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digitalmars.D - Change D's brand color to blue.

reply James Lu <jamtlu gmail.com> writes:
As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step 
towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand 
color to a shade of blue.

Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action. 
Danger and anger and excitement are not positive qualities of a 
systems programming language. They amplify the primal fear some 
people have of GC. In contrast, blue reflects stability, harmony, 
and trust. These are all qualities we like in a systems 
programming language. In other words, blue triggers emotions that 
should be associated with systems programming language, which is 
what D desires to be.

Go, C, and C++ all use blue. Rust's logo is black, and the rest 
of its website is an even mix of the rainbow.
Jan 12 2020
next sibling parent reply Ferhat =?UTF-8?B?S3VydHVsbXXFnw==?= <aferust gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step 
 towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand 
 color to a shade of blue.

 Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action. 
 Danger and anger and excitement are not positive qualities of a 
 systems programming language. They amplify the primal fear some 
 people have of GC. In contrast, blue reflects stability, 
 harmony, and trust. These are all qualities we like in a 
 systems programming language. In other words, blue triggers 
 emotions that should be associated with systems programming 
 language, which is what D desires to be.

 Go, C, and C++ all use blue. Rust's logo is black, and the rest 
 of its website is an even mix of the rainbow.


I agree with this.
Jan 12 2020
parent reply norm <norm.rowtree gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 06:25:45 UTC, Ferhat KurtulmuÅŸ 
wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 [...]


 I agree with this.


Blue is boring, make it green.
Jan 12 2020
parent user5678 <user5678 9012.sd> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 06:28:23 UTC, norm wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 06:25:45 UTC, Ferhat KurtulmuÅŸ 
 wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 [...]


 I agree with this.


 Blue is boring, make it green.


Nah... what we need is Mustard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustard_(color)
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply berni44 <dlang d-ecke.de> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step 
 towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand 
 color to a shade of blue.


I suggested a similar thing a few weeks ago [1]. Since then I 
pondered from time to time about this and meanwhile I think, it 
isn't necessary to give up on red (which has historic reasons: D 
was called Mars in former days). But I'd suggest to change the 
color of the links on the website to blue - from the perspective 
of a designer it's an optimum second color to red (so called 
120°-color). This would make allready a huge difference. I 
actually wanted to file a PR, but have not found the time to do 
so (or more correct: other things were more important to me).

[1] 
https://forum.dlang.org/thread/aezgbwcfrfvzvewjeodw forum.dlang.org
Jan 12 2020
parent rikki cattermole <rikki cattermole.co.nz> writes:
On 13/01/2020 8:46 PM, berni44 wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards 
 fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a 
 shade of blue.


 
 I suggested a similar thing a few weeks ago [1]. Since then I pondered 
 from time to time about this and meanwhile I think, it isn't necessary 
 to give up on red (which has historic reasons: D was called Mars in 
 former days). But I'd suggest to change the color of the links on the 
 website to blue - from the perspective of a designer it's an optimum 
 second color to red (so called 120°-color). This would make allready a 
 huge difference. I actually wanted to file a PR, but have not found the 
 time to do so (or more correct: other things were more important to me).
 
 [1] https://forum.dlang.org/thread/aezgbwcfrfvzvewjeodw forum.dlang.org


I would be ok with this particular change and it fits nicely now that we 
know Mars has water on it.
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action.


"It waved above our infant might,
When all ahead seemed dark as night;
It witnessed many a deed and vow,
We must not change its colour now."

;-)
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent Chris <wendlec tcd.ie> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step 
 towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand 
 color to a shade of blue.

 Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action.


Sorry to say that, but if you've followed D over the years, it 
seems to be an appropriate color. [1]


 Danger and anger and excitement are not positive qualities of a 
 systems programming language. They amplify the primal fear some 
 people have of GC.


Why GC in particular? Also, the color blue wouldn't change the 
fact that D has inbuilt GC and that some people are suspicious of 
GC (not me though). I don't think a C++ programmer will say "Uh, 
now that it's blue, maybe GC ain't such a bad thing after all". 
;-)


 In contrast, blue reflects stability, harmony, and trust. These 
 are all qualities we like in a systems programming language. In 
 other words, blue triggers emotions that should be associated 
 with systems programming language, which is what D desires to 
 be.


