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reply kmk <kmk200us yahoo.com> writes:
Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs being
developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while.
Mar 25 2007
next sibling parent reply "David B. Held" <dheld codelogicconsulting.com> writes:
kmk wrote:

 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs being
developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while. 


It seems extremely unlikely that this will happen.  The closest thing 
you will probably get is the Eclipse plugin.  This is a decent start, 
but could use some help (*hint* *hint*)...

Dave
Mar 26 2007
parent reply Ary Manzana <ary esperanto.org.ar> writes:
David B. Held escribió:

 kmk wrote:

 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs 
 being developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while. 


 
 It seems extremely unlikely that this will happen.  The closest thing 
 you will probably get is the Eclipse plugin.  This is a decent start, 
 but could use some help (*hint* *hint*)...
 
 Dave


What do you mean by "could use some help"?

Regards,
Ary
Mar 26 2007
next sibling parent reply kmk <kmk200us yahoo.com> writes:
Ary Manzana Wrote:


 David B. Held escribió:

 kmk wrote:

 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs 
 being developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while. 


 
 It seems extremely unlikely that this will happen.  The closest thing 
 you will probably get is the Eclipse plugin.  This is a decent start, 
 but could use some help (*hint* *hint*)...
 
 Dave


 
 What do you mean by "could use some help"?
 
 Regards,
 Ary


Ary is doing well with the descent plugin. I've found it to be the best editor
among all of the available editors.
Mar 26 2007
parent Jussi Jumppanen <jussij zeusedit.com> writes:
kmk Wrote:


 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any 
 commercial IDEs being developed for D now that 1.0 has 
 been out for a while. 


 Ary is doing well with the descent plugin. I've 
 found it to be the best editor among all of the 
 available editors.


FWIW the Zeus for Windows IDE has support the D language:

    http://www.zeusedit.com

It does things like D syntax highlighting, code folding,
integrated version control, project/workspace, class
browsing etc.

It can also be configured to integrated with Ddbg to give 
basic debugging support:

    http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1070

Jussi Jumppanen
Author: Zeus for Windows IDE
Mar 26 2007
prev sibling parent "David B. Held" <dheld codelogicconsulting.com> writes:
Ary Manzana wrote:

 David B. Held escribió:

 kmk wrote:

 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs 
 being developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while. 


 It seems extremely unlikely that this will happen.  The closest thing 
 you will probably get is the Eclipse plugin.  This is a decent start, 
 but could use some help (*hint* *hint*)...

 Dave


 
 What do you mean by "could use some help"?


I mean, if you compare it to the Java plugin, it doesn't do Ddoc 
integration from what I can tell, it doesn't integrate with the Eclipse 
run system (as a D application or a set of DUnit tests or the debugger), 
it doesn't integrate with the Eclipse notion of source folders and 
packages, etc. etc.  Then there's the little things like the fact that 
the D editor uses the Java editor icon, doesn't work with the Hierarchy 
viewer (though the Outline viewer works great), doesn't integrate with 
the D build tools, etc.

These aren't show stoppers by any means, but many of them are things 
that people take for granted when they say "commercial IDE", so I was 
just letting the OP know that the Eclipse plugin is mostly a text editor 
and not really a full IDE.  I think it's a great start, and I might be 
willing to get my hands dirty and lend a hand on some of those features, 
but I think we can all agree that the D plugin has a ways to go to 
achieve parity with the JDT.

Dave
Mar 26 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply doob <doobnet gmail.com> writes:
I would recommend Poseidon (http://www.dsource.org/projects/poseidon). Built
with DWT, it's Windows only until DWT is available on other platforms. Not a
commercial IDE but it's the one I have found that I've think is the most
developed. It looks like Eclipse and have project management, code completion,
it has support for bud (build) and dmd and a couple of other features.

kmk Wrote:


 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs being
developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while.
Mar 27 2007
parent kmk <kmk200us yahoo.com> writes:
doob Wrote:


 I would recommend Poseidon (http://www.dsource.org/projects/poseidon). Built
with DWT, it's Windows only until DWT is available on other platforms. Not a
commercial IDE but it's the one I have found that I've think is the most
developed. It looks like Eclipse and have project management, code completion,
it has support for bud (build) and dmd and a couple of other features.
 
 kmk Wrote:
 

 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs being
developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while. 


 


Yeah, poseidon works pretty well. Though, I don't like that it's built on DWT
(dead project). 

It seems that they stopped working on poseidon as well. There hasn't been a
single update to the code in 3 months.
Mar 27 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Nathan Pettrelli <jpettrelli klassmaster.com> writes:
Sorry for the late response.

kmk Wrote:


 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs being
developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while. 


