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digitalmars.D - Backquotes look like regular quotes in TDPL?

reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
Is it just me or are the backquotes looking like regular quotes in TDPL? 
They're introduced on page 36, section 2.2.5.1.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jun 28 2010
parent reply Tyro[a.c.edwards] <no.spam home.com> writes:
== Quote from Jacob Carlborg (doob me.com)'s article

 Is it just me or are the backquotes looking like regular quotes in


TDPL?

 They're introduced on page 36, section 2.2.5.1.


It's not you, they do in fact look like regular quotes. That however, is
a byproduct of the font chosen. Look closely at the character used at
the top of table 2.3 of the same page and compare that to the one in
§2.2.5.1 and I'm sure you will see a distinct difference.
Jun 28 2010
next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2010-06-28 12:50, Tyro[a.c.edwards] wrote:

 == Quote from Jacob Carlborg (doob me.com)'s article

 Is it just me or are the backquotes looking like regular quotes in


 TDPL?

 They're introduced on page 36, section 2.2.5.1.


 It's not you, they do in fact look like regular quotes. That however, is
 a byproduct of the font chosen. Look closely at the character used at
 the top of table 2.3 of the same page and compare that to the one in
 §2.2.5.1 and I'm sure you will see a distinct difference.


Yes, I see a difference but a very slightly difference.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jun 28 2010
prev sibling parent reply Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
Tyro[a.c.edwards] wrote:
<snip>

 It's not you, they do in fact look like regular quotes. That however, is
 a byproduct of the font chosen.


<snip>

Therein lies the point - a good designer would have chosen a font that 
clearly distinguishes the various characters that the language uses.

Stewart.
Jun 29 2010
parent reply bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
Stewart Gordon:

 a good designer would have chosen a font that 
 clearly distinguishes the various characters that the language uses.


Finding such font is so hard that I have modified a font (Inconsolata, creating
Inconsolata-g) to see well the chars used in D and Python code, but it lacks a
bold version still, so it was unfit for TDPL. I will create the bold version
too when I find the time, I think it requires a good amount of manual work.

Bye,
bearophile
Jun 29 2010
next sibling parent reply bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
This is how it looks at the normal size, are those backquotes good enough for
you?
http://tinyurl.com/398t3qu

Bye,
bearophile
Jun 29 2010
parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2010-06-29 23.57, bearophile wrote:

 This is how it looks at the normal size, are those backquotes good enough for
you?
 http://tinyurl.com/398t3qu

 Bye,
 bearophile


Yes, those are good enough, they actually look like backquotes :)

-- 
Jacob Carlborg
Jun 30 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply strtr <strtr sp.am> writes:
== Quote from bearophile (bearophileHUGS lycos.com)'s article

 Stewart Gordon:

 a good designer would have chosen a font that
 clearly distinguishes the various characters that the language uses.


 Finding such font is so hard that I have modified a font (Inconsolata, creating


Inconsolata-g) to see well the chars used in D and Python code, but it lacks a
bold version still, so it was unfit for TDPL. I will create the bold version too
when I find the time, I think it requires a good amount of manual work.

 Bye,
 bearophile


I haven't found any such problems with Consolas. (Not that I use that many
different languages)
Jun 29 2010
parent reply bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
strtr

 I haven't found any such problems with Consolas. (Not that I use that many
 different languages)


I see some problems in Consolas (I see such problems even if I use it to
program in D only), time ago here I have given the URL of a list of them that I
have written. In my opinion Inconsolata has less problems than Consolas
(despite in some situations Inconsolata looks blurred on Windows Vista and this
never happens with Consolas), and Inconsolata is an open font that I can modify
freely, while I have no rights to modify Consolas, so I have tried to fix them.

Inconsolata author has appreciated some of my ideas and refused some other
ones, but in the meantime he has not changed Inconsolata, so he's busy or he
doesn't like them after all.

And I think Consolas is the font Andrei has used for the code of TDPL, given
that Inconsolata-g has no bold face yet, I agree with him it's the best choice,
even if not perfect.

Bye,
bearophile
Jun 29 2010
next sibling parent reply KennyTM~ <kennytm gmail.com> writes:
On Jun 30, 10 07:12, bearophile wrote:

 strtr

 I haven't found any such problems with Consolas. (Not that I use that many
 different languages)


 I see some problems in Consolas (I see such problems even if I use it to
program in D only), time ago here I have given the URL of a list of them that I
have written. In my opinion Inconsolata has less problems than Consolas
(despite in some situations Inconsolata looks blurred on Windows Vista and this
never happens with Consolas), and Inconsolata is an open font that I can modify
freely, while I have no rights to modify Consolas, so I have tried to fix them.

