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reply "Robert Nagel" <rcnagel gmail.com> writes:
I was browsing the site for the first time and I am put off 
somewhat by the use of advertisements on the bottom of the site 
pages. I understand that it can help to raise money but I feel it 
somewhat hurts the professional appearance of the site.

Didn't know where else to post this, just chipping in my few 
cents.

Thanks,

Rob

P.S.: Here is just one example, look at the bottom.
http://dlang.org/type.html
Dec 08 2013
next sibling parent reply "ed" <sillymongrel gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 9 December 2013 at 04:33:34 UTC, Robert Nagel wrote:

 I was browsing the site for the first time and I am put off 
 somewhat by the use of advertisements on the bottom of the site 
 pages. I understand that it can help to raise money but I feel 
 it somewhat hurts the professional appearance of the site.

 Didn't know where else to post this, just chipping in my few 
 cents.

 Thanks,

 Rob

 P.S.: Here is just one example, look at the bottom.
 http://dlang.org/type.html


I followed the link and I do not see any ads.
Dec 08 2013
next sibling parent reply "Robert Nagel" <rcnagel gmail.com> writes:
 I followed the link and I do not see any ads.


Could it be that you are using an adblocker? It is there.

<div id="google_ad">
<!-- Google ad -->
<script type="text/javascript"><!--
/**/google_ad_client = "pub-5628673096434613";
/**/google_ad_width = 728;
/**/google_ad_height = 90;
/**/google_ad_format = "728x90_as";
/**/google_ad_channel ="3651639259";
/**/google_page_url = document.location;
//--></script>
<script type="text/javascript" 
src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
</script>
</div>
Dec 08 2013
parent "ed" <sillymongrel gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 9 December 2013 at 04:52:49 UTC, Robert Nagel wrote:

 I followed the link and I do not see any ads.


 Could it be that you are using an adblocker? It is there.

 <div id="google_ad">
 <!-- Google ad -->
 <script type="text/javascript"><!--
 /**/google_ad_client = "pub-5628673096434613";
 /**/google_ad_width = 728;
 /**/google_ad_height = 90;
 /**/google_ad_format = "728x90_as";
 /**/google_ad_channel ="3651639259";
 /**/google_page_url = document.location;
 //--></script>
 <script type="text/javascript" 
 src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
 </script>
 </div>


Very likely, I do have Ghostery running. Looks like I was wrong 
about the commented out block of code.

I agree having ads is crap, I'm glad I've never seen them before 
:) I suppose the cost of hosting this site has to be paid for 
somehow.

Cheers,
ed
Dec 08 2013
prev sibling parent reply "ed" <sillymongrel gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 9 December 2013 at 04:46:41 UTC, ed wrote:

 On Monday, 9 December 2013 at 04:33:34 UTC, Robert Nagel wrote:

 I was browsing the site for the first time and I am put off 
 somewhat by the use of advertisements on the bottom of the 
 site pages. I understand that it can help to raise money but I 
 feel it somewhat hurts the professional appearance of the site.

 Didn't know where else to post this, just chipping in my few 
 cents.

 Thanks,

 Rob

 P.S.: Here is just one example, look at the bottom.
 http://dlang.org/type.html


 I followed the link and I do not see any ads.


In the sources for that page there is this...
---
[snip]

<div id="google_ad">
<!-- Google ad -->
<script type="text/javascript"><!--
/**/google_ad_client = "pub-5628673096434613";
/**/google_ad_width = 728;
/**/google_ad_height = 90;
/**/google_ad_format = "728x90_as";
/**/google_ad_channel ="3651639259";
/**/google_page_url = document.location;
//--></script>
<script type="text/javascript" 
src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
</script>
</div>
</div><!--/content-->

[snip]
---

But it appears the ad parameters are commented out with a <!-- .. 
--> so I don't know why it appears for you and not me.

Cheers,
ed
Dec 08 2013
next sibling parent reply "Robert Nagel" <rcnagel gmail.com> writes:
 But it appears the ad parameters are commented out with a <!-- 
 .. --> so I don't know why it appears for you and not me.

