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reply David Friedman <d3rdclsmail_a_ _t_earthlink_d_._t_net> writes:
Matthew,

Can I bother you about something right before Christmas? :) I'm getting 
ready to put GDC on sourceforge. Due to SF's requirements for licenses, 
I do not believe I can include the Phobos modules that have the Synesis 
license.  I know the new version of recls has a BSD license and I plan 
to use that.  Would you be willing to relicense the std.loader and 
std.windows.registry modules as well?

Thanks,

David
Dec 23 2005
next sibling parent reply "Matthew" <matthew hat.stlsoft.dot.org> writes:
Absolutely. (And congratulations on working out a way to capture my
attention on my daily 1 minute browse of 17000+ unread messages in this NG.
<g>)

    "I hereby declare that I give my permission to update the following
Phobos contributions from their existing licenses to the BSD-style license
evident in std.openrj:

        std.loader
        std.mmfile
        std.perf
        std.process
        std.windows.registry

    -- 
    Matthew Wilson

    Director, Synesis Software
    Synesis Software Pty Ltd
    P.O.Box 125
    Waverley
    New South Wales, 2024
    Australia
    "

However, as you have alluded, this still leaves the issue of the STLSoft
headers supporting recls and std.recls itself. I've just looked, and those
files are now more than two years out of date! I cannot agree to them being
updated as is with just a license change, and I'm glad you're going to use
the new version. I think there's no sensible objection to Phobos being
updated with the latest recls version - which offers D-style syntax and a
*lot* more features! - and I'd be happy to work with Walter in getting it
ready. But, if he still refuses to do that, I'll happily work with you on
getting the GDC version up to scratch. (FYI: I still plan recls2, which
Walter's hanging out for, but it's still nothing more than concepts on
paper, and is not likely to be more than that until XSTL vol 2 is done,
which'll be around May.)

As far as I can recollect, the version of std.recls I have here is just
about ready to go, and needs only one new small upgrade, the incorporation
of the new function Recls_SearchFeedback(), which uses a cancellable
callback function to provide feedback of the directories as they're
searched. This needs to be mapped to a delegate, and I have no idea how to
do that at the mo. (I've already made this work for .NET, and I'm a bright
boy, so I just need a simple example to get me over the line on this one.)
If you would be willing to work with me on this, we can have std.recls
whipped into excellent shape in no time.

But, in the spirit of the season, that's all on one condition: That you help
me get up and running with GDC on my Mac or, failing that, on my Linux box.
;-) Hey, you never know, if I'm up and running on D on my Mac, I might be in
a position to ramp up the contributions once again. <g>

Cheers (and Merry Christmas)

Matthew


"David Friedman" <d3rdclsmail_a_ _t_earthlink_d_._t_net> wrote in message
news:doh372$1lpd$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Matthew,

 Can I bother you about something right before Christmas? :) I'm getting
 ready to put GDC on sourceforge. Due to SF's requirements for licenses,
 I do not believe I can include the Phobos modules that have the Synesis
 license.  I know the new version of recls has a BSD license and I plan
 to use that.  Would you be willing to relicense the std.loader and
 std.windows.registry modules as well?

 Thanks,

 David
Dec 23 2005
next sibling parent clayasaurus <clayasaurus gmail.com> writes:
FYI http://gdcmac.sourceforge.net/ may help.

Matthew wrote:

 But, in the spirit of the season, that's all on one condition: That you help
 me get up and running with GDC on my Mac or, failing that, on my Linux box.
 ;-) Hey, you never know, if I'm up and running on D on my Mac, I might be in
 a position to ramp up the contributions once again. <g>
 
 Cheers (and Merry Christmas)
 
 Matthew
Dec 23 2005
prev sibling parent reply David Friedman <d3rdclsmail_a_ _t_earthlink_d_._t_net> writes:
Much thanks!

Is the recls function that needs to work with delegates 
"Recls_SearchProcess"?  I didn't see anything with "feedback".

As clay already mentioned, the gdcmac binary distribution 
(http://gdcmac.sourceforge.net) is the best way to get GDC working on a 
Mac.  If you have any questions about that or GDC on Linux, let me know.

