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reply Paul <phshaffer gmail.com> writes:
Greetings and thanks for any thoughts.

I'm looking for suggestions on what would be a good path into 
commercial coding using D.  I've completed two D coding courses 
on educative.io and would someday like to be coding in D.  
Accepting the fact I'm unlikely to find an entry level coding job 
in D, what would be a good career path to put me in a position 
where I could apply for a D coding job?  C/C++, Java, Python, 
embedded programming?
Feb 11 2023
next sibling parent reply Bastiaan Veelo <Bastiaan Veelo.net> writes:
On Saturday, 11 February 2023 at 22:37:32 UTC, Paul wrote:

 what would be a good career path to put me in a position where 
 I could apply for a D coding job?  C/C++, Java, Python, 
 embedded programming?


Are you saying you are (going to be) a student and wonder what 
courses to take? Or are those the languages that you already know 
and are looking for an employer?

These are the ways in which people came to code in D 
commercially, that I know of:

1. They never used D before and were told to go code in D by 
their employers.
2. They became experts in D in their free time here in this 
community, and were headhunted by [the 
industry](https://dlang.org/orgs-using-d.html) (or they applied).
3. They found a way to introduce D at their current job.
4. They started their own business.

If 2. is your thing, it is as with any other language: read, 
write, and get reviewed. The latter happens when you start 
contributing to existing projects. Depending on how much time you 
have, your background and perhaps your age, Google Summer of Code 
or Symmetry Autumn of Code can be a good way to increase your D 
skills.

Personally I am in category 3. For me, and this is irrespective 
of language, a course in algorithms and data structures was most 
impactful to my coding practice. My education is primarily on 
domain knowledge, computer science came second. But both were 
instrumental to my career.


Good luck,
-- Bastiaan.
Feb 15 2023
next sibling parent reply Bastiaan Veelo <Bastiaan Veelo.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 11:17:08 UTC, Bastiaan Veelo 
wrote:

 1. They never used D before and were told to go code in D by 
 their employers.


These people were hired as C++ programmers, as far as I know.

-- Bastiaan.
Feb 15 2023
parent Paul <phshaffer gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 11:19:30 UTC, Bastiaan Veelo 
wrote:

 On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 11:17:08 UTC, Bastiaan Veelo 
 wrote:

 1. They never used D before and were told to go code in D by 
 their employers.


 These people were hired as C++ programmers, as far as I know.

 -- Bastiaan.


Thanks Bastiaan
Feb 15 2023
prev sibling next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 2/15/23 03:17, Bastiaan Veelo wrote:


 1. They never used D before and were told to go code in D by their
 employers.


An anecdote: As you know, I used D for developer tools in the automotive 
industry. One of our colleagues has always been impressed with the 
tools. I've learned recently that he had told his brother about D, who 
also happened to work in the automotive industry.

And his brother ended up choosing D for a project just because their C 
programmers hated C++ and their C++ programmers hated C. :) In the end, 
an intern was forced to use D. :)

Ali
Feb 15 2023
parent Sergey <kornburn yandex.ru> writes:
On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 06:52:14 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 On 2/15/23 03:17, Bastiaan Veelo wrote:


 1. They never used D before and were told to go code in D by


 their

 employers.


 An anecdote: As you know, I used D for developer tools in the 
 automotive industry. One of our colleagues has always been 
 impressed with the tools. I've learned recently that he had 
 told his brother about D, who also happened to work in the 
 automotive industry.

 And his brother ended up choosing D for a project just because 
 their C programmers hated C++ and their C++ programmers hated 
 C. :) In the end, an intern was forced to use D. :)

 Ali


Great news!
When we will be able to add this new shiny star to the 
https://dlang.org/orgs-using-d.html?
Feb 15 2023
prev sibling parent Chris Piker <chris hoopjump.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 11:17:08 UTC, Bastiaan Veelo 
wrote:

 3. They found a way to introduce D at their current job.


...in my case, after all the C programmers retired.

