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reply Rain Dog <Rain_member pathlink.com> writes:
I'm looking for a page or website that perhaps has a listing of things to make D
development easier.

I've heard of an app called DIDE, that I cannot find a link to on google.
I've heard of a D Eclipse plugin that i cannot find on the eclipse site or
google.
I've heard of gool and DUI, but only found the SVN hosted code.

I thought I found a link on how to convert from c++ to D the easy way, but can't
find it anymore.

I'm looking for perhaps a page that includes D libraries, links to IDE's, links
to D Based projects, etc.

I'd like to look into converting an existing project from C++ to D, D seems to
have the answers to a lot of problems I've had during development but I don't
quite have the time to be doing command line everything and text editing in
notepad.

Any help is appreciated.
Sep 12 2005
next sibling parent reply Kyle Furlong <kylefurlong gmail.com> writes:
Rain Dog wrote:

 I'm looking for a page or website that perhaps has a listing of things to make
D
 development easier.
 
 I've heard of an app called DIDE, that I cannot find a link to on google.
 I've heard of a D Eclipse plugin that i cannot find on the eclipse site or
 google.
 I've heard of gool and DUI, but only found the SVN hosted code.
 
 I thought I found a link on how to convert from c++ to D the easy way, but
can't
 find it anymore.
 
 I'm looking for perhaps a page that includes D libraries, links to IDE's, links
 to D Based projects, etc.
 
 I'd like to look into converting an existing project from C++ to D, D seems to
 have the answers to a lot of problems I've had during development but I don't
 quite have the time to be doing command line everything and text editing in
 notepad.
 
 Any help is appreciated.
 
 


Take a look at www.dsource.org, also 
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?FrontPage.
Sep 13 2005
next sibling parent reply Derek Parnell <derek psych.ward> writes:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:39:14 -0700, Kyle Furlong wrote:

Hey Kyle, you might want to check your computer's clock setting.

-- 
Derek
(skype: derek.j.parnell)
Melbourne, Australia
13/09/2005 9:33:53 AM
Sep 12 2005
parent Kyle Furlong <kylefurlong gmail.com> writes:
Derek Parnell wrote:

 On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:39:14 -0700, Kyle Furlong wrote:
 
 Hey Kyle, you might want to check your computer's clock setting.
 


Thanks.
Sep 12 2005
prev sibling parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron71 yahoo.com> writes:
Kyle Furlong wrote:


 I don't
 quite have the time to be doing command line everything and text 
 editing in
 notepad.




I've found that using Crimson Editor (http://www.crimsoneditor.com/) 
with the Build utility (http://www.dsource.org/projects/build/) is a 
great combo. You could configure CE to call out to Build, but I just 
keep a command prompt open. With different Build Response Files 
containing the command line parameters for different configurations 
(debug, optimized, profile, etc...), compiling and running from the 
command line can be as simple as:

build  dbg

No need to update the brf files when you add new modules as build finds 
and compiles all imported modules automatically. It's a fantastic tool. 
I've used MSVC, Eclipse, Java, CodeWarrior, and several flavors of 
Borland for C/Java development over the years. So far with D, I don't 
miss any of them when using CE and Build. I've even started using CE + 
SCons for C development. And if I could get the auto-refactoring of 
Eclipse in to CE for Java development, I'd use it there too. Of course, 
then I'd be missing the simplicity of Build.
Sep 12 2005
next sibling parent Kyle Furlong <kylefurlong gmail.com> writes:
Mike Parker wrote:

 Kyle Furlong wrote:
 

 I don't
 quite have the time to be doing command line everything and text 
 editing in
 notepad.




 
 
 I've found that using Crimson Editor (http://www.crimsoneditor.com/) 
 with the Build utility (http://www.dsource.org/projects/build/) is a 
 great combo. You could configure CE to call out to Build, but I just 
 keep a command prompt open. With different Build Response Files 
 containing the command line parameters for different configurations 
 (debug, optimized, profile, etc...), compiling and running from the 
 command line can be as simple as:
 
 build  dbg
 
 No need to update the brf files when you add new modules as build finds 
 and compiles all imported modules automatically. It's a fantastic tool. 
 I've used MSVC, Eclipse, Java, CodeWarrior, and several flavors of 
 Borland for C/Java development over the years. So far with D, I don't 
 miss any of them when using CE and Build. I've even started using CE + 
 SCons for C development. And if I could get the auto-refactoring of 
 Eclipse in to CE for Java development, I'd use it there too. Of course, 
 then I'd be missing the simplicity of Build.