Merry Christmas,

David


Matthew wrote:

 Absolutely. (And congratulations on working out a way to capture my
 attention on my daily 1 minute browse of 17000+ unread messages in this NG.
 <g>)
 
     "I hereby declare that I give my permission to update the following
 Phobos contributions from their existing licenses to the BSD-style license
 evident in std.openrj:
 
         std.loader
         std.mmfile
         std.perf
         std.process
         std.windows.registry
 
     -- 
     Matthew Wilson
 
     Director, Synesis Software
     Synesis Software Pty Ltd
     P.O.Box 125
     Waverley
     New South Wales, 2024
     Australia
     "
 
 However, as you have alluded, this still leaves the issue of the STLSoft
 headers supporting recls and std.recls itself. I've just looked, and those
 files are now more than two years out of date! I cannot agree to them being
 updated as is with just a license change, and I'm glad you're going to use
 the new version. I think there's no sensible objection to Phobos being
 updated with the latest recls version - which offers D-style syntax and a
 *lot* more features! - and I'd be happy to work with Walter in getting it
 ready. But, if he still refuses to do that, I'll happily work with you on
 getting the GDC version up to scratch. (FYI: I still plan recls2, which
 Walter's hanging out for, but it's still nothing more than concepts on
 paper, and is not likely to be more than that until XSTL vol 2 is done,
 which'll be around May.)
 
 As far as I can recollect, the version of std.recls I have here is just
 about ready to go, and needs only one new small upgrade, the incorporation
 of the new function Recls_SearchFeedback(), which uses a cancellable
 callback function to provide feedback of the directories as they're
 searched. This needs to be mapped to a delegate, and I have no idea how to
 do that at the mo. (I've already made this work for .NET, and I'm a bright
 boy, so I just need a simple example to get me over the line on this one.)
 If you would be willing to work with me on this, we can have std.recls
 whipped into excellent shape in no time.
 
 But, in the spirit of the season, that's all on one condition: That you help
 me get up and running with GDC on my Mac or, failing that, on my Linux box.
 ;-) Hey, you never know, if I'm up and running on D on my Mac, I might be in
 a position to ramp up the contributions once again. <g>
 
 Cheers (and Merry Christmas)
 
 Matthew
 
 
 "David Friedman" <d3rdclsmail_a_ _t_earthlink_d_._t_net> wrote in message
 news:doh372$1lpd$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 

Matthew,

Can I bother you about something right before Christmas? :) I'm getting
ready to put GDC on sourceforge. Due to SF's requirements for licenses,
I do not believe I can include the Phobos modules that have the Synesis
license.  I know the new version of recls has a BSD license and I plan
to use that.  Would you be willing to relicense the std.loader and
std.windows.registry modules as well?

Thanks,

David
Dec 23 2005
parent reply "Matthew" <matthew hat.stlsoft.dot.org> writes:
 Much thanks!


No worries. I've been bothered for a long time by the licenses, the
relatively crappy nature of a couple of my contributions, and the *very*
out-of-date nature of std.recls, but have been hit by the brick wall so many
times that I gave up trying, and was resigned to dealing when them when I
"come back" next year.


 Is the recls function that needs to work with delegates
 "Recls_SearchProcess"?  I didn't see anything with "feedback".


No, it's in 1.7, which has been pretty much ready for months but not been
released because it's been waiting for STLSoft 1.9, which is now available
as beta 1. ;-)

I am, right now, working on getting 1.7 tested and ready for release, and
updating the std/etc/c/recls & std/etc/c/stlsoft folders and the makefile.
I've already tested that the current changes - except with feedback - work
with std.recls, so I think the way to go is to place a recls 1.7 beta 1 on
the recls website that you can download, and then maybe we can work together
to get the feedback stuff in. Sound ok?


 As clay already mentioned, the gdcmac binary distribution
 (http://gdcmac.sourceforge.net) is the best way to get GDC working on a
 Mac.  If you have any questions about that or GDC on Linux, let me know.


I downloaded and installed, but then when I tried to compile it complained
that it could not see object.d, so either the installer screwed up or I'm
supposed to install the D libs separately. But I've not had change yet to
test either hypothesis.




 Merry Christmas,

 David


 Matthew wrote:

 Absolutely. (And congratulations on working out a way to capture my
 attention on my daily 1 minute browse of 17000+ unread messages in this




NG.

 <g>)

     "I hereby declare that I give my permission to update the following
 Phobos contributions from their existing licenses to the BSD-style




license

 evident in std.openrj:

         std.loader
         std.mmfile
         std.perf
         std.process
         std.windows.registry

     -- 
     Matthew Wilson

     Director, Synesis Software
     Synesis Software Pty Ltd
     P.O.Box 125
     Waverley
     New South Wales, 2024
     Australia
     "

 However, as you have alluded, this still leaves the issue of the STLSoft
 headers supporting recls and std.recls itself. I've just looked, and




those

 files are now more than two years out of date! I cannot agree to them




being

 updated as is with just a license change, and I'm glad you're going to




use

 the new version. I think there's no sensible objection to Phobos being
 updated with the latest recls version - which offers D-style syntax and




a

 *lot* more features! - and I'd be happy to work with Walter in getting




it

 ready. But, if he still refuses to do that, I'll happily work with you




on

 getting the GDC version up to scratch. (FYI: I still plan recls2, which
 Walter's hanging out for, but it's still nothing more than concepts on
 paper, and is not likely to be more than that until XSTL vol 2 is done,
 which'll be around May.)

