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reply "SomeDude" <lovelydear mailmetrash.com> writes:
Just viewed on reddit:

–]peterlundgren 6 points 10 heures de ça
I keep getting more and more jealous of the few developers out 
there who are getting paid to write software in D.
perma-liensignalergive goldrépondre

[–]MrJNewt 7 points 10 heures de ça
I write D all day at Economic Modeling Specialists 
(www.economicmodeling.com) and we're always interested in resumes 
from experienced developers who know or want to learn D.

I wonder how many companies are using the language in production 
right now.

Should we start a page "They're using D" somewhere ?
Jun 15 2013
next sibling parent "SomeDude" <lovelydear mailmetrash.com> writes:
On Saturday, 15 June 2013 at 08:04:08 UTC, SomeDude wrote:

 Just viewed on reddit:



Forgot: 
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gbu3c/dconf_2013_dspecific_design_patterns_by_david/

(super interesting talk BTW)
Jun 15 2013
prev sibling parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Saturday, 15 June 2013 at 08:04:08 UTC, SomeDude wrote:

 Should we start a page "They're using D" somewhere ?


This page has been the only remaining red link on the new D wiki 
for a while, so I created it:

http://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use

Feel free to add to it. However, is it OK to add companies to 
such a list just because one person mentioned their company was 
using D?
Jun 15 2013
next sibling parent reply Marco Leise <Marco.Leise gmx.de> writes:
Am Sun, 16 Jun 2013 05:10:39 +0200
schrieb "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net>:


 On Saturday, 15 June 2013 at 08:04:08 UTC, SomeDude wrote:

 Should we start a page "They're using D" somewhere ?


 
 This page has been the only remaining red link on the new D wiki 
 for a while, so I created it:
 
 http://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use
 
 Feel free to add to it. However, is it OK to add companies to 
 such a list just because one person mentioned their company was 
 using D?


Ask them officially first. They might see it as a win-win
situation, since when programmers realize they can get real
jobs in interesting fields using D, they might actually write
resumes to those companies one day.

-- 
Marco
Jun 16 2013
parent reply Justin Whear <justin economicmodeling.com> writes:
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:24:59 +0200, Marco Leise wrote:


 Am Sun, 16 Jun 2013 05:10:39 +0200 schrieb "Vladimir Panteleev"
 <vladimir thecybershadow.net>:
 

 On Saturday, 15 June 2013 at 08:04:08 UTC, SomeDude wrote:

 Should we start a page "They're using D" somewhere ?


 
 This page has been the only remaining red link on the new D wiki for a
 while, so I created it:
 
 http://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use
 
 Feel free to add to it. However, is it OK to add companies to such a
 list just because one person mentioned their company was using D?


 
 Ask them officially first. They might see it as a win-win situation,
 since when programmers realize they can get real jobs in interesting
 fields using D, they might actually write resumes to those companies one
 day.


I'm mrjnewt from Reddit;  I read the newsgroups Mon-Fri and post 
infrequently.  The company I work for has been using D since 2008; we 
have quite a few important pieces written in D, including the API which 
powers our webtools, an extremely high performance economic simulation, 
and we're in the process of moving all of our backend data processes to D.
Jun 17 2013
next sibling parent reply "deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 15:48:39 UTC, Justin Whear wrote:

 I'm mrjnewt from Reddit;  I read the newsgroups Mon-Fri and post
 infrequently.  The company I work for has been using D since 
 2008; we
 have quite a few important pieces written in D, including the 
 API which
 powers our webtools, an extremely high performance economic 
 simulation,
 and we're in the process of moving all of our backend data 
 processes to D.