To misquote Planck, "Programming progresses one retirement at a 
time".
Feb 18 2023
prev sibling parent reply thebluepandabear <therealbluepandabear protonmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 11 February 2023 at 22:37:32 UTC, Paul wrote:

 Greetings and thanks for any thoughts.

 I'm looking for suggestions on what would be a good path into 
 commercial coding using D.  I've completed two D coding courses 
 on educative.io and would someday like to be coding in D.  
 Accepting the fact I'm unlikely to find an entry level coding 
 job in D, what would be a good career path to put me in a 
 position where I could apply for a D coding job?  C/C++, Java, 
 Python, embedded programming?


  D is not used in the job industry. Period.
Feb 18 2023
parent reply Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy gmail.com> writes:
On 2/18/23 3:39 AM, thebluepandabear wrote:

   D is not used in the job industry. Period.


This is incorrect.

-Steve
Feb 18 2023
parent reply thebluepandabear <therealbluepandabear protonmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 17:20:30 UTC, Steven 
Schveighoffer wrote:

 On 2/18/23 3:39 AM, thebluepandabear wrote:

   D is not used in the job industry. Period.


 This is incorrect.

 -Steve


what job could  i find with D? i found no D jobs in the USA, stop 
with the fluff.
Feb 19 2023
next sibling parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 19 February 2023 at 09:34:33 UTC, thebluepandabear 
wrote:


 what job could  i find with D? i found no D jobs in the USA, 
 stop with the fluff.


It's not fluff. D jobs do exist. We have quarterly meetings with 
representatives from companies using D, and we still now and then 
learn of companies we didn't know of before.

Are there a lot of D jobs? No, but some of the companies using D 
are constantly in need of more programmers. So it is incorrect to 
say that there aren't any D jobs.
Feb 19 2023
prev sibling parent reply Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy gmail.com> writes:
On 2/19/23 4:34 AM, thebluepandabear wrote:

 On Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 17:20:30 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On 2/18/23 3:39 AM, thebluepandabear wrote:

   D is not used in the job industry. Period.


 This is incorrect.


 
 what job could  i find with D? i found no D jobs in the USA, stop with 
 the fluff.


I work with D. I'm in the USA. So my job.

Yes, the job market isn't flooded with open D jobs. But saying there 
aren't jobs "Period" is not correct.

-Steve
Feb 19 2023
parent reply thebluepandabear <thereabluepandabear protonmail.com> writes:
 I work with D. I'm in the USA. So my job.

 Yes, the job market isn't flooded with open D jobs. But saying 
 there aren't jobs "Period" is not correct.

 -Steve


Well, let me correct myself, D is 'hardly' used in the job 
industry then.

The likelihood of finding a job in D is extremely slim, an 
exception does not equal the rule.
Feb 19 2023
parent reply Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org> writes:
On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 01:02:08 UTC, thebluepandabear 
wrote:

 I work with D. I'm in the USA. So my job.

 Yes, the job market isn't flooded with open D jobs. But saying 
 there aren't jobs "Period" is not correct.

 -Steve


 Well, let me correct myself, D is 'hardly' used in the job 
 industry then.

 The likelihood of finding a job in D is extremely slim, an 
 exception does not equal the rule.


I've only been in D jobs for the last 9-10 years, so it isn't 
impossible.

Speaking from experience of one large D shop (~40 developers), in 
the early years, the company never advertised positions for D 
developers, it was always C++.  It was only when interviewees 
were close to accepting the job that they were finally told they 
wouldn't be working in C++.
Feb 20 2023
parent =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 2/20/23 15:29, Iain Buclaw wrote:


 It was only when interviewees were close to accepting
 the job that they were finally told they wouldn't be working in C++.


That's cruel! :)

Weka did (still does?) the same thing but I think they told the 
candidates earlier than last minute.

Ali
Feb 20 2023