Again, it's not the color but the culture of the language. You 
cannot change that by using a different color. You'll also have 
to deliver "stability, harmony, and trust". Else it's not gonna 
work.


 Go, C, and C++ all use blue. Rust's logo is black, and the rest 
 of its website is an even mix of the rainbow.



[1] Red also figures big in Scala which has / had similar issues 
(https://scala-lang.org/)
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Chris Katko <ckatko gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step 
 towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand 
 color to a shade of blue.


Oh. My. God.

The over 1 billion Chinese people on the planet see red as luck, 
joy, and happiness. Color meanings are NOT consistent across 
cultures. Blue for example, is often associated with depression, 
loneliness and saddness... "feeling blue". So you're suggesting 
we make D feel like a dead language? :P

Changing the color of a language to increase popularity is the 
beyond absurd, as is comparing the color of a website to warning 
colors in nature. People aren't that stupid--nobody is choosing a 
language because of the _color_ of the website.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/color-meanings-in-different-cultures.html
https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/color-symbolism-and-meanings-around-the-world
[and a thousand other google links for "culture color meaning"]
Jan 13 2020
next sibling parent reply Chris Katko <ckatko gmail.com> writes:
Actual ways to improve D's branding involve actual work:

  - Making showcase projects that other people are impressed with 
(<---this a thousand times)
  - Provide well-written tutorials
  - Go to programming conferences and speaking
  - Networking with businesses and people to sell people on the 
power of D to improve their work
  - Fix bugs (and improve documentation) that pushes away newcomers
Jan 13 2020
parent reply tsbockman <thomas.bockman gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 11:57:26 UTC, Chris Katko wrote:

  - Fix bugs (and improve documentation) that pushes away 
 newcomers


I'd like to add "finish half-baked features" and "improve 
tooling" to that point, as well. In the long run, the last few 
years' work to make the GC precise (that is, not leak memory) and 
truly optional (via making betterC usable for mere mortals), nail 
down the semantics of shared, implement scope, improve  safe, 
etc. will help D's reputation far more than changing the color of 
the website ever could.

I think people on the D forums are always trying to blame D's 
lack of success on "marketing problems", but reading outside 
discussion it's clear to me that most people who have tried and 
rejected D did so because of bugs, unfinished features, and/or 
poor tooling. The ones who've heard of D and rejected it without 
trying it have done so because someone else told them about these 
problems, or because they're opposed to D's perceived dependence 
on a GC.

If D has a marketing problem, I think it's mainly that a lot (but 
far from all) of the issues that have frustrated people who tried 
it out in the past have actually been fixed, but the world has 
moved on and many don't realize how massively better D is today 
compared to 5 or 10 years ago in practice, even though it hasn't 
changed that much in concept.

TLDR; I like the classic red branding. ;-)
Jan 13 2020
next sibling parent user5678 <user5678 9012.sd> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 13:33:49 UTC, tsbockman wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 11:57:26 UTC, Chris Katko wrote:

  - Fix bugs (and improve documentation) that pushes away


 TLDR; I like the classic red branding. ;-)


Nah it's the classic bikesheding.
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling parent IGotD- <nise nise.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 13:33:49 UTC, tsbockman wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 11:57:26 UTC, Chris Katko wrote:

  - Fix bugs (and improve documentation) that pushes away 
 newcomers


 I'd like to add "finish half-baked features" and "improve 
 tooling" to that point, as well. In the long run, the last few 
 years' work to make the GC precise (that is, not leak memory) 
 and truly optional (via making betterC usable for mere 
 mortals), nail down the semantics of shared, implement scope, 
 improve  safe, etc. will help D's reputation far more than 
 changing the color of the website ever could.

 I think people on the D forums are always trying to blame D's 
 lack of success on "marketing problems", but reading outside 
 discussion it's clear to me that most people who have tried and 
 rejected D did so because of bugs, unfinished features, and/or 
 poor tooling. The ones who've heard of D and rejected it 
 without trying it have done so because someone else told them 
 about these problems, or because they're opposed to D's 
 perceived dependence on a GC.

 If D has a marketing problem, I think it's mainly that a lot 
 (but far from all) of the issues that have frustrated people 
 who tried it out in the past have actually been fixed, but the 
 world has moved on and many don't realize how massively better 
 D is today compared to 5 or 10 years ago in practice, even 
 though it hasn't changed that much in concept.