Nice ! Would you mind to give us the name of the company, if, 
obviously, this is compliant with the company policy ? I really 
do think this is a good way to promote both D and your company 
(probably not to customers, but to potential hire).
Jun 17 2013
parent reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:23:59 -0400, deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> wrot=
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-Steve
Jun 17 2013
parent reply Justin Whear <justin economicmodeling.com> writes:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:26:59 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:


 On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:23:59 -0400, deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com>
 wrote:
 

 On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 15:48:39 UTC, Justin Whear wrote:

 I'm mrjnewt from Reddit;  I read the newsgroups Mon-Fri and post
 infrequently.  The company I work for has been using D since 2008; we
 have quite a few important pieces written in D, including the API
 which powers our webtools, an extremely high performance economic
 simulation,
 and we're in the process of moving all of our backend data processes
 to D.


 Nice ! Would you mind to give us the name of the company, if,
 obviously,
 this is compliant with the company policy ? I really do think this is a
 good way to promote both D and your company (probably not to customers,
 but to potential hire).


 
  From OP:
 
 [–]MrJNewt 7 points 10 heures de ça I write D all day at Economic
 Modeling Specialists (www.economicmodeling.com) and we're always
 interested in resumes from experienced developers who know or want to
 learn D.
 
 -Steve


That's it.  We don't seem to have a developer-oriented "about" page, but 
here's some info about us: http://www.economicmodeling.com/about-emsi/

As far as hiring goes, we're interested in smart, self-guided people who 
have systems language experience.  We're at the forefront of our 
particular field, so we really need folks who can solve problems on their 
own, ask questions once, and not repeat mistakes.

Out of politeness to everyone else on the newsgroup I probably shouldn't 
be engaged in too much promotion here, but feel free to email me 
privately if you're curious or are interested in sending us your resume.

Disclaimer: I don't have any direct hiring power; I just really like 
working here.
Jun 17 2013
next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 6/17/2013 9:46 AM, Justin Whear wrote:

 That's it.  We don't seem to have a developer-oriented "about" page, but
 here's some info about us: http://www.economicmodeling.com/about-emsi/

 As far as hiring goes, we're interested in smart, self-guided people who
 have systems language experience.  We're at the forefront of our
 particular field, so we really need folks who can solve problems on their
 own, ask questions once, and not repeat mistakes.

 Out of politeness to everyone else on the newsgroup I probably shouldn't
 be engaged in too much promotion here, but feel free to email me
 privately if you're curious or are interested in sending us your resume.


Since you're hiring D developers, you're welcome to post job announcements in 
the D.announce n.g.

It would also be awesome if your company would do a brief writeup about their 
use of D and real world experience with it.
Jun 17 2013
prev sibling parent reply Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
On 6/17/13, Justin Whear <justin economicmodeling.com> wrote:

 we really need folks who can solve problems on their
 own, ask questions once, and not repeat mistakes.


So basically, people who don't exist.
Jun 17 2013
parent reply Justin Whear <justin economicmodeling.com> writes:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:12:29 +0200, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:


 On 6/17/13, Justin Whear <justin economicmodeling.com> wrote:

 we really need folks who can solve problems on their own, ask questions
 once, and not repeat mistakes.


 
 So basically, people who don't exist.


Hah, that's the ideal.  It's not like we have some system of punishing 
people who screw up, we just expect people to learn from their mistakes, 
something which is not true of everyone.
Jun 17 2013
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 6/17/13 3:54 PM, Justin Whear wrote:

 On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:12:29 +0200, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:


 On 6/17/13, Justin Whear<justin economicmodeling.com>  wrote:

 we really need folks who can solve problems on their own, ask questions
 once, and not repeat mistakes.


 So basically, people who don't exist.


 Hah, that's the ideal.  It's not like we have some system of punishing
 people who screw up, we just expect people to learn from their mistakes,
 something which is not true of everyone.


When interviewing I'm observant to how candidates respond to various 
suggestions for improving their code. Some put effort in assessing the 
value of the suggestion and incorporate it if they find it good, or 
discuss it if they don't. Some others just make it a point that they 
didn't make a mistake, do all they can to defend code as is, and 
generally are unwilling to change code (even if sometimes is severely 
broken). That's a red flag.