 Cheers,
 ed


Interesting, I am using Firefox and it does not recognize that as 
a valid comment it appears. I tried again on Chrome and still saw 
the ad. Which browser are you using?
Dec 08 2013
parent "Robert Nagel" <rcnagel gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 9 December 2013 at 04:58:26 UTC, Robert Nagel wrote:

 But it appears the ad parameters are commented out with a <!-- 
 .. --> so I don't know why it appears for you and not me.

 Cheers,
 ed


 Interesting, I am using Firefox and it does not recognize that 
 as a valid comment it appears. I tried again on Chrome and 
 still saw the ad. Which browser are you using?


I would also still wonder if you are using and Ad blocker. My 
point remains that if there are not supposed to be ads on the 
page, or even if there are, they feel wrong being there at all.
Dec 08 2013
prev sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-12-09 05:54, ed wrote:


 In the sources for that page there is this...
 ---
 [snip]

 <div id="google_ad">
 <!-- Google ad -->
 <script type="text/javascript"><!--
 /**/google_ad_client = "pub-5628673096434613";
 /**/google_ad_width = 728;
 /**/google_ad_height = 90;
 /**/google_ad_format = "728x90_as";
 /**/google_ad_channel ="3651639259";
 /**/google_page_url = document.location;
 //--></script>
 <script type="text/javascript"
 src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
 </script>
 </div>
 </div><!--/content-->

 [snip]
 ---

 But it appears the ad parameters are commented out with a <!-- .. --> so
 I don't know why it appears for you and not me.


They're not commented out.

Comment starts and ends here:
<!-- Google ad -->

Comment starts here, but inside the JavaScript block. I have no idea how 
browsers handle this:
<script type="text/javascript"><!--

JavaScript comment starts and ends here:
/**/google_ad_client = "pub-5628673096434613";

Comment ends here, but inside the JavaScript block and commented out 
using JavaScript:
//--></script>

Comment starts and ends here:
<!--/content-->

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Dec 09 2013
parent reply "Gary Willoughby" <dev nomad.so> writes:
On Monday, 9 December 2013 at 08:19:49 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 Comment starts here, but inside the JavaScript block. I have no 
 idea how browsers handle this:
 <script type="text/javascript"><!--

 JavaScript comment starts and ends here:
 /**/google_ad_client = "pub-5628673096434613";

 Comment ends here, but inside the JavaScript block and 
 commented out using JavaScript:
 //--></script>


It's an old trick. The comment is a HTML comment to stop browsers 
that don't handle JavaScript from interpreting the JS code as 
HTML. The closing bracket is commented out because the JS 
interpreter fails when reading it. This is from back in the day 
when IE didn't handle JS only VBScript.
Dec 09 2013
parent Daniel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Koz=E1k?= <kozzi11 gmail.com> writes:
Yes, and as a benefit when you validate your xhtml code in w3c validator
you do not have problem with expresions like a < b

Gary Willoughby píše v Po 09. 12. 2013 v 13:53 +0100:

 On Monday, 9 December 2013 at 08:19:49 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 Comment starts here, but inside the JavaScript block. I have no 
 idea how browsers handle this:
 <script type="text/javascript"><!--

 JavaScript comment starts and ends here:
 /**/google_ad_client = "pub-5628673096434613";

 Comment ends here, but inside the JavaScript block and 
 commented out using JavaScript:
 //--></script>


 
 It's an old trick. The comment is a HTML comment to stop browsers 
 that don't handle JavaScript from interpreting the JS code as 
 HTML. The closing bracket is commented out because the JS 
 interpreter fails when reading it. This is from back in the day 
 when IE didn't handle JS only VBScript.
Dec 09 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Adam Wilson" <flyboynw gmail.com> writes:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 20:33:33 -0800, Robert Nagel <rcnagel gmail.com> wrote:


 I was browsing the site for the first time and I am put off somewhat by  
 the use of advertisements on the bottom of the site pages. I understand  
 that it can help to raise money but I feel it somewhat hurts the  
 professional appearance of the site.