 TLDR; I like the classic red branding. ;-)


I totally agree. The D community should focus first on bugfixing 
and developing the agreed upon improvements/features. To be 
honest, I never reflected on the color of this site and it 
doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me more is when the 
documentation is out of date or insufficient.

Also, if there were any change to site I would first try to 
create a real forum with modern features rather than the old 
archaic news group interface like it was the 1990s.
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent Bastiaan Veelo <Bastiaan Veelo.net> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 11:54:21 UTC, Chris Katko wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step 
 towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's 
 brand color to a shade of blue.


 Oh. My. God.

 The over 1 billion Chinese people on the planet see red as 
 luck, joy, and happiness. Color meanings are NOT consistent 
 across cultures. Blue for example, is often associated with 
 depression, loneliness and saddness... "feeling blue". So 
 you're suggesting we make D feel like a dead language? :P

 Changing the color of a language to increase popularity is the 
 beyond absurd, as is comparing the color of a website to 
 warning colors in nature. People aren't that stupid--nobody is 
 choosing a language because of the _color_ of the website.


Thanks for pointing that out.

Besides, I like my dlang panes to stand out a little, imagine all 
websites looked the same!

Bastiaan.
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling parent Ozan <ozan.sueel gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 11:54:21 UTC, Chris Katko wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step 
 towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's 
 brand color to a shade of blue.




Agree. Blue is boring like Big blue (also boring).
Jan 23 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?UmVuw6k=?= Heldmaier <rene.heldmaier gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step 
 towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand 
 color to a shade of blue.

 Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action. 
 Danger and anger and excitement are not positive qualities of a 
 systems programming language.


Red is the colour of Coca Cola and Ferrari. You could say: "D is 
fast and has a refreshing taste".

A bigger issue in my opinion is, that the name itself is not very 
creative.
It makes sense because it tells something like: "You like C and 
don't like C++ as sucessor. The real sucessor of C is D!"

But whenever I try to convince someone to try out D i have to say 
either.
"Have you heard of D?" "Yeah, it's this letter which comes after 
C in the ABC"
or
"Have you heard of the programming language D?", which sounds 
worse than something like: "Have you heard of rust?"

Desipte this I wouldn't change any branding, because most 
important thing of branding is that you stick with it. When was 
the last time Coca Cola changed their logo?
Jan 13 2020
next sibling parent reply matheus <matheus gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 15:06:15 UTC, René Heldmaier wrote:

 Desipte this I wouldn't change any branding, because most 
 important thing of branding is that you stick with it. When was 
 the last time Coca Cola changed their logo?


A lot: 
https://www.coca-colacompany.com/au/news/trace-the-130-year-evolution-of-the-coca-cola-logo

Matheus.
Jan 13 2020
parent Bastiaan Veelo <Bastiaan Veelo.net> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 15:11:08 UTC, matheus wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 15:06:15 UTC, René Heldmaier 
 wrote:

 Desipte this I wouldn't change any branding, because most 
 important thing of branding is that you stick with it. When 
 was the last time Coca Cola changed their logo?


 A lot: 
 https://www.coca-colacompany.com/au/news/trace-the-130-year-evolution-of-the-coca-cola-logo

 Matheus.


Nah, they tried a new font a century ago, then restored the 
original a year after. It basically hasn’t changed since. Once 
they started using colour, they stuck to the same one ever since.

Bastiaan.
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 03:06:15PM +0000, René Heldmaier via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
[...]

 A bigger issue in my opinion is, that the name itself is not very
 creative.  It makes sense because it tells something like: "You like C
 and don't like C++ as sucessor. The real sucessor of C is D!"


[...]

Actually, the original name of the language is Mars.  It only became D
after users persistently referred to it as such (I wasn't here at the
time so I don't know the whole story behind it, it may have started out
as a joke of being a successor to C/C++, but eventually the name stuck).


T

-- 
Windows 95 was a joke, and Windows 98 was the punchline.
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling parent reply Dominikus Dittes Scherkl <dominikus scherkl.de> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 15:06:15 UTC, René Heldmaier wrote:

 "Have you heard of rust?"