I know of a company that's developing a plug-in for a fairly popular commercial
IDE. I've tested the product and I can tell you that you'll love it once it's
finished in a couple of months.

They want to keep things under warps so I can tell you much more right now.
Mar 27 2007
next sibling parent BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Nathan,


 Sorry for the late response.
 
 kmk Wrote:
 

 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs
 being developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while.
 


 I know of a company that's developing a plug-in for a fairly popular
 commercial IDE. I've tested the product and I can tell you that you'll
 love it once it's finished in a couple of months.
 
 They want to keep things under warps so I can tell you much more right
 now.
 


AAAaaaaaaarrrrrrrggg!!!!  Then why do you tell us that much!?!?  <G>
Mar 27 2007
prev sibling parent kmk <kmk200us yahoo.com> writes:
Nathan Pettrelli Wrote:


 Sorry for the late response.
 
 kmk Wrote:
 

 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs being
developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while. 


 
 I know of a company that's developing a plug-in for a fairly popular
commercial IDE. I've tested the product and I can tell you that you'll love it
once it's finished in a couple of months.
 
 They want to keep things under warps so I can tell you much more right now.
 


Nice. Be sure to post something about it when it's done.
Mar 27 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Nathan Petrelli <npetrelli klassmaster.com> writes:
Nathan Pettrelli Wrote:


 They want to keep things under warps so I can tell you much more right now.


OK, I've been authorized to say a little more: Yes, it's Visual Studio and
it'll have all the features you'll expect: Project Management, Syntax
Highlighting, Debugging Support, Refactoring... But it's the "special features"
that make the product and I can't talk about them at this time. Sorry.
Mar 27 2007
next sibling parent kmk <kmk200us yahoo.com> writes:
Nathan Petrelli Wrote:


 Nathan Pettrelli Wrote:
 

 They want to keep things under warps so I can tell you much more right now.


 
 OK, I've been authorized to say a little more: Yes, it's Visual Studio and
it'll have all the features you'll expect: Project Management, Syntax
Highlighting, Debugging Support, Refactoring... But it's the "special features"
that make the product and I can't talk about them at this time. Sorry.


will it have code assist/code completion?
Mar 27 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Ary Manzana <ary esperanto.org.ar> writes:
Nathan Petrelli escribió:

 Nathan Pettrelli Wrote:
 

 They want to keep things under warps so I can tell you much more right now.


 
 OK, I've been authorized to say a little more: Yes, it's Visual Studio and
it'll have all the features you'll expect: Project Management, Syntax
Highlighting, Debugging Support, Refactoring... But it's the "special features"
that make the product and I can't talk about them at this time. Sorry.


That relaxes me a little... I mean, that it's Visual Studio and not 
Eclipse :-P
Mar 27 2007
parent reply Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
Ary Manzana wrote:

 Nathan Petrelli escribió:

 Nathan Pettrelli Wrote:


 They want to keep things under warps so I can tell you much more 
 right now.


 OK, I've been authorized to say a little more: Yes, it's Visual Studio 
 and it'll have all the features you'll expect: Project Management, 
 Syntax Highlighting, Debugging Support, Refactoring... But it's the 
 "special features" that make the product and I can't talk about them 
 at this time. Sorry.


 
 That relaxes me a little... I mean, that it's Visual Studio and not 
 Eclipse :-P


Seems like there will be some competition now. :)

-- 
Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D
Mar 28 2007
parent Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
Bruno Medeiros wrote:

 Ary Manzana wrote:

 Nathan Petrelli escribió:

 Nathan Pettrelli Wrote:


 They want to keep things under warps so I can tell you much more 
 right now.


 OK, I've been authorized to say a little more: Yes, it's Visual 
 Studio and it'll have all the features you'll expect: Project 
 Management, Syntax Highlighting, Debugging Support, Refactoring... 
 But it's the "special features" that make the product and I can't 
 talk about them at this time. Sorry.


 That relaxes me a little... I mean, that it's Visual Studio and not 
 Eclipse :-P


 
 Seems like there will be some competition now. :)
 


Hum, make that "maybe", we never know for sure until it's out.

-- 
Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D
Mar 29 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "David B. Held" <dheld codelogicconsulting.com> writes:
Nathan Petrelli wrote:

 
 [...]
 OK, I've been authorized to say a little more: Yes, it's Visual Studio
  and it'll have all the features you'll expect: Project Management,
 Syntax Highlighting, Debugging Support, Refactoring... But it's the
 "special features" that make the product and I can't talk about them
 at this time. Sorry.


Interesting that someone feels D has sufficient potential to write a 
commercial plugin for it...

