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reply "Kris" <foo bar.com> writes:
Okay, I'm a dumb-ass ... got baited and responded to the "request for 
moderation" thing. Should never have responsed at all, my unreserved 
apologies for helping this continue far longer than it should have. Bill 
Baxter was right

No more posts from me on this topic
Mar 16 2008
next sibling parent reply the antikris <asd dsef.net> writes:
Kris Wrote:


 Okay, I'm a dumb-ass ... 


u got tat 1 rite il kretino
Mar 16 2008
parent reply "Lionello Lunesu" <lionello lunesu.remove.com> writes:
"the antikris" <asd dsef.net> wrote in message 
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 Kris Wrote:


 Okay, I'm a dumb-ass ...


 u got tat 1 rite il kretino


I'm just wondering... does that post qualify as a "me too" post?

L.
Mar 16 2008
parent the antikris <asd dsef.net> writes:
Lionello Lunesu Wrote:


 
 "the antikris" <asd dsef.net> wrote in message 
 news:frkbkv$2igj$1 digitalmars.com...

 Kris Wrote:


 Okay, I'm a dumb-ass ...


 u got tat 1 rite il kretino


 
 I'm just wondering... does that post qualify as a "me too" post?


sure it does. guess it would even make it through moderation <g>
Mar 16 2008
prev sibling parent reply Paul Findlay <r.lph50+d gmail.com> writes:
Maybe a book recommendation could come off passive aggressive,
but "Leadership and Self Deception" by the Arbinger Institute is a good
read. It's helped me not to be reductionistic about people's motives and to
be wary of justifying myself.

Message of the book is sort of summed up by:
"We deceive ourselves in subtle ways into thinking that we're doing the
right thing for the right reason"
whether this be baiting people or taking the bait.

Crap, I sound religious, but it has been a helpful addition to my view of
the world.

 - Paul
Mar 16 2008
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Paul Findlay wrote:

 Maybe a book recommendation could come off passive aggressive,


I know what you mean. I've resisted posting some "rules of netiquette" 
here because I don't feel I have any justifiable moral high ground on 
such things.

My advice is always the same: don't reply to a post you feel is 
offensive. Doing so just makes things worse.

All of us also sometimes hit the "send" key in haste and immediately 
regret it. If anyone wants me to remove any of their own posts, I'll do 
so if they email me newsgroup and message number. It'll go away from the 
Digital Mars servers, but I can't control any copies that might have 
proliferated.

Many people have regretted posting something inflammatory, and have 
asked me to remove those posts. I am happy to comply.

This offer also extends to fake postings. If you're being impersonated 
by someone else, send me newsgroup/message numbers, and I'll yank them.
Mar 16 2008
next sibling parent anon <anon anon.org> writes:
Walter Bright Wrote:


 Paul Findlay wrote:

 Maybe a book recommendation could come off passive aggressive,


 
 I know what you mean. I've resisted posting some "rules of netiquette" 
 here because I don't feel I have any justifiable moral high ground on 
 such things.


yep. but a vicious parrot has moral high ground over our resident kretinoid.
look at wut hes said 2 u... how did he make u feel. kretinis biggest
contribution to d was to leave u alone.


 My advice is always the same: don't reply to a post you feel is 
 offensive. Doing so just makes things worse.


didnt work 4 janice. kretinis pursued her like a stasi agent.
Mar 17 2008
prev sibling parent reply BCS <BCS pathlink.com> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:


 This offer also extends to fake postings. If you're being impersonated 
 by someone else, send me newsgroup/message numbers, and I'll yank them.


I think I'd rather just have the by-line edited to "Forger" or something 
like that, particularly if the real poster could be identified.
Mar 17 2008
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
BCS wrote:

 Walter Bright wrote:
 

 This offer also extends to fake postings. If you're being impersonated 
 by someone else, send me newsgroup/message numbers, and I'll yank them.


 
 I think I'd rather just have the by-line edited to "Forger" or something 
 like that, particularly if the real poster could be identified.



I refuse to edit posts on general principles, it's a fundamental issue 
of trust. Either they stay or they go, in totality.
Mar 17 2008
parent reply anon <anon anon.org> writes:
Walter Bright Wrote:


 BCS wrote:

 Walter Bright wrote:
 

 This offer also extends to fake postings. If you're being impersonated 
 by someone else, send me newsgroup/message numbers, and I'll yank them.