Yeah, I've heard of rust. It's that bad thingy that accumulates 
on my car and make it wreak. What does that have to do with 
programming? :-P
Jan 13 2020
parent Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= <ola.fosheim.grostad gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 19:32:44 UTC, Dominikus Dittes 
Scherkl wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 15:06:15 UTC, René Heldmaier 
 wrote:

 "Have you heard of rust?"


 Yeah, I've heard of rust. It's that bad thingy that accumulates 
 on my car and make it wreak. What does that have to do with 
 programming? :-P


Brown is clearly the default programming colour.

Rust... Brown.
Java Coffee... Brown.
The original annotated C++ book... Brown.
The keys of Commodore 64... Brown.

I am sure there are more examples.
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jonathan Marler <johnnymarler gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step 
 towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand 
 color to a shade of blue.

 Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action. 
 Danger and anger and excitement are not positive qualities of a 
 systems programming language. They amplify the primal fear some 
 people have of GC. In contrast, blue reflects stability, 
 harmony, and trust. These are all qualities we like in a 
 systems programming language. In other words, blue triggers 
 emotions that should be associated with systems programming 
 language, which is what D desires to be.

 Go, C, and C++ all use blue. Rust's logo is black, and the rest 
 of its website is an even mix of the rainbow.


Let the "bikeshedding" begin.
Jan 13 2020
parent reply Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 17:48:34 UTC, Jonathan Marler wrote:

 Let the "bikeshedding" begin.


Honestly, the whole discussion is making me see red :-)
Jan 13 2020
parent "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 05:52:35PM +0000, Joseph Rushton Wakeling via
Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 17:48:34 UTC, Jonathan Marler wrote:

 Let the "bikeshedding" begin.


 
 Honestly, the whole discussion is making me see red :-)


	Once the bikeshed is up for painting, the rainbow won't suffice.
	-- Andrei Alexandrescu

:-P


T

-- 
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.
Then when you do criticize him, you'll be a mile away and he won't have
his shoes.
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent uranuz <neuranuz gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step 
 towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand 
 color to a shade of blue.

 Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action. 
 Danger and anger and excitement are not positive qualities of a 
 systems programming language. They amplify the primal fear some 
 people have of GC. In contrast, blue reflects stability, 
 harmony, and trust. These are all qualities we like in a 
 systems programming language. In other words, blue triggers 
 emotions that should be associated with systems programming 
 language, which is what D desires to be.

 Go, C, and C++ all use blue. Rust's logo is black, and the rest 
 of its website is an even mix of the rainbow.


No thanks. Blue is a corporate color. I got sick of if already. 
When I see blue I want to go to bed and sleep instead of doing 
work. And blue is not good for health of my eyes, because energy 
of blue light is higher that other color (by law of physics). So 
your eyes got more `radiation` and get tired quicker. I  I would 
agree to green or orange, but no `shades of blue`, please...
I like red color. Let it be as it is. Red light has lowest energy 
in visible spectre, so it is good for eyes. I often switch my 
text editor to red color theme. And it works well, because I want 
to sleep less and my eyes are not so tired.
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent VladimirP <vp russia.com> writes:
Do you want to start a new war? Have you thought about how our 
Russian/Chinese friends will feel over this change?

Please don't mess with fire, red is the future.

By the way I think we could modernize this logo with some images, 
what about a Hammer with a Sickle together?

VP.
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Martin Brezel <martin.brzenska googlemail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step 
 towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand 
 color to a shade of blue.


Red fits much more to the theme of Mars and Phobos - red makes 
lot of sense and changing the color would make the color 
meaningless. If to fix PR, let's begin with D-Man,becauae D-Man 
looks broken, underevolved and has nothing to do with the 
planetary(=universal, spacetravel-hightec...) theme... D-Man ist 
just a dull "D" - the finesse of a kindergarten child.
Jan 13 2020
next sibling parent reply Timon Gehr <timon.gehr gmx.ch> writes:
On 13.01.20 21:29, Martin Brezel wrote:

 ... If to fix PR, let's begin with D-Man, ...


:-(
Jan 13 2020
parent =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 1/13/20 4:35 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:

 On 13.01.20 21:29, Martin Brezel wrote:

 ... If to fix PR, let's begin with D-Man, ...