Dave
Mar 27 2007
parent reply Charlie <charlie.fats gmail.com> writes:
I think its very cool , I only wish it wasn't for crappy Visual Studio :S.

Charlie

David B. Held wrote:

 Nathan Petrelli wrote:

 [...]
 OK, I've been authorized to say a little more: Yes, it's Visual Studio
  and it'll have all the features you'll expect: Project Management,
 Syntax Highlighting, Debugging Support, Refactoring... But it's the
 "special features" that make the product and I can't talk about them
 at this time. Sorry.


 
 Interesting that someone feels D has sufficient potential to write a 
 commercial plugin for it...
 
 Dave
Mar 27 2007
next sibling parent Clay Smith <clayasaurus gmail.com> writes:
Charlie wrote:

 I think its very cool , I only wish it wasn't for crappy Visual Studio :S.
 
 Charlie
 
 David B. Held wrote:

 Nathan Petrelli wrote:

 [...]
 OK, I've been authorized to say a little more: Yes, it's Visual Studio
  and it'll have all the features you'll expect: Project Management,
 Syntax Highlighting, Debugging Support, Refactoring... But it's the
 "special features" that make the product and I can't talk about them
 at this time. Sorry.


 Interesting that someone feels D has sufficient potential to write a 
 commercial plugin for it...

 Dave




Maybe the special feature is .NET :-P
Mar 28 2007
prev sibling parent Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> writes:
Charlie wrote:

 I think its very cool , I only wish it wasn't for crappy Visual Studio :S.


The Visual Studio debugger is really quite nice.  My only complaint is 
that VS 2003 and beyond are resource hogs, so I only run them when I 
want to actually debug an application.


Sean
Mar 28 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent BCS <BCS pathlink.com> writes:
Nathan Petrelli wrote:

 Nathan Pettrelli Wrote:
 
 

They want to keep things under warps so I can tell you much more right now.


 
 
 OK, I've been authorized to say a little more: Yes, it's Visual Studio and
it'll have all the features you'll expect: Project Management, Syntax
Highlighting, Debugging Support, Refactoring... But it's the "special features"
that make the product and I can't talk about them at this time. Sorry.


What kind of price tag $0, $10, $50, $100, $200, ??? I'm just looking 
for a ball park number not a price quote.
Mar 28 2007
prev sibling parent reply Mark Wrenn <mark-nospam binarytheory.com> writes:
For the record, if company X is listening, I'd buy a copy provided its 
priced reasonably.  For me that means somewhere < $400.

Mark


Nathan Petrelli wrote:

 Nathan Pettrelli Wrote:
 

 They want to keep things under warps so I can tell you much more right now.


 
 OK, I've been authorized to say a little more: Yes, it's Visual Studio and
it'll have all the features you'll expect: Project Management, Syntax
Highlighting, Debugging Support, Refactoring... But it's the "special features"
that make the product and I can't talk about them at this time. Sorry.
Mar 28 2007
parent reply Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
If it really delivers the goods (and isn't just a D syntax highlighter 
for Visual Studio), I'd be in.  But $400 for an add-in seems a little 
steep to me.  For comparison, Visual Assist, which I do have and is 
great, costs $150.

--bb

Mark Wrenn wrote:

 For the record, if company X is listening, I'd buy a copy provided its 
 priced reasonably.  For me that means somewhere < $400.
 
 Mark
 
 
 Nathan Petrelli wrote:

 Nathan Pettrelli Wrote:


 They want to keep things under warps so I can tell you much more 
 right now.


 OK, I've been authorized to say a little more: Yes, it's Visual Studio 
 and it'll have all the features you'll expect: Project Management, 
 Syntax Highlighting, Debugging Support, Refactoring... But it's the 
 "special features" that make the product and I can't talk about them 
 at this time. Sorry.
Mar 28 2007
parent BCS <BCS pathlink.com> writes:
Bill Baxter wrote:

 If it really delivers the goods (and isn't just a D syntax highlighter 
 for Visual Studio), I'd be in.  But $400 for an add-in seems a little 
 steep to me.  For comparison, Visual Assist, which I do have and is 
 great, costs $150.
 
 --bb
 


Ditto, but around $20, after others say its good (I'm a broke collage 
student. Um, will there be an academic license?)
Mar 28 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Charlie <charlie.fats gmail.com> writes:
kmk wrote:

 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs being
developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while. 


Zeus has code completion, workspace management, class/field/function 
navigator, debugging -- a great IDE once you take some time to learn it.
Mar 27 2007
next sibling parent reply Jussi Jumppanen <jussij zeusedit.com> writes:
Charlie Wrote:


 Zeus has code completion, workspace management, class/field/function 
 navigator, debugging -- a great IDE once you take some time to learn 
 it. 


