digitalmars.D - mailing list vs news group
- braddr puremagic.com (9/9) Feb 18 2006 Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came ...
- Wang Zhen (3/18) Feb 18 2006 No. NG is fine. I do wish the web version supported full-text search,
- Regan Heath (6/17) Feb 18 2006 No. I dont want to fill my mailbox, my news reader does threading and
- Derek Parnell (5/18) Feb 18 2006 No thank you. The news reader is the best method of for me.
- Kyle Furlong (2/17) Feb 18 2006 No Thunderbird makes NG's very traversable.
- Gordon James Miller (4/19) Feb 18 2006 If there was a mailing list (or as you said, a gateway) I would most
- Fredrik Olsson (3/5) Feb 18 2006 I prefer news groups. News groups works great for me, news was kind of
- Charles (8/17) Feb 18 2006 I've come to like the newsgroups , though I would join both :).
- John Demme (4/18) Feb 18 2006 I'm pretty happy with the NG, but better searching ability would be nice...
- nick (4/19) Feb 18 2006 I would prefer a forum like PHPBB.
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Yeah... great joke. - nick (3/7) Feb 18 2006 No no, I really do like the web forum things.
- Alexander Panek (6/12) Feb 18 2006 I don't get what's so funny about this. I also think a forum would be
- Walter Bright (4/6) Feb 18 2006 It's not great, but it's been working reliably for several years, which ...
- Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz (2/7) Feb 18 2006 Stop working on D and use well known C/C++. Why improve?
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Feb 18 2006
Damn! You beat me to it
- Alexander Panek (4/10) Feb 18 2006 One long-term goal achieved, several short-term goals missed. :P
- Walter Bright (3/5) Feb 18 2006 I have no idea. Jan Knepper manages it.
- Sean Kelly (5/17) Feb 18 2006 Try emailing Google to see if they'll add digitalmars.* to their list of...
- Walter Bright (6/9) Feb 18 2006 I have mixed feelings about Google adding digitalmars.*. One of the cons...
- Ant (2/15) Feb 19 2006 my ISP discontinued usenet service as of Dec 15, 2005
- Walter Bright (3/4) Feb 19 2006 All I can say is, whatever for?
- Ant (5/12) Feb 19 2006 protect children by removing one of the ways of distributing child porn.
- Sean Kelly (6/16) Feb 19 2006 Good point. Really, I mostly like Google Groups for its searching
- Walter Bright (5/10) Feb 20 2006 Search is why I set up the newsgroup archives system. Ironically, it rel...
- Jarrett Billingsley (6/7) Feb 18 2006 Something even harder to follow and read than a newsgroup? Count me out...
- bobef (2/13) Feb 18 2006 This is what I think too. The news group is fine.
- pragma (5/12) Feb 18 2006 *sigh* Time to drag out this old chestnut:
- Jarrett Billingsley (3/6) Feb 18 2006 Hahaha :)
- Lars Ivar Igesund (9/30) Feb 18 2006 Heh, funny, but a little bit more seriously:
- Sean Kelly (9/20) Feb 18 2006 I would. I'm on a number of mailing list for various reasons and find
- clayasaurus (2/17) Feb 18 2006
- Ameer Armaly (3/17) Feb 18 2006 Yes definitely.
- Hasan Aljudy (3/18) Feb 19 2006 no man .. the NG is just fine,
- Georg Wrede (11/26) Feb 20 2006 This could be implemented with a small Perl cron script on any machine
- Derek Parnell (9/16) Feb 20 2006 Yes, a decent newsreader is a good asset. I use two, 40Tude Dialog and
- Brad Roberts (16/54) Feb 20 2006 I'm well aware that it can be done by anyone. I was fishing for who was...
Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?
Feb 18 2006
braddr puremagic.com wrote:Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?No. NG is fine. I do wish the web version supported full-text search, though.
Feb 18 2006
On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:53:44 +0000 (UTC), <braddr puremagic.com> wrote:Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?No. I dont want to fill my mailbox, my news reader does threading and archiving and .. why would I want to use anything else :) That said, if you want a mailing list, there's no reason why we can't have one too. Regan
Feb 18 2006
On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:53:44 +1100, <braddr puremagic.com> wrote:Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?No thank you. The news reader is the best method of for me. -- Derek Parnell Melbourne, Australia
Feb 18 2006
braddr puremagic.com wrote:Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?No Thunderbird makes NG's very traversable.
