• Arcane Jill (14/14) Jun 12 2004 Hi,
• Walter (15/28) Jun 13 2004 fast,
• The Dr ... who? (11/42) Jun 13 2004 You're not wrong, about either the need for SEH compatibility, or its co...
• Charlie (4/40) Jun 13 2004 Perverse!
• Walter (3/6) Jun 13 2004 That's a good introduction to SEH, thanks.

Arcane Jill <Arcane_member pathlink.com> writes:

Hi,

I don't understand why exceptions are so slow in D. They should be very fast,
because, (in my imagination, at least), they don't have to do much. But I just
wrote a piece of code yesterday which used pretty much used exceptions like a
fancy goto (thanks for that description, guys) and it ran unbelievebly slowly.
When I recoded it without exceptions, the speedup was phenomenal.

But in my imagination, all you have to do to throw an exception in D is load the
stack pointer with a previously stashed value, stash a pointer to the /next/
exception frame down (ready for next time), and perform a jump (through some
sort of lookup table based on the type of object thrown). I'm obviously missing
something though - it must be doing much more than that or it wouldn't take so
long.

What am I missing? What else does it have to do?

Arcane Jill

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

"Arcane Jill" <Arcane_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:cagtdm$1ug5$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Hi,

 I don't understand why exceptions are so slow in D. They should be very

fast,
 because, (in my imagination, at least), they don't have to do much. But I

just
 wrote a piece of code yesterday which used pretty much used exceptions

like a
 fancy goto (thanks for that description, guys) and it ran unbelievebly

slowly.
 When I recoded it without exceptions, the speedup was phenomenal.

 But in my imagination, all you have to do to throw an exception in D is

load the
 stack pointer with a previously stashed value, stash a pointer to the

/next/
 exception frame down (ready for next time), and perform a jump (through

some
 sort of lookup table based on the type of object thrown). I'm obviously

missing
 something though - it must be doing much more than that or it wouldn't

take so
 long.

 What am I missing? What else does it have to do?

It has to be compatible with Microsoft's "Windows Structured Exception
Handling" which is far too complicated to explain in a simple post.

But it shouldn't matter if it is relatively slow. Exceptions should be for
exceptional cases, not the ordinary program flow.

"The Dr ... who?" <thedr who.com> writes:

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:cagu40$1vnd$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Arcane Jill" <Arcane_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
 news:cagtdm$1ug5$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Hi,

 I don't understand why exceptions are so slow in D. They should be very

 fast,
 because, (in my imagination, at least), they don't have to do much. But I

 just
 wrote a piece of code yesterday which used pretty much used exceptions

 like a
 fancy goto (thanks for that description, guys) and it ran unbelievebly

 slowly.
 When I recoded it without exceptions, the speedup was phenomenal.

 But in my imagination, all you have to do to throw an exception in D is

 load the
 stack pointer with a previously stashed value, stash a pointer to the

 /next/
 exception frame down (ready for next time), and perform a jump (through

 some
 sort of lookup table based on the type of object thrown). I'm obviously

 missing
 something though - it must be doing much more than that or it wouldn't

 take so
 long.

 What am I missing? What else does it have to do?

 It has to be compatible with Microsoft's "Windows Structured Exception
 Handling" which is far too complicated to explain in a simple post.

You're not wrong, about either the need for SEH compatibility, or its
complexity.

 But it shouldn't matter if it is relatively slow. Exceptions should be for
 exceptional cases, not the ordinary program flow.

Exactamundo. Theoretically, I concur. Practically, D is not Java, does not have
a
byte-code interpreter, and therefore must interact with the machine for things
like /0 and *NULL. Hence, it is slow. QED


-- 
The Dr.

da-da-da-dum, da-da-da-dum, da-da-da-dum, daaah
da-da-da-dum, da-da-da-dum, da-da-da-dum, daaah
woo-ooooo

Charlie <Charlie_member pathlink.com> writes:

It has to be compatible with Microsoft's "Windows Structured Exception
Handling" which is far too complicated to explain in a simple post.

Heres a good article http://www.codetools.com/cpp/exceptionhandler.asp 

 pretty much used exceptions
like a
 fancy goto 


Perverse!

Charlie

In article <cagu40$1vnd$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
"Arcane Jill" <Arcane_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:cagtdm$1ug5$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Hi,

 I don't understand why exceptions are so slow in D. They should be very

fast,
 because, (in my imagination, at least), they don't have to do much. But I

just
 wrote a piece of code yesterday which used pretty much used exceptions

like a
 fancy goto (thanks for that description, guys) and it ran unbelievebly

slowly.
 When I recoded it without exceptions, the speedup was phenomenal.

 But in my imagination, all you have to do to throw an exception in D is

load the
 stack pointer with a previously stashed value, stash a pointer to the

/next/
 exception frame down (ready for next time), and perform a jump (through

some
 sort of lookup table based on the type of object thrown). I'm obviously

missing
 something though - it must be doing much more than that or it wouldn't

take so
 long.

 What am I missing? What else does it have to do?

It has to be compatible with Microsoft's "Windows Structured Exception
Handling" which is far too complicated to explain in a simple post.

But it shouldn't matter if it is relatively slow. Exceptions should be for
exceptional cases, not the ordinary program flow.

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

"Charlie" <Charlie_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:cahflb$2onn$1 digitaldaemon.com...
It has to be compatible with Microsoft's "Windows Structured Exception
Handling" which is far too complicated to explain in a simple post.

 Heres a good article http://www.codetools.com/cpp/exceptionhandler.asp

That's a good introduction to SEH, thanks.