Andrei
Jun 17 2013
parent Justin Whear <justin economicmodeling.com> writes:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:20:11 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:


 On 6/17/13 3:54 PM, Justin Whear wrote:

 On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:12:29 +0200, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:


 On 6/17/13, Justin Whear<justin economicmodeling.com>  wrote:

 we really need folks who can solve problems on their own, ask
 questions once, and not repeat mistakes.


 So basically, people who don't exist.


 Hah, that's the ideal.  It's not like we have some system of punishing
 people who screw up, we just expect people to learn from their
 mistakes,
 something which is not true of everyone.


 
 When interviewing I'm observant to how candidates respond to various
 suggestions for improving their code. Some put effort in assessing the
 value of the suggestion and incorporate it if they find it good, or
 discuss it if they don't. Some others just make it a point that they
 didn't make a mistake, do all they can to defend code as is, and
 generally are unwilling to change code (even if sometimes is severely
 broken). That's a red flag.
 
 
 Andrei


In our case it's really that individuals are expected to own a project;  
we don't have a lot of external deadlines or requirements, so we can't 
afford to have people who require pushing.  It's great because you 
generally get to work on what you want and take the time to do it 
properly, but that freedom can only work if there's a corresponding 
discipline and self-motivation.
Jun 17 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 6/17/13 11:48 AM, Justin Whear wrote:

 I'm mrjnewt from Reddit;  I read the newsgroups Mon-Fri and post
 infrequently.  The company I work for has been using D since 2008; we
 have quite a few important pieces written in D, including the API which
 powers our webtools, an extremely high performance economic simulation,
 and we're in the process of moving all of our backend data processes to D.


Hi Justin - that's great to hear. What version of D are you using, which 
compiler are you using (dmd/gcd/ldc), and what is your schedule for 
upgrading the compiler?


Thanks,

Andrei
Jun 17 2013
next sibling parent reply Justin Whear <justin economicmodeling.com> writes:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:49:36 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:


 On 6/17/13 11:48 AM, Justin Whear wrote:

 I'm mrjnewt from Reddit;  I read the newsgroups Mon-Fri and post
 infrequently.  The company I work for has been using D since 2008; we
 have quite a few important pieces written in D, including the API which
 powers our webtools, an extremely high performance economic simulation,
 and we're in the process of moving all of our backend data processes to
 D.


 
 Hi Justin - that's great to hear. What version of D are you using, which
 compiler are you using (dmd/gcd/ldc), and what is your schedule for
 upgrading the compiler?
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Andrei


Most of our projects track fairly closely with the latest DMD release;  
our main projects are on 2.062 right now.  We have some fairly 
substantial codebases, so there's generally a two to four week lag in 
adoption of the latest release.  Each project is free to work with 
whatever version they want, so we find DVM pretty handy.  Each of the 
last few DMD releases has broken our latest big project, so there's 
generally a day of grumbling while we figure out what needs to change, 
then we forget about it.
Our developers can request whatever hardware/OS they want to work on, 
with most folks on Linux or OSX and a few using Windows 7.  Most 
production code is built and run on Debian servers, so we pay attention 
to Linux tool support but not much else OS-specific.
Jun 17 2013
parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-06-17 19:05, Justin Whear wrote:


 Each project is free to work with whatever version they want, so we
 find DVM pretty handy.


Cool, I'm glad to hear that people are using it.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jun 18 2013
prev sibling parent reply Justin Whear <justin economicmodeling.com> writes:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:49:36 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:


 On 6/17/13 11:48 AM, Justin Whear wrote:

 I'm mrjnewt from Reddit;  I read the newsgroups Mon-Fri and post
 infrequently.  The company I work for has been using D since 2008; we
 have quite a few important pieces written in D, including the API which
 powers our webtools, an extremely high performance economic simulation,
 and we're in the process of moving all of our backend data processes to
 D.