 Didn't know where else to post this, just chipping in my few cents.

 Thanks,

 Rob

 P.S.: Here is just one example, look at the bottom.
 http://dlang.org/type.html


I tend to agree. +1

Also note that many businesses (mine included) use firewalls that can  
automatically detect and strip ads, which will limit their usefulness.  
However, I can confirm there existence on my home computers.

-- 
Adam Wilson
IRC: LightBender
Project Coordinator
The Horizon Project
http://www.thehorizonproject.org/
Dec 08 2013
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 12/8/2013 9:18 PM, Adam Wilson wrote:

 I can confirm there existence on my home computers.


They aren't a secret. They are there on purpose, and have always been there,
and 
help defray the site hosting fees.

I actually kind of like seeing what Google thinks are relevant ads for D :-)

I briefly tried Amazon context sensitive ads, hoping they would show ads for 
relevant programming books. Wouldn't that be cool? But most of the ads were for 
the latest Batman movie. Even worse, it would delay the page loading by up to
40 
seconds. So I gave up and removed them.


As an aside, I recently bought a kitchen faucet. For weeks afterwards, I was 
bombarded on web pages by ads for that very same faucet from the same vendor. 
How many kitchens did they think I have? It was an epic fail of their (I don't 
know which company did the ad delivery) data mining ad delivery software.
Dec 09 2013
next sibling parent "matovitch" <camille.brugel laposte.net> writes:
On Monday, 9 December 2013 at 09:14:16 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 I actually kind of like seeing what Google thinks are relevant 
 ads for D :-)


What about Sociomantic ? At least if the ads wouldn't be 
relevant, the advertiser would be. ;-)
Dec 09 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org> writes:
On 9 December 2013 09:14, Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> wrote:

 On 12/8/2013 9:18 PM, Adam Wilson wrote:

 I can confirm there existence on my home computers.



 They aren't a secret. They are there on purpose, and have always been there,
 and help defray the site hosting fees.

 I actually kind of like seeing what Google thinks are relevant ads for D :-)

 I briefly tried Amazon context sensitive ads, hoping they would show ads for
 relevant programming books. Wouldn't that be cool? But most of the ads were
 for the latest Batman movie. Even worse, it would delay the page loading by
 up to 40 seconds. So I gave up and removed them.


 As an aside, I recently bought a kitchen faucet. For weeks afterwards, I was
 bombarded on web pages by ads for that very same faucet from the same
 vendor. How many kitchens did they think I have? It was an epic fail of
 their (I don't know which company did the ad delivery) data mining ad
 delivery software.


In my most recently departed job at a hosting company, we used to
always get google adverts from competing companies, some of whom
worked just two doors down in the University our office was based. ;-)
Dec 09 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Adam Wilson" <flyboynw gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 01:14:17 -0800, Walter Bright  
<newshound2 digitalmars.com> wrote:


 On 12/8/2013 9:18 PM, Adam Wilson wrote:

 I can confirm there existence on my home computers.


 They aren't a secret. They are there on purpose, and have always been  
 there, and help defray the site hosting fees.

 I actually kind of like seeing what Google thinks are relevant ads for D  
 :-)

 I briefly tried Amazon context sensitive ads, hoping they would show ads  
 for relevant programming books. Wouldn't that be cool? But most of the  
 ads were for the latest Batman movie. Even worse, it would delay the  
 page loading by up to 40 seconds. So I gave up and removed them.


 As an aside, I recently bought a kitchen faucet. For weeks afterwards, I  
 was bombarded on web pages by ads for that very same faucet from the  
 same vendor. How many kitchens did they think I have? It was an epic  
 fail of their (I don't know which company did the ad delivery) data  
 mining ad delivery software.