Feb 18 2006
braddr puremagic.com wrote:Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?If there was a mailing list (or as you said, a gateway) I would most definitely use it, even if it was only one way. Having a digest ability would be fantastic.
Feb 18 2006
braddr puremagic.com skrev:A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?I prefer news groups. News groups works great for me, news was kind of invented for this purpose :).
Feb 18 2006
I've come to like the newsgroups , though I would join both :). Charlie <braddr puremagic.com> wrote in message news:dt6nao$1l2d$1 digitaldaemon.com...Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came upwasnewsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to beone vsthe other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway),would youstill use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or anewsreader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?
Feb 18 2006
braddr puremagic.com wrote:Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?I'm pretty happy with the NG, but better searching ability would be nice... I wonder if someone could again persue getting the groups on google groups? ~John Demme
Feb 18 2006
braddr puremagic.com wrote:Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?I would prefer a forum like PHPBB. I don't like how newsgroup thread-view indents things every time someone replies.
Feb 18 2006
nick wrote:I would prefer a forum like PHPBB.<g> Yeah... great joke.
Feb 18 2006
Dawid Ciężarkiewicz wrote:nick wrote:No no, I really do like the web forum things. What's wrong with those?I would prefer a forum like PHPBB.<g> Yeah... great joke.
Feb 18 2006
Dawid Ciężarkiewicz wrote:nick wrote:I don't get what's so funny about this. I also think a forum would be nice, but somehow I got used to this newsgroup alread, so I don't mind anymore. But in general, I'd prefer a forum OR a nice web interface for newsgroups (The one digitalmars uses isn't really the best, IMO). Regards, AlexI would prefer a forum like PHPBB.<g> Yeah... great joke.
Feb 18 2006
"Alexander Panek" <alexander.panek brainsware.org> wrote in message news:dt7ok3$2ivn$1 digitaldaemon.com...But in general, I'd prefer a forum OR a nice web interface for newsgroups (The one digitalmars uses isn't really the best, IMO).It's not great, but it's been working reliably for several years, which in itself is a great feature <g>.
Feb 18 2006
The Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:10:24 -0800, Walter Bright wrote:Stop working on D and use well known C/C++. Why improve?But in general, I'd prefer a forum OR a nice web interface for newsgroups (The one digitalmars uses isn't really the best, IMO).It's not great, but it's been working reliably for several years, which in itself is a great feature <g>.
Feb 18 2006
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:58:04 +1100, Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz <fake dont.use> wrote:The Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:10:24 -0800, Walter Bright wrote:Damn! You beat me to it <G> The DigitalMars Web interface to the newsgroup is a shining example of how not to design a GUI. Mind you, most of the HTML based list views are also poor UIs. -- Derek Parnell Melbourne, AustraliaStop working on D and use well known C/C++. Why improve?But in general, I'd prefer a forum OR a nice web interface for newsgroups (The one digitalmars uses isn't really the best, IMO).It's not great, but it's been working reliably for several years, which in itself is a great feature <g>.
Feb 18 2006
In article <dt80n6$2qiu$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter Bright says..."Alexander Panek" <alexander.panek brainsware.org> wrote in message news:dt7ok3$2ivn$1 digitaldaemon.com...One long-term goal achieved, several short-term goals missed. :P Another question (quite OT, sorry): How's it coded? CGI? (Perl?, C?)But in general, I'd prefer a forum OR a nice web interface for newsgroups (The one digitalmars uses isn't really the best, IMO).It's not great, but it's been working reliably for several years, which in itself is a great feature <g>.
Feb 18 2006
"Alexander Panek" <Alexander_member pathlink.com> wrote in message news:dt8f2i$6d8$1 digitaldaemon.com...Another question (quite OT, sorry): How's it coded? CGI? (Perl?, C?)I have no idea. Jan Knepper manages it.
Feb 18 2006
Alexander Panek wrote:Dawid Ciężarkiewicz wrote:Try emailing Google to see if they'll add digitalmars.* to their list of groups. I emailed them once in the past but a few more emails would probably help. Seannick wrote:I don't get what's so funny about this. I also think a forum would be nice, but somehow I got used to this newsgroup alread, so I don't mind anymore. But in general, I'd prefer a forum OR a nice web interface for newsgroups (The one digitalmars uses isn't really the best, IMO).I would prefer a forum like PHPBB.<g> Yeah... great joke.