 
 I think I'd rather just have the by-line edited to "Forger" or something 
 like that, particularly if the real poster could be identified.


 
 
 I refuse to edit posts on general principles, it's a fundamental issue 
 of trust. Either they stay or they go, in totality.


u could add a header like x-forged. the prb is u cant automate detection of
forgery bc almost every1 has dynamic ip.
Mar 17 2008
parent reply BCS <BCS pathlink.com> writes:
anon wrote:

 Walter Bright Wrote:
 
 

BCS wrote:


Walter Bright wrote:



This offer also extends to fake postings. If you're being impersonated 
by someone else, send me newsgroup/message numbers, and I'll yank them.


I think I'd rather just have the by-line edited to "Forger" or something 
like that, particularly if the real poster could be identified.



I refuse to edit posts on general principles, it's a fundamental issue 
of trust. Either they stay or they go, in totality.


 
 
 u could add a header like x-forged. the prb is u cant automate detection of
forgery bc almost every1 has dynamic ip.


I known a guy who could do it based on content.
Mar 17 2008
parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"BCS" <BCS pathlink.com> wrote in message 
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 u could add a header like x-forged. the prb is u cant automate detection 
 of forgery bc almost every1 has dynamic ip.


 I known a guy who could do it based on content.


A very simple quasi-password scheme (I think suggested by downs and how some 
anonymous message boards work), is to have all users place a "password" of 
sorts after their username/email address.  So I might have something like 
"Jarrett Billingsley #foobarbaz".  When the server gets the post, it 
converts the #password into a !hash, so it'd be like "Jarrett Billingsley 
!03acfeeb".  The chances of two passwords hashing to the same value are 
obviously nonzero but slim nonetheless.  It's still definitely defeatable by 
something like a rainbow table but it'd keep all but the most determined 
forgery artists at bay.

Whether or not something like this is possible in an NNTP server is beyond 
me.  :S
Mar 17 2008
parent reply Derek Parnell <derek nomail.afraid.org> writes:
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:11:21 -0400, Jarrett Billingsley wrote:

 A very simple quasi-password scheme ...


Thanks for reminding me. I should be PGP-signing my newsgroup posts.

- -- 
Derek
(skype: derek.j.parnell)
Melbourne, Australia
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Mar 17 2008
parent reply TyTower <tytower msn.com.au> writes:
Derek Parnell Wrote:


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 On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:11:21 -0400, Jarrett Billingsley wrote:

 A very simple quasi-password scheme ...


 
 Thanks for reminding me. I should be PGP-signing my newsgroup posts.
 
 - -- 
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Ummm  err   jeez thats a hard one . Use that ........but dont let the insiders
at the server. Thats where some of them have come from I reckon.

I just offer up that a free board is a very necessary thing in this age of
electronic censorship and Government policing activity. 
If you donīt stand behind free speech you will lose it Some people swear some
donīt.
some drink some donīt some shoot some dont , same with smoking , poison sprays
, genetic modification and so on 

Whatever your pleasure you will be in the minority. EG  if you play Tennis and
people want to ban it you will find the majority will not be participants so it
does not bother them if a few paranoids donīt get to play tennis. - Not well
put but you get my drift?
Mar 18 2008
parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"TyTower" <tytower msn.com.au> wrote in message 
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 Ummm  err   jeez thats a hard one . Use that ........but dont let the 
 insiders at the server. Thats where some of them have come from I reckon.

 I just offer up that a free board is a very necessary thing in this age of 
 electronic censorship and Government policing activity.
 If you donīt stand behind free speech you will lose it Some people swear 
 some donīt.
 some drink some donīt some shoot some dont , same with smoking , poison 
 sprays , genetic modification and so on

 Whatever your pleasure you will be in the minority. EG  if you play Tennis 
 and people want to ban it you will find the majority will not be 
 participants so it does not bother them if a few paranoids donīt get to 
 play tennis. - Not well put but you get my drift?


Free speech is certainly important, but being nasty, immature, and bigoted 
has never been in vogue.  I think you're confusing the two.
Mar 18 2008
parent Ty Tower <tytower hotmail.com.au> writes:
Jarrett Billingsley Wrote:

 

 Free speech is certainly important, but being nasty, immature, and bigoted 
 has never been in vogue.  I think you're confusing the two. 
 
 


You should look to yourself chum . You just can't help yourself    .Drongo
Mar 19 2008