 :-(


D-Man's bold simplicity always cracks me up. If anything, the site 
should switch to that bright red. :)

Ali
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent IGotD- <nise nise.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 20:29:41 UTC, Martin Brezel wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 Red fits much more to the theme of Mars and Phobos - red makes 
 lot of sense and changing the color would make the color 
 meaningless. If to fix PR, let's begin with D-Man,becauae D-Man 
 looks broken, underevolved and has nothing to do with the 
 planetary(=universal, spacetravel-hightec...) theme... D-Man 
 ist just a dull "D" - the finesse of a kindergarten child.


Let's not change the D-man, also it is also not used that much. 
Just don't introduce some stupid mascot like an overweight 
penguin or similar.
Jan 13 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Alexandru Ermicioi <alexandru.ermicioi gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 20:29:41 UTC, Martin Brezel wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step 
 towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's 
 brand color to a shade of blue.


 Red fits much more to the theme of Mars and Phobos - red makes 
 lot of sense and changing the color would make the color 
 meaningless. If to fix PR, let's begin with D-Man,becauae D-Man 
 looks broken, underevolved and has nothing to do with the 
 planetary(=universal, spacetravel-hightec...) theme... D-Man 
 ist just a dull "D" - the finesse of a kindergarten child.


About D-man and D letter you are wrong. It perfectly fits in 
spacetravel scenario. Notice the round shape of D letter as of it 
is an atmosphere entry shield, which shields it's developers and 
equipment (software) from violent and scorching bugs that, could 
harm them, allowing a nice land to a planet full of users ready 
to use equipment they brought.

Best regards,
Alexandru.
Jan 13 2020
parent reply Martin Brezel <martin.brzenska googlemail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 at 07:36:04 UTC, Alexandru Ermicioi 
wrote:

 On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 20:29:41 UTC, Martin Brezel wrote:

 D-Man looks broken, underevolved and has nothing to do with 
 the planetary(=universal, spacetravel-hightec...) theme...


  It perfectly fits in spacetravel scenario. Notice the round 
 shape of D letter as of it is an atmosphere entry shield,


:D You mean like the DConf 2018 Logo? 
(http://dconf.org/2018/images/dconf_logo_2018.jpg). I like this 
Logo very much as it plays with this space-theme again.

On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 at 00:49:49 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 D-Man's bold simplicity always cracks me up. If anything, the 
 site should switch to that bright red. :)


Yes, but there is a difference between simple and fragile. If i 
look at D-Man, i see breaking legs and arms and it hurts me 
inside :D

But serious, D is not "simple" - it is very feature rich and 
powerful. If you/we/D-Community try to transport a message like 
"D is simple" using the D-Man, we deem D-Man to exist only as a 
lie.
Jan 14 2020
parent reply =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 1/14/20 1:51 AM, Martin Brezel wrote:


 :D You mean like the DConf 2018 Logo?
 (http://dconf.org/2018/images/dconf_logo_2018.jpg). I like this Logo
 very much as it plays with this space-theme again.


It shows how all of us are different: I never liked that logo or its=20
color variants. :) (I don't understand the whole Mars theme either but=20
that's a different matter.) To me, language logos don't mean anything=20
and they really should not mean anything.


 On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 at 00:49:49 UTC, Ali =C3=87ehreli wrote:

 D-Man's bold simplicity always cracks me up. If anything, the site
 should switch to that bright red. :)


 Yes, but there is a difference between simple and fragile. If i look a=


t

 D-Man, i see breaking legs and arms and it hurts me inside :D

 But serious, D is not "simple" - it is very feature rich and powerful.=



I agree.


 If you/we/D-Community try to transport a message like "D is simple"
 using the D-Man, we deem D-Man to exist only as a lie.


To me, D-Man is so ridiculous that it can only be a joke and I love that =

funny thing about it. I think I enjoy it as a piece of absurdity. :)

Ali
Jan 14 2020
next sibling parent reply Martin Brezel <martin.brzenska googlemail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 at 17:51:18 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 To me, D-Man is so ridiculous that it can only be a joke and I 
 love that funny thing about it. I think I enjoy it as a piece 
 of absurdity. :)


I agree and I get the humor. But: it is kind of a insider joke - 
a insider in the public. It's like a programmer telling 
programmer-jokes in a room with the people from accounting :) IMO 
logos and mascots is PR-material and as such it should be 
targeting public, not community.

