. (And as of the past few days the ALT + Numpad 0163 key combo will be forever burned in my brain). I've updated the fee table at the top of the page to show both USD and GBP amounts. I've also updated the old USD PayPal form, as it was outdated. Both forms now use PayPal's more modern system, which gets you one-click log in, the modern confirmation page, and a nice visual distinction between the two buttons. Please let me know if there are any issues. https://dconf.org/2019/registration.html
Jan 30
next sibling parent reply Norm <norm.rowtree gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 31 January 2019 at 05:55:45 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
 On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 07:59:44 UTC, Russel Winder 
 wrote:
 Pricing a UK DConf in US $ is the fastest way of ensuring UK 
 people do not sign up.
You can now pay with GBP via an additional PayPal link. The GBP value of £322.70 is derived via the HMRC January 2019 average exchange rate of 1.2634. On Feb 1, I'll update to the Feb 2019 average of 1.3062, so it will be ten pounds cheaper at £312.36. (And as of the past few days the ALT + Numpad 0163 key combo will be forever burned in my brain). I've updated the fee table at the top of the page to show both USD and GBP amounts. I've also updated the old USD PayPal form, as it was outdated. Both forms now use PayPal's more modern system, which gets you one-click log in, the modern confirmation page, and a nice visual distinction between the two buttons. Please let me know if there are any issues. https://dconf.org/2019/registration.html
Appears to be a typo in the pricing table under Registration header: Second last row just shows "Registration Fee" with no indication of the currency and the last row is listed as "Registration Fee (USD)" but all values are prefixed with £ (ALT Numpad 0163, just in case you forgot what £ really means! :D bye, Norm
Jan 30
parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 31 January 2019 at 06:38:24 UTC, Norm wrote:

 Second last row just shows "Registration Fee" with no 
 indication of the currency and the last row is listed as 
 "Registration Fee (USD)" but all values are prefixed with £ 
 (ALT Numpad 0163, just in case you forgot what £ really means! 
 :D
Thanks!
Jan 30
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 1/31/19 12:55 AM, Mike Parker wrote:
 On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 07:59:44 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
 Pricing a UK DConf in US $ is the fastest way of ensuring UK people do 
 not sign up.
You can now pay with GBP via an additional PayPal link. The GBP value of £322.70 is derived via the HMRC January 2019 average exchange rate of 1.2634. On Feb 1, I'll update to the Feb 2019 average of 1.3062, so it will be ten pounds cheaper at £312.36. (And as of the past few days the ALT + Numpad 0163 key combo will be forever burned in my brain). I've updated the fee table at the top of the page to show both USD and GBP amounts. I've also updated the old USD PayPal form, as it was outdated. Both forms now use PayPal's more modern system, which gets you one-click log in, the modern confirmation page, and a nice visual distinction between the two buttons. Please let me know if there are any issues. https://dconf.org/2019/registration.html
Thanks, Mike!
Jan 30
prev sibling parent reply Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Thursday, 31 January 2019 at 05:55:45 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
 On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 07:59:44 UTC, Russel Winder 
 wrote:
 Pricing a UK DConf in US $ is the fastest way of ensuring UK 
 people do not sign up.
You can now pay with GBP via an additional PayPal link. The GBP value of £322.70 is derived via the HMRC January 2019 average exchange rate of 1.2634. On Feb 1, I'll update to the Feb 2019 average of 1.3062, so it will be ten pounds cheaper at £312.36. (And as of the past few days the ALT + Numpad 0163 key combo will be forever burned in my brain). I've updated the fee table at the top of the page to show both USD and GBP amounts. I've also updated the old USD PayPal form, as it was outdated. Both forms now use PayPal's more modern system, which gets you one-click log in, the modern confirmation page, and a nice visual distinction between the two buttons. Please let me know if there are any issues. https://dconf.org/2019/registration.html
FWIW even PayPal offers a built-in conversion option (with slightly higher conversion rates). Here's an example of what it shows when you would pay with a GBP credit card (or bank account): https://imgur.com/a/aKUibD2 Also: When DConf was 3x in Germany, no EUR option was provided and that worked fine for everyone too ;-)
Jan 31
parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 31 January 2019 at 11:54:57 UTC, Seb wrote:

 FWIW even PayPal offers a built-in conversion option (with 
 slightly higher conversion rates).
 Here's an example of what it shows when you would pay with a 
 GBP credit card (or bank account):

 https://imgur.com/a/aKUibD2
Didn’t know that! I kind of like the fixed monthly rate better, though. PayPal’s rate can fluctuate a few times every day.
Jan 31
prev sibling parent Vijay Nayar <madric gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 30 January 2019 at 07:59:44 UTC, Russel Winder 
wrote:
 Pricing a UK DConf in US $ is the fastest way of ensuring UK 
 people do not sign up.
Are you talking about the actual ability to make the transaction, or are you talking about the "sticker shock" of a person in the UK seeing a number that looks much higher than they would be willing to pay, because they are thinking in pounds?
Feb 01