Feb 18 2006
"Sean Kelly" <sean f4.ca> wrote in message news:dt869c$300m$2 digitaldaemon.com...Try emailing Google to see if they'll add digitalmars.* to their list of groups. I emailed them once in the past but a few more emails would probably help.I have mixed feelings about Google adding digitalmars.*. One of the cons is that it would then become the target of spammers. The newsgroups here have been remarkably free of spam and other abuses. I'd hate to see that change. I'd prefer a comp.lang.d be set up.
Feb 18 2006
Walter Bright wrote:"Sean Kelly" <sean f4.ca> wrote in message news:dt869c$300m$2 digitaldaemon.com...my ISP discontinued usenet service as of Dec 15, 2005Try emailing Google to see if they'll add digitalmars.* to their list of groups. I emailed them once in the past but a few more emails would probably help.I have mixed feelings about Google adding digitalmars.*. One of the cons is that it would then become the target of spammers. The newsgroups here have been remarkably free of spam and other abuses. I'd hate to see that change. I'd prefer a comp.lang.d be set up.
Feb 19 2006
"Ant" <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:dt9vkg$2ch4$1 digitaldaemon.com...my ISP discontinued usenet service as of Dec 15, 2005All I can say is, whatever for?
Feb 19 2006
Walter Bright wrote:"Ant" <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:dt9vkg$2ch4$1 digitaldaemon.com...protect children by removing one of the ways of distributing child porn. other ISPs cut the binary groups. (of course this is not the place to discuss the merit of that) Antmy ISP discontinued usenet service as of Dec 15, 2005All I can say is, whatever for?
Feb 19 2006
Walter Bright wrote:"Sean Kelly" <sean f4.ca> wrote in message news:dt869c$300m$2 digitaldaemon.com...Good point. Really, I mostly like Google Groups for its searching capability. Otherwise, I'm very happy with Thunderbird as my DigitalMars usenet client.Try emailing Google to see if they'll add digitalmars.* to their list of groups. I emailed them once in the past but a few more emails would probably help.I have mixed feelings about Google adding digitalmars.*. One of the cons is that it would then become the target of spammers. The newsgroups here have been remarkably free of spam and other abuses. I'd hate to see that change.I'd prefer a comp.lang.d be set up.Aye, that might be nice. Sean
Feb 19 2006
"Sean Kelly" <sean f4.ca> wrote in message news:dtada5$2ph0$1 digitaldaemon.com...Good point. Really, I mostly like Google Groups for its searching capability. Otherwise, I'm very happy with Thunderbird as my DigitalMars usenet client.Search is why I set up the newsgroup archives system. Ironically, it relies on google to do the actual search work <g>.Yup.I'd prefer a comp.lang.d be set up.Aye, that might be nice.
Feb 20 2006
<braddr puremagic.com> wrote in message news:dt6nao$1l2d$1 digitaldaemon.com...The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed.Something even harder to follow and read than a newsgroup? Count me out. Hey, I have an idea. Let's just do away with the internet and use physical mail to communicate. Or telegraphs. Ooh, maybe smoke signals! Modern technology is so overrated. :P
Feb 18 2006
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:<braddr puremagic.com> wrote in message news:dt6nao$1l2d$1 digitaldaemon.com...This is what I think too. The news group is fine.The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed.Something even harder to follow and read than a newsgroup? Count me out. Hey, I have an idea. Let's just do away with the internet and use physical mail to communicate. Or telegraphs. Ooh, maybe smoke signals! Modern technology is so overrated. :P
Feb 18 2006
In article <dt7qh3$2kk1$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Jarrett Billingsley says...<braddr puremagic.com> wrote in message news:dt6nao$1l2d$1 digitaldaemon.com...*sigh* Time to drag out this old chestnut: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt Enjoy! - Eric Anderton at yahooThe question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed.Something even harder to follow and read than a newsgroup? Count me out. Hey, I have an idea. Let's just do away with the internet and use physical mail to communicate. Or telegraphs. Ooh, maybe smoke signals! Modern technology is so overrated. :P
Feb 18 2006
"pragma" <pragma_member pathlink.com> wrote in message news:dt7r30$2l2i$1 digitaldaemon.com...*sigh* Time to drag out this old chestnut: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt Enjoy!Hahaha :)
Feb 18 2006
pragma wrote:In article <dt7qh3$2kk1$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Jarrett Billingsley says...Heh, funny, but a little bit more seriously: I sat next to an old radio engineer at lunch at work, and he said that while short wave radios (radio amateur stuff) was more widely used, they had started testing a packet network using these radio masts along the Norwegian coast. They had some problems though, and was somewhat slow at a few bauds. What he thought was good about it though, compared to todays Wi-Fi and Wimax, was that it was directed and didn't litter all the space with radiowaves. He felt that that was a better engineering achievement.<braddr puremagic.com> wrote in message news:dt6nao$1l2d$1 digitaldaemon.com...*sigh* Time to drag out this old chestnut: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt Enjoy! - Eric Anderton at yahooThe question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed.Something even harder to follow and read than a newsgroup? Count me out. Hey, I have an idea. Let's just do away with the internet and use physical mail to communicate. Or telegraphs. Ooh, maybe smoke signals! Modern technology is so overrated. :P
Feb 18 2006
braddr puremagic.com wrote:Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed.I would. I'm on a number of mailing list for various reasons and find them useful for more channeled discussions.Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it?It depends on what information the list provided and if it was available any other way.For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?d.D gets a tremendous amount of traffic--I'm not sure I really want to get 100 additional emails a day. But for something a bit more specialized I'm all for it. Sean
Feb 18 2006
Newsgroup is good enough for me. braddr puremagic.com wrote:Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?