 
 Hi Justin - that's great to hear. What version of D are you using, which
 compiler are you using (dmd/gcd/ldc), and what is your schedule for
 upgrading the compiler?
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Andrei


This request made me get off my rear and see what holding up adoption of 
2.063 on my current project.  I've filed a regression bug here: http://
d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=10394
Jun 17 2013
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 6/17/13 4:56 PM, Justin Whear wrote:

 On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:49:36 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:


 On 6/17/13 11:48 AM, Justin Whear wrote:

 I'm mrjnewt from Reddit;  I read the newsgroups Mon-Fri and post
 infrequently.  The company I work for has been using D since 2008; we
 have quite a few important pieces written in D, including the API which
 powers our webtools, an extremely high performance economic simulation,
 and we're in the process of moving all of our backend data processes to
 D.


 Hi Justin - that's great to hear. What version of D are you using, which
 compiler are you using (dmd/gcd/ldc), and what is your schedule for
 upgrading the compiler?


 Thanks,

 Andrei


 This request made me get off my rear and see what holding up adoption of
 2.063 on my current project.  I've filed a regression bug here: http://
 d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=10394


Thanks! I added a bugzilla keyword "industry" to stand for "The bug 
report is causing issues in industrial use (corporation using D in 
production)."


Andrei
Jun 17 2013
parent Jonathan Crapuchettes <jcrapuchettes gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:08:11 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:


 On 6/17/13 4:56 PM, Justin Whear wrote:

 On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:49:36 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:


 On 6/17/13 11:48 AM, Justin Whear wrote:

 I'm mrjnewt from Reddit;  I read the newsgroups Mon-Fri and post
 infrequently.  The company I work for has been using D since 2008; we
 have quite a few important pieces written in D, including the API
 which powers our webtools, an extremely high performance economic
 simulation,
 and we're in the process of moving all of our backend data processes
 to D.


 Hi Justin - that's great to hear. What version of D are you using,
 which compiler are you using (dmd/gcd/ldc), and what is your schedule
 for upgrading the compiler?


 Thanks,

 Andrei


 This request made me get off my rear and see what holding up adoption
 of 2.063 on my current project.  I've filed a regression bug here:
 http:// d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=10394


 
 Thanks! I added a bugzilla keyword "industry" to stand for "The bug
 report is causing issues in industrial use (corporation using D in
 production)."
 
 
 Andrei


Thank you for adding the keyword. We at EMSI have a few other tickets 
that can use that keyword.

Jonathan
Jun 17 2013
prev sibling parent reply evansl <cppljevans suddenlink.net> writes:
On 06/17/13 10:48, Justin Whear wrote:

 On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:24:59 +0200, Marco Leise wrote:
 

 Am Sun, 16 Jun 2013 05:10:39 +0200 schrieb "Vladimir Panteleev"
 <vladimir thecybershadow.net>:


 On Saturday, 15 June 2013 at 08:04:08 UTC, SomeDude wrote:

 Should we start a page "They're using D" somewhere ?


 This page has been the only remaining red link on the new D wiki for a
 while, so I created it:

 http://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use

 Feel free to add to it. However, is it OK to add companies to such a
 list just because one person mentioned their company was using D?


 Ask them officially first. They might see it as a win-win situation,
 since when programmers realize they can get real jobs in interesting
 fields using D, they might actually write resumes to those companies one
 day.


 
 I'm mrjnewt from Reddit;  I read the newsgroups Mon-Fri and post 
 infrequently.  The company I work for has been using D since 2008; we 
 have quite a few important pieces written in D, including the API which 
 powers our webtools, an extremely high performance economic simulation, 
 and we're in the process of moving all of our backend data processes to D.
 


Based on:

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/Slow_performance_compared_to_C_ideas_199429.html

and the belief that c++ is used a lot in Quant. Finance,
at least according to:

http://www.datasimfinancial.com/

which says:

C++ is a standard in Quantitative Finance

I'm wondering why your company is using D?
Please no flame wars.  I'm pretty experienced with c++
and only dabbled with D, but I'd really like to know
if D is appropriate for intensive numerical calculations.
OTOH, maybe Justin's company does not do heavy numerics.