 As far as I can recollect, the version of std.recls I have here is just
 about ready to go, and needs only one new small upgrade, the




incorporation

 of the new function Recls_SearchFeedback(), which uses a cancellable
 callback function to provide feedback of the directories as they're
 searched. This needs to be mapped to a delegate, and I have no idea how




to

 do that at the mo. (I've already made this work for .NET, and I'm a




bright

 boy, so I just need a simple example to get me over the line on this




one.)

 If you would be willing to work with me on this, we can have std.recls
 whipped into excellent shape in no time.

 But, in the spirit of the season, that's all on one condition: That you




help

 me get up and running with GDC on my Mac or, failing that, on my Linux




box.

 ;-) Hey, you never know, if I'm up and running on D on my Mac, I might




be in

 a position to ramp up the contributions once again. <g>

 Cheers (and Merry Christmas)

 Matthew


 "David Friedman" <d3rdclsmail_a_ _t_earthlink_d_._t_net> wrote in




message

 news:doh372$1lpd$1 digitaldaemon.com...


Matthew,

Can I bother you about something right before Christmas? :) I'm getting
ready to put GDC on sourceforge. Due to SF's requirements for licenses,
I do not believe I can include the Phobos modules that have the Synesis
license.  I know the new version of recls has a BSD license and I plan
to use that.  Would you be willing to relicense the std.loader and
std.windows.registry modules as well?

Thanks,

David
Dec 23 2005
parent reply David Friedman <d3rdclsmail_a_ _t_earthlink_d_._t_net> writes:
Matthew wrote:

Much thanks!


 
 
 No worries. I've been bothered for a long time by the licenses, the
 relatively crappy nature of a couple of my contributions, and the *very*
 out-of-date nature of std.recls, but have been hit by the brick wall so many
 times that I gave up trying, and was resigned to dealing when them when I
 "come back" next year.
 
 

Is the recls function that needs to work with delegates
"Recls_SearchProcess"?  I didn't see anything with "feedback".


 
 
 No, it's in 1.7, which has been pretty much ready for months but not been
 released because it's been waiting for STLSoft 1.9, which is now available
 as beta 1. ;-)
 
 I am, right now, working on getting 1.7 tested and ready for release, and
 updating the std/etc/c/recls & std/etc/c/stlsoft folders and the makefile.
 I've already tested that the current changes - except with feedback - work
 with std.recls, so I think the way to go is to place a recls 1.7 beta 1 on
 the recls website that you can download, and then maybe we can work together
 to get the feedback stuff in. Sound ok?


Yep.  That's good.


 
 

As clay already mentioned, the gdcmac binary distribution
(http://gdcmac.sourceforge.net) is the best way to get GDC working on a
Mac.  If you have any questions about that or GDC on Linux, let me know.


 
 
 I downloaded and installed, but then when I tried to compile it complained
 that it could not see object.d, so either the installer screwed up or I'm
 supposed to install the D libs separately. But I've not had change yet to
 test either hypothesis.
 
 


Did you install into something other than /usr?  I see that the 
installer has an option to change the directory, but that won't actually 
work.  The next release will be relocatable.

David



 
 

Merry Christmas,

David


Matthew wrote:


Absolutely. (And congratulations on working out a way to capture my
attention on my daily 1 minute browse of 17000+ unread messages in this




 
 NG.
 

<g>)

    "I hereby declare that I give my permission to update the following
Phobos contributions from their existing licenses to the BSD-style




 
 license
 

evident in std.openrj:

        std.loader
        std.mmfile
        std.perf
        std.process
        std.windows.registry

    -- 
    Matthew Wilson

    Director, Synesis Software
    Synesis Software Pty Ltd
    P.O.Box 125
    Waverley
    New South Wales, 2024
    Australia
    "

However, as you have alluded, this still leaves the issue of the STLSoft
headers supporting recls and std.recls itself. I've just looked, and




 
 those
 

files are now more than two years out of date! I cannot agree to them




 
 being
 

updated as is with just a license change, and I'm glad you're going to




 
 use
 

the new version. I think there's no sensible objection to Phobos being
updated with the latest recls version - which offers D-style syntax and




 
 a
 

*lot* more features! - and I'd be happy to work with Walter in getting




 
 it
 

ready. But, if he still refuses to do that, I'll happily work with you




 
 on
 

getting the GDC version up to scratch. (FYI: I still plan recls2, which
Walter's hanging out for, but it's still nothing more than concepts on
paper, and is not likely to be more than that until XSTL vol 2 is done,
which'll be around May.)