I use the same setup, although I use the custom tool feature of CE.
Sep 12 2005
prev sibling parent reply Bruno Medeiros <daiphoenixNO SPAMlycos.com> writes:
Mike Parker wrote:

 Kyle Furlong wrote:
 
 No need to update the brf files when you add new modules as build finds 
 and compiles all imported modules automatically. It's a fantastic tool. 
 I've used MSVC, Eclipse, Java, CodeWarrior, and several flavors of 
 Borland for C/Java development over the years. So far with D, I don't 
 miss any of them when using CE and Build. I've even started using CE + 
 SCons for C development. And if I could get the auto-refactoring of 
 Eclipse in to CE for Java development, I'd use it there too. Of course, 
 then I'd be missing the simplicity of Build.


What exactly do you mean you don't miss any of them when using CE and 
Build/SCons? I was thinking you didn't miss the other IDE's and their 
features (! .. which is quite astounding), but then you say you don't 
use CE because of code refactoring elsewhere (of Eclipse JDT I presume)? 
And then what does code refactoring have to with "missing the simplicity 
of Build"?


-- 
Bruno Medeiros
Computer Science/Engineering student
Sep 13 2005
parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron71 yahoo.com> writes:
Bruno Medeiros wrote:


 What exactly do you mean you don't miss any of them when using CE and 
 Build/SCons? I was thinking you didn't miss the other IDE's and their 
 features (! .. which is quite astounding), but then you say you don't 


I really don't. There's nothing in any IDE (with the exception of 
Eclipse and Java) that I have found I can't live without. This includes 
integrated debugging (I still don't get why so many people get a burr in 
their feet over D's debugging support).


 use CE because of code refactoring elsewhere (of Eclipse JDT I presume)? 
 And then what does code refactoring have to with "missing the simplicity 
 of Build"?


One has nothing to do with the other. What I meant was that if CE 
supported code refactoring for Java (ala Eclipse) I would use it with 
Java programming (doing without automated refactoring in Java is a huge 
thing when you have become used to it, not to mention autocompilation on 
file save - a big plus for Eclipse over Netbeans). But even if CE did 
have such a feature I wouldn't be able to use Build to compile my Java 
programs. Compiling Java from the command line can be a right pain 
sometimes, and Ant scripts are nowhere near as simple as Build Response 
Files (though arguably more full featured).
Sep 13 2005
next sibling parent reply Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> writes:
In article <dg6ek7$14ud$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Mike Parker says...

Bruno Medeiros wrote:


 What exactly do you mean you don't miss any of them when using CE and 
 Build/SCons? I was thinking you didn't miss the other IDE's and their 
 features (! .. which is quite astounding), but then you say you don't 


I really don't. There's nothing in any IDE (with the exception of 
Eclipse and Java) that I have found I can't live without. This includes 
integrated debugging (I still don't get why so many people get a burr in 
their feet over D's debugging support).


Being able to step through code and inspect variables allows me to be more
productive because I don't need to recompile often extremely large projects with
printf statements to see what a particular piece of code is doing.  This is
particularly useful with dynamic binding as the code path often can't be sussed
out simply by eyeballing the code itself.  I'll admit to never having needed
most of the fancier features (dynamic recompile, back-up and re-execute) but the
basics are nice to have.  I agree that it's nothing I can't live without, but
it's a useful time-saver.  Particularly in collaborative environments where I
spend a lot of time debugging other people's problems.


Sean
Sep 13 2005
parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron71 yahoo.com> writes:
Sean Kelly wrote:


 Being able to step through code and inspect variables allows me to be more
 productive because I don't need to recompile often extremely large projects
with
 printf statements to see what a particular piece of code is doing.  This is


I understand all of this. But don't Windbg and gdb provide this 
functionality? That's the part I don't understand - debugging support 
exists for D with those tools, does it not? I've not had to use either 
wutg D as I haven't had any projects large enough or problematic enough 
to stump me. I know I've read that variable inspection doesn't function 
in MSVC, but is it broken in Windbg and gdb as well?


 particularly useful with dynamic binding as the code path often can't be sussed
 out simply by eyeballing the code itself.  I'll admit to never having needed
 most of the fancier features (dynamic recompile, back-up and re-execute) but
the
 basics are nice to have.  I agree that it's nothing I can't live without, but
 it's a useful time-saver.  Particularly in collaborative environments where I
 spend a lot of time debugging other people's problems.
Sep 13 2005
parent Derek Parnell <derek psych.ward> writes:
Mike,
I can empathize with you as I too don't feel troubled by the lack of a good
IDE or interactive debugger for D. I manage just fine with out them. It
could be that I grew up without these tools and I've evolved coding
practices that work for me. I started coding using punched cards and a
single compile per day was all we could fit in. So we learned to code
carefully ;-) I've spent most of my professional coding life working on
character terminal-based systems, such as IBM mainframes, VAXes, and
various Unixes. These new-fangled color graphics VDU thingies are great
eye-candy and do enable more information to be displayed, but I still don't
pine for an IDE.