Oh I know that they are there on purpose. I was just confirming their  
existence to those who use ad-blockers. :-)

I also understand why they are there. But I also agree that it doesn't  
help the professionalism of the site. I was just throwing in my opinion,  
but we all know how much those are worth... :-)

-- 
Adam Wilson
IRC: LightBender
Project Coordinator
The Horizon Project
http://www.thehorizonproject.org/
Dec 09 2013
prev sibling parent reply John J <john.joyus gmail.com> writes:
On 12/09/2013 04:14 AM, Walter Bright wrote:


 They aren't a secret. They are there on purpose, and have always been
 there, and help defray the site hosting fees.


I have now unblocked this website for ads, hoping it helps. I might as 
well click on them if there is anything interesting..
Dec 09 2013
parent "ed" <sillymongrel gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 9 December 2013 at 18:12:14 UTC, John J wrote:

 On 12/09/2013 04:14 AM, Walter Bright wrote:


 They aren't a secret. They are there on purpose, and have 
 always been
 there, and help defray the site hosting fees.


 I have now unblocked this website for ads, hoping it helps. I 
 might as well click on them if there is anything interesting..


I've done the same
Dec 09 2013
prev sibling parent reply Marco Leise <Marco.Leise gmx.de> writes:
Am Mon, 09 Dec 2013 05:33:33 +0100
schrieb "Robert Nagel" <rcnagel gmail.com>:


 I was browsing the site for the first time and I am put off 
 somewhat by the use of advertisements on the bottom of the site 
 pages. I understand that it can help to raise money but I feel it 
 somewhat hurts the professional appearance of the site.
 
 Didn't know where else to post this, just chipping in my few 
 cents.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Rob
 
 P.S.: Here is just one example, look at the bottom.
 http://dlang.org/type.html


Looks like Opera doesn't understand that it should display
ads. I've never seen any on dlang.org.

-- 
Marco
Dec 09 2013
parent reply Daniel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Koz=E1k?= <kozzi11 gmail.com> writes:
Marco Leise píše v Po 09. 12. 2013 v 10:31 +0100:

 Am Mon, 09 Dec 2013 05:33:33 +0100
 schrieb "Robert Nagel" <rcnagel gmail.com>:
 

 I was browsing the site for the first time and I am put off 
 somewhat by the use of advertisements on the bottom of the site 
 pages. I understand that it can help to raise money but I feel it 
 somewhat hurts the professional appearance of the site.
 
 Didn't know where else to post this, just chipping in my few 
 cents.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Rob
 
 P.S.: Here is just one example, look at the bottom.
 http://dlang.org/type.html


 
 Looks like Opera doesn't understand that it should display
 ads. I've never seen any on dlang.org.
 


In my case opera show this ads (12.16), but honestly I have never
noticed it until now
Dec 09 2013
parent Marco Leise <Marco.Leise gmx.de> writes:
Am Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:53:00 +0100
schrieb Daniel Koz=C3=A1k <kozzi11 gmail.com>:


 Marco Leise p=C3=AD=C5=A1e v Po 09. 12. 2013 v 10:31 +0100:

 Am Mon, 09 Dec 2013 05:33:33 +0100
 schrieb "Robert Nagel" <rcnagel gmail.com>:
=20

 I was browsing the site for the first time and I am put off=20
 somewhat by the use of advertisements on the bottom of the site=20
 pages. I understand that it can help to raise money but I feel it=20
 somewhat hurts the professional appearance of the site.
=20
 Didn't know where else to post this, just chipping in my few=20
 cents.
=20
 Thanks,
=20
 Rob
=20
 P.S.: Here is just one example, look at the bottom.
 http://dlang.org/type.html


=20
 Looks like Opera doesn't understand that it should display
 ads. I've never seen any on dlang.org.
=20


=20
 In my case opera show this ads (12.16), but honestly I have never
 noticed it until now
=20


Oh my fault, I must have blocked
http:/*.googlesyndication.com/*
too long ago to remember it was filtered for dlang.org

--=20
Marco
Dec 09 2013