I do not want to carry this topic too far.. But D-Man hits a 
nerve :)
Jan 14 2020
parent Timon Gehr <timon.gehr gmx.ch> writes:
On 14.01.20 21:15, Martin Brezel wrote:

 On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 at 17:51:18 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 To me, D-Man is so ridiculous that it can only be a joke and I love 
 that funny thing about it. I think I enjoy it as a piece of absurdity. :)


 I agree and I get the humor. But: it is kind of a insider joke - a 
 insider in the public. It's like a programmer telling programmer-jokes 
 in a room with the people from accounting :) IMO logos and mascots is 
 PR-material and as such it should be targeting public, not community.
 
 I do not want to carry this topic too far.. But D-Man hits a nerve :)


It is my opinion that we do not need to market towards people who would 
be thrown off by D-man.
Jan 14 2020
prev sibling parent James Lu <jamtlu gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 at 17:51:18 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 It shows how all of us are different: I never liked that logo 
 or its color variants. :) (I don't understand the whole Mars 
 theme either but that's a different matter.) To me, language 
 logos don't mean anything and they really should not mean 
 anything.


Perhaps some on-the-ground surveys of industry users of various 
languages (C++, Node.js, etc.) would be helpful in branding. I 
personally feel that Node could be ported to D (Node.D?) and with 
a GC D could replace Node.js.
Jan 27 2020
prev sibling parent James Lu <jamtlu gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 20:29:41 UTC, Martin Brezel wrote:

 Red fits much more to the theme of Mars and Phobos - red makes 
 lot of sense and changing the color would make the color 
 meaningless. If to fix PR, let's begin with D-Man,becauae D-Man 
 looks broken, underevolved and has nothing to do with the 
 planetary(=universal, spacetravel-hightec...) theme... D-Man 
 ist just a dull "D" - the finesse of a kindergarten child.


I agree here.
Jan 27 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply ShadoLight <ettienne.gilbert gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:

 Red is associated with ...


[snip]

 In contrast, blue reflects ...


The D'mand that D-man be D'monized like he is some kind of 
D'monstrable red piece of Rust is just plain D'meaning. D'mmit!

To paraphrase Andrei... this is all about bikeshedding and once 
"D-man is up for (re)painting, the rainbow won't suffice!".
Jan 15 2020
parent reply Jan =?UTF-8?B?SMO2bmln?= <hrominium gmail.com> writes:
I think the color red is fine. It sands out and feels nice and 
warm.

If you want do marketing and be creative then invent a proper 
mascot.
Something which can be made out of plush so you can hand them out 
at conferences.
I got a chameleon from SUSE. I don't even like SUSE. But it is a 
nice plush toy and it is a good remainder that it exists.

SUSE chameleon: 
https://suseus.quickorder.uk.com/products/name/small-suse-chameleon/product_id/5500266000108?size=&start=

Common Lisp mascot: 
http://missingfaktor.blogspot.com/2012/07/tour-through-land-of-lisp.html
http://www.lisperati.com/lisplogo_warning2_256.png
Jan 20 2020
parent reply IGotD- <nise nise.com> writes:
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 10:06:13 UTC, Jan Hönig wrote:

 I think the color red is fine. It sands out and feels nice and 
 warm.

 If you want do marketing and be creative then invent a proper 
 mascot.
 Something which can be made out of plush so you can hand them 
 out at conferences.
 I got a chameleon from SUSE. I don't even like SUSE. But it is 
 a nice plush toy and it is a good remainder that it exists.

 SUSE chameleon: 
 https://suseus.quickorder.uk.com/products/name/small-suse-chameleon/product_id/5500266000108?size=&start=

 Common Lisp mascot: 
 http://missingfaktor.blogspot.com/2012/07/tour-through-land-of-lisp.html
 http://www.lisperati.com/lisplogo_warning2_256.png


No mascot, no Mascot, NO MASCOT. Let's not go in those immature 
territories. If you want to products for companies, then I 
suggest that you buy something useful and put the D logo on it 
and perhaps a link to the site. It can for example be an airplane 
pillow or a cup. Then people will use that product and be 
reminded of D instead of some plush toy that will end up in a 
drawer.