-- 
Derek
(skype: derek.j.parnell)
Melbourne, Australia
14/09/2005 11:33:04 AM
Sep 13 2005
prev sibling parent reply Bruno Medeiros <daiphoenixNO SPAMlycos.com> writes:
Mike Parker wrote:

 Bruno Medeiros wrote:
 

 What exactly do you mean you don't miss any of them when using CE and 
 Build/SCons? I was thinking you didn't miss the other IDE's and their 
 features (! .. which is quite astounding), but then you say you don't 


 
 
 I really don't. There's nothing in any IDE (with the exception of 
 Eclipse and Java) that I have found I can't live without. This includes 
 integrated debugging (I still don't get why so many people get a burr in 
 their feet over D's debugging support).
 


Code completion, integrated debugging, integrated building & error 
reporting, and some others ... you don't find any of these features 
useful? I don't mean to be offensive but I find that quite insane.. or 
maybe you didn't yet work in a serious enough project? These features 
offer much better productivity, so much in fact that I don't find them 
just useful, but rather *essential*.
In fact I'm not programming in D (other than some simple test programs) 
until there's an IDE that supports these basic features with D, even If 
I have to make one myself :P


 use CE because of code refactoring elsewhere (of Eclipse JDT I 
 presume)? And then what does code refactoring have to with "missing 
 the simplicity of Build"?


 
 
 One has nothing to do with the other. What I meant was that if CE 
 supported code refactoring for Java (ala Eclipse) I would use it with 
 Java programming (doing without automated refactoring in Java is a huge 
 thing when you have become used to it, not to mention autocompilation on 
 file save - a big plus for Eclipse over Netbeans). But even if CE did 
 have such a feature I wouldn't be able to use Build to compile my Java 
 programs. Compiling Java from the command line can be a right pain 
 sometimes, and Ant scripts are nowhere near as simple as Build Response 
 Files (though arguably more full featured).
 


"But even if CE did have such a feature I wouldn't be able to use Build 
to compile my Java programs." -> Ok, now I think I understand what you 
said, however I'm not sure if that's true. What's the difference between 
Build and javac that makes Build more simple? I don't think there is any 
significant difference, except that Build has response files, was that it?

-- 
Bruno Medeiros
Computer Science/Engineering student
Sep 13 2005
next sibling parent Mike Parker <aldacron71 yahoo.com> writes:
Bruno Medeiros wrote:


 Code completion, integrated debugging, integrated building & error 
 reporting, and some others ... you don't find any of these features 
 useful? I don't mean to be offensive but I find that quite insane.. or 
 maybe you didn't yet work in a serious enough project? These features 
 offer much better productivity, so much in fact that I don't find them 
 just useful, but rather *essential*.


I agree that they are useful, but I just don't find them essential. I've 
never worked on a large C or C++ project, so I can imagine how 
integrated debugging would be useful there. But I have worked on large 
J2EE projects with Eclipse and I'll tell you, I really can live without 
code completion and all the other fancy schmancy stuff. Like I said, the 
only feature I'm really hooked on is the automated refactoring. And the 
compile-on-save is something I miss in other IDEs.



 In fact I'm not programming in D (other than some simple test programs) 
 until there's an IDE that supports these basic features with D, even If 
 I have to make one myself :P


You and I are just different creatures, because I find this insane. IDEs 
are not amongst the criteria for language selection in my book.
Sep 13 2005
prev sibling parent reply Jussi Jumppanen <Jussi_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <dg73t4$1p6b$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Bruno Medeiros says...


 Code completion, integrated debugging, integrated building & error 
 reporting, and some others ... 
 ...
 In fact I'm not programming in D (other than some simple test programs) 
 until there's an IDE that supports these basic features with D, even 
 if I have to make one myself :P


Apart from the integrated debugging option the Zeus editor/ide can 
already do all of this and more:

http://www.zeusedit.com/features.html

Zeus comes pre-configured with syntax highlighting and code folding 
for the D language, but some additional tweaking is still required.