Feb 18 2006
<braddr puremagic.com> wrote in message news:dt6nao$1l2d$1 digitaldaemon.com...Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?Yes definitely.
Feb 18 2006
braddr puremagic.com wrote:Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?no man .. the NG is just fine, althu ideally I would prefer a more modern web-based forum package.
Feb 19 2006
braddr puremagic.com wrote:Walter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?This could be implemented with a small Perl cron script on any machine outside digitalmars.com. Anybody with telnet access to an account could do this for the community in no time. As to whether it really is worth the effort, at least I wouldn't subscribe. Mozilla as a newsreader is good enough. Besides, I frequently switch between threaded, order-received, sorted-by-author, and various filtered views. Piece of cake. And I mark posts read or unread, and with various colors so I can reread them later if they are too long, or need background research before commenting on.
Feb 20 2006
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:46:19 +0200, Georg Wrede wrote:Mozilla as a newsreader is good enough. Besides, I frequently switch between threaded, order-received, sorted-by-author, and various filtered views. Piece of cake. And I mark posts read or unread, and with various colors so I can reread them later if they are too long, or need background research before commenting on.Yes, a decent newsreader is a good asset. I use two, 40Tude Dialog and Opera. I prefer Dialog but Opera has a reasonable basic one. -- Derek (skype: derek.j.parnell) Melbourne, Australia "Down with mediocracy!" 21/02/2006 11:49:19 AM
Feb 20 2006
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Georg Wrede wrote:Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:46:19 +0200 From: Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> Reply-To: "gatewayed mailing list for nntp://news.digitalmars.com/digitalmars.D" <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> To: digitalmars-d puremagic.com Newsgroups: digitalmars.D Subject: Re: mailing list vs news group braddr puremagic.com wrote:I'm well aware that it can be done by anyone. I was fishing for who was interested in having such a service. Since it's more than just me, though not a lot of hands were raised, I've gone ahead and setup several of the newsgroups as mailing lists. http://lists.puremagic.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ At the moment, they're news -> mail only. At the toggle of a radio button I can make them two way, but I figured one step at a time. These have been active since saturday, so there's a bit of mail in the archives already. Each of the lists can be received as digests for those that want it. Walter, feel free to put a link on your site if you want. Anyone, if you want any of the other groups hosted at news.digitalmars.com, just let me know. Later, BradWalter and I were talking earlier today and one of the topics that came up was newsgroup vs mailing list. The good news is that it doesn't have to be one vs the other, but rather a gateway between the two. The question: Who would use the mailing list if it existed. Follow-up question: if the list was read-only (ie, a one way gateway), would you still use it? For myself, I'd prefer to receive mail rather than read via the web or a news reader, but I know I'm an odd duck at times. A show of hands.. want to be able to get each of the newsgroups via mail?This could be implemented with a small Perl cron script on any machine outside digitalmars.com. Anybody with telnet access to an account could do this for the community in no time. As to whether it really is worth the effort, at least I wouldn't subscribe. Mozilla as a newsreader is good enough. Besides, I frequently switch between threaded, order-received, sorted-by-author, and various filtered views. Piece of cake. And I mark posts read or unread, and with various colors so I can reread them later if they are too long, or need background research before commenting on.
Feb 20 2006