Zeus will definitely require the user take some time to learn 
use it.

With regard to the class browsing feature, Zeus uses the ctags 
utility as it source of program information.

Quite some time ago I made changes to ctags to support the D 
languages and posted my code changes here:

  http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=613

Since then I come across another patch for ctags which appears 
to be based on my original changes, which claims to offer better 
support for the D language:

  http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?ReferenceForTools/ExuberantCtags

But when I tried to apply the patch to the ctags 5.6 code base 
using this GNU Patch Version 2.5.9 it failed :(

If anyone has managed to apply this patch, could you please let 
me know which patch utility and version of ctags source code you 
used, as I am keen to see if Zeus will work correctly with this 
improved version of the ctags.exe utility.

Cheers Jussi
Author: Zeus for Windows IDE
Mar 27 2007
parent Jussi Jumppanen <jussij zeusedit.com> writes:
Jussi Jumppanen Wrote:


 If anyone has managed to apply this patch, could you please 
 let me know


I managed to answer my own question :)

For anyone else who might be interested, if you use this version 
of the exuberant ctags source code:

    ec56w32.zip

and run this GNU Patch Version 2.5.9 command line:

   PATCH < ctags-5.6-d.patch.txt

it will correctly patch the c.c and parsers.h files.

It failed for me the first time because I was stupidly trying to 
apply the patch to the 5.5 version of the ctags source code.

To use the new ctags with Zeus just rename the file to xtags.exe 
and put the executable in the Zeus install directory.

Cheers Jussi
Author: Zeus for Windows IDE
Mar 27 2007
prev sibling parent Arlen <arlen.albert gmail.com> writes:
Charlie Wrote:


 kmk wrote:

 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs being
developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while. 


 
 Zeus has code completion, workspace management, class/field/function 
 navigator, debugging -- a great IDE once you take some time to learn it.
 


http://www.codeblocks.org
http://forums.codeblocks.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=876263e42f75115958edce763ba9f65a&board=20.0
Apr 12 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent doob <doobnet gmail.com> writes:
I like DWT and now I'm waiting for a new port, tioport, a Java-to-D converter
and its first target project is SWT. http://www.dsource.org/projects/tioport

kmk Wrote:


 doob Wrote:
 

 I would recommend Poseidon (http://www.dsource.org/projects/poseidon). Built
with DWT, it's Windows only until DWT is available on other platforms. Not a
commercial IDE but it's the one I have found that I've think is the most
developed. It looks like Eclipse and have project management, code completion,
it has support for bud (build) and dmd and a couple of other features.
 
 kmk Wrote:
 

 Just wondering if anybody has heard any rumors of any commercial IDEs being
developed for D now that 1.0 has been out for a while. 


 


 
 Yeah, poseidon works pretty well. Though, I don't like that it's built on DWT
(dead project). 
 
 It seems that they stopped working on poseidon as well. There hasn't been a
single update to the code in 3 months.
Mar 28 2007
prev sibling parent reply Jussi Jumppanen <jussij zeusedit.com> writes:
kmk wrote:


 Zeus has code completion, workspace management, class/field/
 function navigator, debugging -- a great IDE once you take 
 some time to learn it.


FWIW I have setup some instructions on how to configure Zeus 
to auto-completion the D Language:

  http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1164

NOTE: Zeus is shareware

Cheers Jussi
May 14 2007
parent reply Robert Fraser <fraserofthenight gmail.com> writes:
Check Descent (open source), too: http://www.dsource.org/projects/descent

Jussi Jumppanen Wrote:


 kmk wrote:
 

 Zeus has code completion, workspace management, class/field/
 function navigator, debugging -- a great IDE once you take 
 some time to learn it.


 
 FWIW I have setup some instructions on how to configure Zeus 
 to auto-completion the D Language:
 
   http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1164
 
 NOTE: Zeus is shareware
 
 Cheers Jussi
May 15 2007
parent Ary Manzana <ary esperanto.org.ar> writes:
Note that Descent does not provide autocompletion... for the moment.

Robert Fraser escribió:

 Check Descent (open source), too: http://www.dsource.org/projects/descent
 
 Jussi Jumppanen Wrote:
 

 kmk wrote:


 Zeus has code completion, workspace management, class/field/
 function navigator, debugging -- a great IDE once you take 
 some time to learn it.


 FWIW I have setup some instructions on how to configure Zeus 
 to auto-completion the D Language:

   http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1164

 NOTE: Zeus is shareware

 Cheers Jussi
May 15 2007