As far as I can recollect, the version of std.recls I have here is just
about ready to go, and needs only one new small upgrade, the




 
 incorporation
 

of the new function Recls_SearchFeedback(), which uses a cancellable
callback function to provide feedback of the directories as they're
searched. This needs to be mapped to a delegate, and I have no idea how




 
 to
 

do that at the mo. (I've already made this work for .NET, and I'm a




 
 bright
 

boy, so I just need a simple example to get me over the line on this




 
 one.)
 

If you would be willing to work with me on this, we can have std.recls
whipped into excellent shape in no time.

But, in the spirit of the season, that's all on one condition: That you




 
 help
 

me get up and running with GDC on my Mac or, failing that, on my Linux




 
 box.
 

;-) Hey, you never know, if I'm up and running on D on my Mac, I might




 
 be in
 

a position to ramp up the contributions once again. <g>

Cheers (and Merry Christmas)

Matthew


"David Friedman" <d3rdclsmail_a_ _t_earthlink_d_._t_net> wrote in




 
 message
 

news:doh372$1lpd$1 digitaldaemon.com...



Matthew,

Can I bother you about something right before Christmas? :) I'm getting
ready to put GDC on sourceforge. Due to SF's requirements for licenses,
I do not believe I can include the Phobos modules that have the Synesis
license.  I know the new version of recls has a BSD license and I plan
to use that.  Would you be willing to relicense the std.loader and
std.windows.registry modules as well?

Thanks,

David
Dec 23 2005
parent reply "Matthew" <matthew hat.stlsoft.dot.org> writes:
 No worries. I've been bothered for a long time by the licenses, the
 relatively crappy nature of a couple of my contributions, and the *very*
 out-of-date nature of std.recls, but have been hit by the brick wall so




many

 times that I gave up trying, and was resigned to dealing when them when




I

 "come back" next year.



Is the recls function that needs to work with delegates
"Recls_SearchProcess"?  I didn't see anything with "feedback".



 No, it's in 1.7, which has been pretty much ready for months but not




been

 released because it's been waiting for STLSoft 1.9, which is now




available

 as beta 1. ;-)

 I am, right now, working on getting 1.7 tested and ready for release,




and

 updating the std/etc/c/recls & std/etc/c/stlsoft folders and the




makefile.

 I've already tested that the current changes - except with feedback -




work

 with std.recls, so I think the way to go is to place a recls 1.7 beta 1




on

 the recls website that you can download, and then maybe we can work




together

 to get the feedback stuff in. Sound ok?


 Yep.  That's good.


Ok. I've built and tested the current recls with the current STLSoft. I've
also created a little Ruby script that'll retry the makefile and grab and
place correctly any missing STLSoft file, so we only get what's needed for a
Win32 build. (I'll have to do the same for a UNIX version.)

But since Christmas is about to happen, it'll be sometime next week when I
can post a new STLSoft 1.9 beta and a recls 1.7 beta.


As clay already mentioned, the gdcmac binary distribution
(http://gdcmac.sourceforge.net) is the best way to get GDC working on a
Mac.  If you have any questions about that or GDC on Linux, let me know.



 I downloaded and installed, but then when I tried to compile it




complained

 that it could not see object.d, so either the installer screwed up or




I'm

 supposed to install the D libs separately. But I've not had change yet




to

 test either hypothesis.


 Did you install into something other than /usr?  I see that the
 installer has an option to change the directory, but that won't actually
 work.  The next release will be relocatable.


I just clicked on all the defaults, and let it do its work, and then tried
to compile a simple D file with a single print() statement.

There is an object.d, in /usr/include/d/4.0.1/, but for whatever reason
that's not being found.

??
Dec 23 2005
parent reply =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:
Matthew wrote:


As clay already mentioned, the gdcmac binary distribution
(http://gdcmac.sourceforge.net) is the best way to get GDC working on a
Mac.  If you have any questions about that or GDC on Linux, let me know.


 I downloaded and installed, but then when I tried to compile it
 complained that it could not see object.d, so either the installer
 screwed up or I'm supposed to install the D libs separately. But I've not had
 change yet to test either hypothesis.


Did you install into something other than /usr?  I see that the
installer has an option to change the directory, but that won't actually
work.  The next release will be relocatable.