If you don't like the D-man, it can removed quickly as it is used 
very seldom. It is just once on this site what I've seen. It is 
pretty harmless.

Just for comparison, one of the most successful multi billion 
profit companies has four squares as logo chucked together for 
its main product. You can really keep things simple.
Jan 20 2020
next sibling parent BoraxMan <rotflol2 hotmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 11:09:59 UTC, IGotD- wrote:

 No mascot, no Mascot, NO MASCOT. Let's not go in those immature 
 territories.


Like Tux, or Beastie, or Freddie Mailchip, or that Android Robot?

For what its worth, as a hobbyist, I have no issue at all with 
the red.
Jan 21 2020
prev sibling parent reply JN <666total wp.pl> writes:
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 11:09:59 UTC, IGotD- wrote:

 Just for comparison, one of the most successful multi billion 
 profit companies has four squares as logo chucked together for 
 its main product. You can really keep things simple.


I think most of this discussion is just harmless fun.

D's branding, color, logo, even the design of the front page 
isn't the reason for it's relatively low adoption rate.
Jan 21 2020
parent reply rikki cattermole <rikki cattermole.co.nz> writes:
On 22/01/2020 12:02 AM, JN wrote:

 On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 11:09:59 UTC, IGotD- wrote:

 Just for comparison, one of the most successful multi billion profit 
 companies has four squares as logo chucked together for its main 
 product. You can really keep things simple.


 
 I think most of this discussion is just harmless fun.
 
 D's branding, color, logo, even the design of the front page isn't the 
 reason for it's relatively low adoption rate.


We should only do it, if we wanted to do a full rebranding.

Like say making  safe by default.
Jan 21 2020
parent Simen =?UTF-8?B?S2rDpnLDpXM=?= <simen.kjaras gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 21 January 2020 at 11:26:49 UTC, rikki cattermole 
wrote:

 On 22/01/2020 12:02 AM, JN wrote:

 On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 11:09:59 UTC, IGotD- wrote:

 Just for comparison, one of the most successful multi billion 
 profit companies has four squares as logo chucked together 
 for its main product. You can really keep things simple.


 
 I think most of this discussion is just harmless fun.
 
 D's branding, color, logo, even the design of the front page 
 isn't the reason for it's relatively low adoption rate.


 We should only do it, if we wanted to do a full rebranding.

 Like say making  safe by default.


We could just give safeD a blue D logo?

--
   Simen
Jan 21 2020
prev sibling parent reply log mout <emawalker01 gmail.com> writes:
The over 1 billion Chinese people in the world see red as luck, 
pleasure, and happiness. Color meanings are NOT steady across 
cultures. Blue as an example, is often associated with 
melancholy, loneliness and saddness... "feeling blue". So you're 
suggesting we make D feel like a lifeless language? :P
Learn more here 
https://topbestnespresso.com/best-nespresso-capsules

Changing the coloration of a language to increase popularity is 
the beyond absurd, as is evaluating the shade of a website to 
caution colorations in nature. People are not that stupid--nobody 
is choosing a language because of the _color_ of the website.
Apr 03 2020
parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 01:28:03AM +0000, log mout via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 The over 1 billion Chinese people in the world see red as luck,
 pleasure, and happiness.  Color meanings are NOT steady across
 cultures. 


[...]

I'm Chinese, but I *don't* see red as luck, pleasure, or happiness.
That's just an ignorant stereotype.  But anyway, it's not even
consistent *within* a culture, needless to say across cultures.


[...]

 Changing the coloration of a language to increase popularity is the
 beyond absurd, as is evaluating the shade of a website to caution
 colorations in nature. People are not that stupid--nobody is choosing
 a language because of the _color_ of the website.


And the kind of people who *might* choose something based on that, is
precisely the kind of people you *don't* want as users and customers.
:-P


T

-- 
Programming is not just an act of telling a computer what to do: it is also an
act of telling other programmers what you wished the computer to do. Both are
important, and the latter deserves care. -- Andrew Morton
Apr 03 2020
parent reply wow <wow wow.com> writes:
What's red is faster.
Apr 04 2020
parent Luis <luis.panadero gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 4 April 2020 at 13:43:26 UTC, wow wrote:

 What's red is faster.


Orkz boyz agreez with you.
Jun 07 2020