For example some compiler/linker/make setup is required:

http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33

and if you have access to the header files it is possible to 
configure intellisensing for almost set of libraries:

http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=185

Note: Zeus is shareware (45 day trial).

Jussi Jumppanen
Author: Zeus for Windows
Sep 13 2005
parent Bruno Medeiros <daiphoenixNO SPAMlycos.com> writes:
Jussi Jumppanen wrote:

 In article <dg73t4$1p6b$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Bruno Medeiros says...
 
 

Code completion, integrated debugging, integrated building & error 
reporting, and some others ... 
...
In fact I'm not programming in D (other than some simple test programs) 
until there's an IDE that supports these basic features with D, even 
if I have to make one myself :P


 
 
 Apart from the integrated debugging option the Zeus editor/ide can 
 already do all of this and more:
 
 http://www.zeusedit.com/features.html
 
 Zeus comes pre-configured with syntax highlighting and code folding 
 for the D language, but some additional tweaking is still required.
 
 For example some compiler/linker/make setup is required:
 
 http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33
 
 and if you have access to the header files it is possible to 
 configure intellisensing for almost set of libraries:
 
 http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=185
 
 Note: Zeus is shareware (45 day trial).
 
 Jussi Jumppanen
 Author: Zeus for Windows


Yes I had tried Zeus a bit, but (among other things) the code completion 
feature isn't "fully-featured", it only completes names between "." and 
"->" boundaries (i.e. scope boundaries), and not when you write just 
part of the name and want do see completions that match the beggining of 
the name.


-- 
Bruno Medeiros
Computer Science/Engineering student
Sep 16 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent clayasaurus <clayasaurus gmail.com> writes:
Rain Dog wrote:

 I'm looking for a page or website that perhaps has a listing of things to make
D
 development easier.
 
 I've heard of an app called DIDE, that I cannot find a link to on google.
 I've heard of a D Eclipse plugin that i cannot find on the eclipse site or
 google.
 I've heard of gool and DUI, but only found the SVN hosted code.
 
 I thought I found a link on how to convert from c++ to D the easy way, but
can't
 find it anymore.
 
 I'm looking for perhaps a page that includes D libraries, links to IDE's, links
 to D Based projects, etc.
 
 I'd like to look into converting an existing project from C++ to D, D seems to
 have the answers to a lot of problems I've had during development but I don't
 quite have the time to be doing command line everything and text editing in
 notepad.
 
 Any help is appreciated.
 
 


Pleanty of good links here to get you started ... 
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/dlinks.html
Sep 12 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent John Demme <me teqdruid.com> writes:
dsource.org

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:27:05 +0000, Rain Dog wrote:


 I'm looking for a page or website that perhaps has a listing of things to make
D
 development easier.
 
 I've heard of an app called DIDE, that I cannot find a link to on google.
 I've heard of a D Eclipse plugin that i cannot find on the eclipse site or
 google.
 I've heard of gool and DUI, but only found the SVN hosted code.
 
 I thought I found a link on how to convert from c++ to D the easy way, but
can't
 find it anymore.
 
 I'm looking for perhaps a page that includes D libraries, links to IDE's, links
 to D Based projects, etc.
 
 I'd like to look into converting an existing project from C++ to D, D seems to
 have the answers to a lot of problems I've had during development but I don't
 quite have the time to be doing command line everything and text editing in
 notepad.
 
 Any help is appreciated.
Sep 12 2005
prev sibling parent clayasaurus <clayasaurus gmail.com> writes:
My first post wasn't very helpful, so I'll try again : )

Rain Dog wrote:

 I'm looking for a page or website that perhaps has a listing of things to make
D
 development easier.
 
 I've heard of an app called DIDE, that I cannot find a link to on google.
 I've heard of a D Eclipse plugin that i cannot find on the eclipse site or
 google.
 I've heard of gool and DUI, but only found the SVN hosted code.


I recommend you check out elephant IDE
http://www.thecodebase.com/index.html


 
 I thought I found a link on how to convert from c++ to D the easy way, but
can't
 find it anymore.
 


Here's a C to D conversion guide...
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/htomodule.html


 I'm looking for perhaps a page that includes D libraries, links to IDE's, links
 to D Based projects, etc.
 
 I'd like to look into converting an existing project from C++ to D, D seems to
 have the answers to a lot of problems I've had during development but I don't
 quite have the time to be doing command line everything and text editing in
 notepad.
 
 Any help is appreciated.
Sep 12 2005