 Inconsolata author has appreciated some of my ideas and refused some other
ones, but in the meantime he has not changed Inconsolata, so he's busy or he
doesn't like them after all.

 And I think Consolas is the font Andrei has used for the code of TDPL, given
that Inconsolata-g has no bold face yet, I agree with him it's the best choice,
even if not perfect.


Isn't it Nimbus Mono (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimbus_Mono_L)?


 Bye,
 bearophile
Jun 29 2010
next sibling parent reply bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
KennyTM~:

 Isn't it Nimbus Mono (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimbus_Mono_L)?


I don't know. Probably the name of the font used is written on the second cover
page, or Andrei can tell you.
I didn't know about Nimbus Mono, it looks a lot like Courier New. 

Bye,
bearophile
Jun 30 2010
parent KennyTM~ <kennytm gmail.com> writes:
On Jun 30, 10 17:53, bearophile wrote:

 KennyTM~:

 Isn't it Nimbus Mono (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimbus_Mono_L)?


 I don't know. Probably the name of the font used is written on the second
cover page, or Andrei can tell you.
 I didn't know about Nimbus Mono, it looks a lot like Courier New.

 Bye,
 bearophile


I was just checking the PDF preview chapter on this newsgroup before 
TDPL was published, so I can't be sure either.
Jun 30 2010
prev sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
KennyTM~ wrote:

 On Jun 30, 10 07:12, bearophile wrote:

 strtr

 I haven't found any such problems with Consolas. (Not that I use that 
 many
 different languages)


 I see some problems in Consolas (I see such problems even if I use it 
 to program in D only), time ago here I have given the URL of a list of 
 them that I have written. In my opinion Inconsolata has less problems 
 than Consolas (despite in some situations Inconsolata looks blurred on 
 Windows Vista and this never happens with Consolas), and Inconsolata 
 is an open font that I can modify freely, while I have no rights to 
 modify Consolas, so I have tried to fix them.

 Inconsolata author has appreciated some of my ideas and refused some 
 other ones, but in the meantime he has not changed Inconsolata, so 
 he's busy or he doesn't like them after all.

 And I think Consolas is the font Andrei has used for the code of TDPL, 
 given that Inconsolata-g has no bold face yet, I agree with him it's 
 the best choice, even if not perfect.


 
 Isn't it Nimbus Mono (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimbus_Mono_L)?


It's Bitstream Vera Mono with a few changes.

Andrei
Jun 30 2010
prev sibling parent reply strtr <strtr sp.am> writes:
== Quote from bearophile (bearophileHUGS lycos.com)'s article

 strtr

 I haven't found any such problems with Consolas. (Not that I use that many
 different languages)


 I see some problems in Consolas (I see such problems even if I use it to
program


in D only), time ago here I have given the URL of a list of them that I have
written.
Searched for "consolas" but couldn't find the link :(


 In my opinion Inconsolata has less problems than Consolas (despite in some


situations Inconsolata looks blurred on Windows Vista and this never happens
with
Consolas), and Inconsolata is an open font that I can modify freely, while I
have
no rights to modify Consolas, so I have tried to fix them.

 Inconsolata author has appreciated some of my ideas and refused some other
ones,


Probably a false dichotomy ;)


 but in the meantime he has not changed Inconsolata, so he's busy or he doesn't


like them after all.

 And I think Consolas is the font Andrei has used for the code of TDPL, given


that Inconsolata-g has no bold face yet, I agree with him it's the best choice,
even if not perfect.

 Bye,
 bearophile
Jun 30 2010
parent bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
strtr:

 Searched for "consolas" but couldn't find the link :(


Info on Consolas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolas
Some comments on Inconsolata:
http://tinyurl.com/348vw7n

Bye,
bearophile
Jun 30 2010
prev sibling parent Justin Johansson <no spam.com> writes:
bearophile wrote:

 Stewart Gordon:

 a good designer would have chosen a font that 
 clearly distinguishes the various characters that the language uses.


 
 Finding such font is so hard that I have modified a font (Inconsolata,
creating Inconsolata-g) to see well the chars used in D and Python code, but it
lacks a bold version still, so it was unfit for TDPL. I will create the bold
version too when I find the time, I think it requires a good amount of manual
work.
 
 Bye,
 bearophile


Not only are you expert at unrolling dot product loops,
you unroll fonts as well.

You're a legend bearophile.  :-)

btw. people might appreciate this link:

http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html

Cheers
Justin Johansson
Jun 29 2010