Right, that option could have been a bit "premature" to add in... :-)

It was mostly for the security-concerned, but the installer does
nothing except install the files (visible in the "File List" too)

And you shouldn't need to install anything but the GDC install,
assuming that you already have Apple's Mac OS X and Xcode Tools.


 I just clicked on all the defaults, and let it do its work, and then tried
 to compile a simple D file with a single print() statement.
 
 There is an object.d, in /usr/include/d/4.0.1/, but for whatever reason
 that's not being found.
 
 ??


You did have Mac OS X 10.4.3 and Xcode 2.2 installed, right ? Just 
asking, since Xcode 2.0 and 2.1 used GCC 4.0.0 instead of 4.0.1...

One can always compile GDC/GCC from scratch, if the binary doesn't work.
http://home.earthlink.net/~dvdfrdmn/d/INSTALL.html

--anders
Dec 24 2005
parent reply "Matthew" <matthew hat.stlsoft.dot.org> writes:
 And you shouldn't need to install anything but the GDC install,
 assuming that you already have Apple's Mac OS X and Xcode Tools.


 I just clicked on all the defaults, and let it do its work, and then




tried

 to compile a simple D file with a single print() statement.

 There is an object.d, in /usr/include/d/4.0.1/, but for whatever reason
 that's not being found.

 ??


 You did have Mac OS X 10.4.3 and Xcode 2.2 installed, right ? Just
 asking, since Xcode 2.0 and 2.1 used GCC 4.0.0 instead of 4.0.1...


I confess I have no idea with OS I have, though I recall the vendor saying
it was Tiger, so I just picked the most recent DGC from the site.

I think I'll just try all three. (Although I also don't know how to
uninstall on Mac <g>)


 One can always compile GDC/GCC from scratch, if the binary doesn't work.
 http://home.earthlink.net/~dvdfrdmn/d/INSTALL.html


It may come to that but if it does it's something that'll have to wait until
Feb. ;-(
Dec 25 2005
parent =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:
Matthew wrote:


You did have Mac OS X 10.4.3 and Xcode 2.2 installed, right ? Just
asking, since Xcode 2.0 and 2.1 used GCC 4.0.0 instead of 4.0.1...


 
 I confess I have no idea with OS I have, though I recall the vendor saying
 it was Tiger, so I just picked the most recent DGC from the site.


It sounds like you have Tiger, but didn't meet the Xcode 2.2 requirement
(it is necessary to upgrade the Xcode Tools, from the "bundled" version)

You can download a DMG from: http://developer.apple.com/tools/download/


 I think I'll just try all three. (Although I also don't know how to
 uninstall on Mac <g>)


The Mac OS X "Installer.app" does not come with an Uninstall feature...

But the list of the installed files can be viewed with:
lsbom -s /Library/Receipts/GDC.pkg/Contents/Archive.bom

--anders
Dec 27 2005
prev sibling parent reply "Matthew" <matthew hat.stlsoft.dot.org> writes:
David

I'm near to a release of recls 1.7 beta1 (& STLSoft 1.9 beta 2, on which it
depends).

Shall we continue this over on the D.gnu group, or here, or shall I email
you?

Cheers

Matthew


"David Friedman" <d3rdclsmail_a_ _t_earthlink_d_._t_net> wrote in message
news:doh372$1lpd$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Matthew,

 Can I bother you about something right before Christmas? :) I'm getting
 ready to put GDC on sourceforge. Due to SF's requirements for licenses,
 I do not believe I can include the Phobos modules that have the Synesis
 license.  I know the new version of recls has a BSD license and I plan
 to use that.  Would you be willing to relicense the std.loader and
 std.windows.registry modules as well?

 Thanks,

 David
Dec 26 2005
parent David Friedman <dvdfrdmn users.ess-eff.net> writes:
Matthew,

Please e-mail me (dvdfrdmn at users dot sf dot net)

David


Matthew wrote:

 David
 
 I'm near to a release of recls 1.7 beta1 (& STLSoft 1.9 beta 2, on which it
 depends).
 
 Shall we continue this over on the D.gnu group, or here, or shall I email
 you?
 
 Cheers
 
 Matthew
 
 
 "David Friedman" <d3rdclsmail_a_ _t_earthlink_d_._t_net> wrote in message
 news:doh372$1lpd$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 

Matthew,

Can I bother you about something right before Christmas? :) I'm getting
ready to put GDC on sourceforge. Due to SF's requirements for licenses,
I do not believe I can include the Phobos modules that have the Synesis
license.  I know the new version of recls has a BSD license and I plan
to use that.  Would you be willing to relicense the std.loader and
std.windows.registry modules as well?

Thanks,

David
Dec 26 2005