-regards,
Larry
Jun 17 2013
parent Justin Whear <justin economicmodeling.com> writes:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:22:49 -0500, evansl wrote:


 On 06/17/13 10:48, Justin Whear wrote:

 On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:24:59 +0200, Marco Leise wrote:
 

 Am Sun, 16 Jun 2013 05:10:39 +0200 schrieb "Vladimir Panteleev"
 <vladimir thecybershadow.net>:


 On Saturday, 15 June 2013 at 08:04:08 UTC, SomeDude wrote:

 Should we start a page "They're using D" somewhere ?


 This page has been the only remaining red link on the new D wiki for
 a while, so I created it:

 http://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use

 Feel free to add to it. However, is it OK to add companies to such a
 list just because one person mentioned their company was using D?


 Ask them officially first. They might see it as a win-win situation,
 since when programmers realize they can get real jobs in interesting
 fields using D, they might actually write resumes to those companies
 one day.


 
 I'm mrjnewt from Reddit;  I read the newsgroups Mon-Fri and post
 infrequently.  The company I work for has been using D since 2008; we
 have quite a few important pieces written in D, including the API which
 powers our webtools, an extremely high performance economic simulation,
 and we're in the process of moving all of our backend data processes to
 D.
 


 Based on:
 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/


Slow_performance_compared_to_C_ideas_199429.html

 
 and the belief that c++ is used a lot in Quant. Finance,
 at least according to:
 
 http://www.datasimfinancial.com/
 
 which says:
 
 C++ is a standard in Quantitative Finance
 
 I'm wondering why your company is using D?
 Please no flame wars.  I'm pretty experienced with c++
 and only dabbled with D, but I'd really like to know if D is appropriate
 for intensive numerical calculations.
 OTOH, maybe Justin's company does not do heavy numerics.
 
 -regards,
 Larry


We do some pretty heavy stuff, numerics-wise, though I'm not sure what 
scale you think in.  We have a simulation of the entire US economy (down 
to county and ZIP code geography, highly detailed demographics, all NAICS 
(industry codes), all SOC (occupation codes)) that can be perturbed via 
our online tool and which has response times measured in seconds.  It's 
written entirely in D though it leverages Intel MKL for the linear 
algebra.

Our US data processes are being transitioned over to D, the final product 
of which produces 10+ billion final data points per quarter. The dataset 
is largely synthesized, so there are many intermediate points.  We have a 
lot of custom D code for doing things like solving inconsistent 
hierarchical, many dimensional, highly-underdetermined systems.  We find 
that incorporating as much knowledge at compile time as possible tends to 
give very good results on the performance front.  In some places we use 
CTFE to generate x86 assembly to do tricksy things like avoiding 
branching.

In general I'd say that D's performance has been just fine;  anything 
that isn't fast enough is usually already done better by tried and true C 
libs.  And D makes calling those easy; LAPACK functions pack type and 
size information into their names, we make it easy to call the 
appropriate version by simply creating a general function for each C 
"overload set" that's templated on the type and number of arguments and 
which uses a string mixin to generate a call to the appropriate version 
of the C function.
Jun 17 2013
prev sibling parent reply "Andrea Fontana" <nospam example.com> writes:
On Sunday, 16 June 2013 at 03:10:45 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Saturday, 15 June 2013 at 08:04:08 UTC, SomeDude wrote:

 Should we start a page "They're using D" somewhere ?


 This page has been the only remaining red link on the new D 
 wiki for a while, so I created it:

 http://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use

 Feel free to add to it. However, is it OK to add companies to 
 such a list just because one person mentioned their company was 
 using D?


Who can edit that page? We use it to parse search engine queries 
by users and for serving (via fastcgi) webservice for our 
android/iphone app (approx 100.000 downloads). And other 
minor/internal things...
Jun 17 2013
parent "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Monday, 17 June 2013 at 08:36:18 UTC, Andrea Fontana wrote:

 http://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use


 Who can edit that page?


Anyone with a wiki account, which anyone should be able to create.
Jun 17 2013